Police investigate claim Polish man held daughter captive 6 years, fathered her 2 children By RYAN LUCAS September 9, 2008
GRODZISK, Poland (AP) _ Police investigating claims that a Polish man imprisoned and raped his daughter were seeking DNA samples Tuesday from the two children she says he fathered.
The 21-year-old woman told police she was held captive for six years and forced to give the two boys up for adoption. Police were trying to find them to determine if the accused man is their father.
The allegations bear a striking similarity to the case of Austrian Josef Fritzl, accused of holding his daughter in a cellar for 24 years, repeatedly sexually abusing her and fathering her seven children.
The case in Poland involves a 45-year-old man identified only as Krzysztof B., in keeping with Polish privacy laws. Police detained him on Friday in the eastern city of Siedlce after his wife and daughter came forward with the allegations. The police believe he was trying to flee Poland.
"We have the hospital records of the children, and we will try to find them and carry out DNA tests" to determine their paternity, national police spokesman Mariusz Sokolowski told The Associated Press on Tuesday.
The woman told police that her father raped her repeatedly while keeping her captive in a room with no door handles. Krzysztof B.'s wife, identified only as Teresa B., corroborated the account, police said.
In an interview with private TVN24, the victim's mother was quoted as saying she was aware of what was happening with her daughter, but did not go to police for fear her husband would make good on threats to kill her.
The case has been handed over to prosecutors who are now conducting the investigation, regional police spokesman Jacek Dobrzynski said, adding that police want to move the family members from their tiny, wooden home in this eastern Polish village to protect their privacy.
The man was being investigated on several counts of sexual assault of a minor, incest and armed assault, said prosecutor Miroslaw Zoch in Siemiatycze. He cautioned, however, that it is "too early" to say whether the man fathered the two boys.
"We must first verify the evidence gathered by the police," he said.
Adam Kozub, a spokesman for the investigating prosecutors, said they have questioned the man and his brother, who is also a suspect in the case. He refused to give any detail.
"It is a very disturbing story, but also a very delicate one because the victim is further suffering from the huge interest in her story," Kozub said.
Sokolowski said the woman did have contact — albeit limited — with the outside world, including visits to hospitals to give birth to her sons, unlike Fritzl's captives, who officials said were locked in an underground cell.
He said the first boy was born in February 2005 in the southwestern city of Wroclaw, near where the family lived until about three years ago, and the second in January 2007 in the northeastern area of Siemiatycze, near where the family now lives. Police say the daughter told them she was accompanied by her father, who then forced her to give the children up for adoption.
"The main problem was the extreme psychological pressure she was under, the intimidation, " Sokolowski said. "We are also looking for people who might have known about the situation."
Robert Maksimiuk, director of the Siemiatycze hospital, told the AP that doctors there recalled the 2007 birth, but had no indication that anything was wrong.
"The mother and the child were fine after the birth," Maksimiuk said in a telephone interview from the hospital. He added that both parents of the woman giving birth were with her.
A few days after birth, the woman wrote to a family court in nearby Bielsk Podlaski, asking that the child be put up for adoption and saying she had no means to raise it, Maksimiuk said.
"A doctor talked to her to persuade her to take the child home, but to no avail," Maksimiuk said. The woman was discharged from the hospital on Jan. 15, he said.
Police say the woman told them she was acting under pressure from her father and the hospital director said she had told the obstetricians that her first baby died in its first week of a heart disorder.
Krzysztof B. is being held pending the outcome of the investigation.
New details emerge in Polish village incest case DPA 9/9/08
Warsaw - New details emerged on Tuesday in an incest case which has shocked Poland. A 45-year-old man, who was arrested on Monday, has been charged with repeatedly raping his daughter over a period of six years, and with imprisoning her during that time.
Details of the charges emerged which appeared to temper the original reporting of the case after national media had labelled the man as the "Polish Josef Fritzl," referring to the Austrian incest case which came to light in April.
Media reports Monday had suggested the woman - identified only as Alice as her last name was withheld in accordance to Polish law - was held captive for six years until she reported the abuse last week.
But a regional prosecutor said on Tuesday that she had not been confined continuously for six years, but once for over a week and a second time for two weeks, reported TVP Info.
Police said Alice, aged 21, also gave birth to two boys in 2005 and 2007 that were likely the result of rape, and who were immediately given up for adoption. The man first allegedly raped his daughter when she was 14, prosecutors said.
Police investigating the case in Siemiatycze, near the Belarus border, launched their search after the woman came in with her mother a week ago to make a report. They said the father tried to flee abroad, possibly to Italy, before he was apprehended.
The mother said she did not come forward earlier because the man threatened to kill them both if the secret came out. She told Polish TV she was driven to seek help because "it was simply too much. My daughter couldn't take it psychologically. "
"I noticed something wasn't right when my daughter began growing up," the mother told the daily Wyborcza. "He touched her where he shouldn't have. And when I wanted to talk to him about it, he said, 'I have a right to her!' As if she was his object."
The daughter said music and books from a local library helped her live through the ordeal.
The father never allowed them to work, she told the daily, but now she wants to stay in the village, find a job and begin a new life when the affair quiets down.
"I wonder how he feels now," Alice told Wyborcza. "Always when I ran away, when I wandered, he came to me and said, 'I won.' And now I won. May he rot in that slammer," she said.
Police investigate claim Polish man held daughter captive 6 years, fathered her 2 children
A response from Donald Tusk on this claim:
Prime Minister Donald Tusk called the situation a "tragedy" and said he would push for a law to require incorrigible pedophiles to be chemically castrated.
"I would like Poland to introduce chemical castration not on request but as an element of the court sentence," Tusk told a news conference.
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This case is repulsive.
If these allegations are proven to be true, hopefully he won't try to plead insanity. I suppose that technically he is a pedophile, however he specifically targeted his own daughter, clearly believing that he had a right to do so. I found the mother's statement about his rights to his own daughter to be chilling:
"I noticed something wasn't right when my daughter began growing up," the mother told the daily Wyborcza. "He touched her where he shouldn't have. And when I wanted to talk to him about it, he said, 'I have a right to her!' As if she was his object."
If this case is proven to be true, the mother should be charged as an accessory to rape. As for "Kryzstof B.", perhaps the proposed punishment is too lenient. Maybe an "eye for an eye" punishment should be considered. Here's a thought:
1) Gather up some big, burly guys who have been in solitary confinement for a while 2) Take the group and Krzysztof B to the group showers 3) Hand Krysztof B a very slippery bar of soap 4) Repeat daily for six years
The man in Poland that raped his daughter, is very sick, and needs help. But this goes on all over the world, and sometimes, more so, in parts here, with people of color.
The man in Poland that raped his daughter, is very sick, and needs help. But this goes on all over the world, and sometimes, more so, in parts here, with people of color.
Mike
Crimes such as these know no boundaries of race/age/nationality/etc...
A ticket insepctor caught a boy who didn`t have a bus ticket, threw a bottle at the bus and used threats (allegedly). The boy was sprinkled with tear gas and tied till the police came.
Mother and news reporters call the inspector a sadist. Strange....
Boys will be boys, but some get out of hand, could be the parents don't do there job at home. Mike
Mostly parents` fault, on most occasions.
There could also be other contributing factors. Good children with good parents can suffer from psychological conditions such as Intermittent Explosive Disorder, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, and Oppositional Defiant Disorder that cause them to behave in inappropriate ways. Sadly, these children are often labeled as "bad kids" or "spoiled brats" or worse by society when they are the ones who need extra understanding and support.
Sometimes we look for a reason, when we, parents don't try and do our part, or in some cases, even care, and leave it to a school or a doctor, or anyone, when we are cause.
3 junior high school students were detained after they had paid a false note/bill in their school`s store. The police found more false banknotes in their house, together with fake documents such as car registration papers. The printer was confiscated too.
A worker at a bakery jumped into dough container, spread dough on his body, ran all over the premises with it and behaved like crazy. Later they made bread out of it. The incident happened a few months ago, but the secretly recorded film has surfaced on Youtube recently.
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Re: Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap « Reply #45 on Oct 5, 2008, 3:34pm »
A Norwegian tourist caused an evacution of 200 guests from one of Krakow`s hotels. He acitvated 3 extinguishers and to top it, started the fire prevention system, flooding 3 storeys in the building. The fire brigade arrived in 3 engines. The tourists caused damage and costs estimated at 100.000 zlotys (40.000$). He explained that he had done it out of positive sentiment he cherishes for fire prevention, as he used to be a fire fighter once.
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Re: Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap « Reply #47 on Oct 31, 2008, 1:07pm »
Thieves
The police and city guards have announced the action called Hyena 2008. Thieves of grave flowers and lanterns had better beware. See the detention of two women who were stealing decorations from graves. http://www.tvn24.pl/12690,1570985,,,wpad....,wiadomosc.html
A gang of car thieves and stolen parts sellers was targeted by the police.
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Re: Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap « Reply #49 on Nov 6, 2008, 8:39pm »
NYC man charged in kielbasa theft in Scranton Scranton Times-Tribune Friday, October 31
SCRANTON — A New York City man was arrested after he tried to steal kielbasa from Gerrity's Supermarket at 320 Meadow Ave. on Wednesday night, police said.
Damian Joyner, 38, was charged with retail theft, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest for attempting to shoplift a $3.99 piece of kielbasa and eluding authorities, police said.
Mr. Joyner had allegedly tried to escape by running down the produce aisle, knocking a scale onto a police officer, before trying to flee through an empty checkout lane, where he was stopped.
Mr. Joyner is at Lackawanna County Prison in lieu of $10,000 cash bail.
...A New York City man was arrested after he tried to steal kielbasa from Gerrity's Supermarket at 320 Meadow Ave. on Wednesdaynight, police said.
Damian Joyner, 38, was charged with retail theft, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest for attempting to shoplift a $3.99 piece of kielbasa and eluding authorities, police said.
Wow - that must have been some really good kielbasa to go through all that for it!
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Re: Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap « Reply #52 on Nov 25, 2008, 12:04am »
Brutal morons are roaming the streets of Gorzów...
Three teenagers, high school students, were spotted by surveillance camera operator at night. Completely drunk, they were beating an accidental passer-by. Got detained seconds after the incident. Explained their aggression by a "wrong reply" they got from the man.
My God, Empires are born and fall, systems are invented and dropped, but human stupidity is eternal.
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Re: Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap « Reply #54 on Dec 21, 2008, 3:42pm »
Author of the infamous novel Amok was sentenced with 25 years in prison on Thursday by the Wroclaw Regional Courts in south-western Poland for the murder of his wife.
Krystian B., author and now prisoner, wrote about the killing of `someone's dear wife,' in such vivid detail in his novel that, actually, it turned out that he was the perpetrator of the crime after police noticed similarities to the crime described in such great detail.
The leading public prosecutor in the case, Wieslaw Rodziewicz, says that the murder in reality is so similar to the case in the book – wi th all 14 clues laying out in logical order the evidence that led to the conviction of the author.
According to the court reports, B. Was not able to provide a concrete alibi for what he was doing between the 13 and 17 November 2000, when the murder of his wife occurred. Before admitting guilt, the perpetrator did admonish the crime, saying that he "feels bad." Doctors were not able to determine any mental health problems.
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Re: Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap « Reply #55 on Jan 10, 2009, 10:49pm »
The situation isn`t bad.
Murder rate low in Poland thenews.pl 06.01.2009
One person per 100,000 is murdered in Poland, one of the lowest figures in Europe, according to a new United Nations report surveying 200 countries around the world.
Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia have the worst crime rates in the EU - in Lithuania 8.3 in 100,000 are the victims of homicide.
The figures are part of United Nation's annual crime trends survey by the Office on Drugs and Crime and based on 2006 statistics.
According to Polish police, the break up of large organised crime groups several years ago has led to an overall decrease in crime.
Police spokesman Mariusz Sokolowski says the cause of many crimes in Poland is alcohol related.
"Currently the majority of homicides take place when people drink alcohol together and later on engage in arguments, which can lead to homicide," he explains.
According to police data, robberies, sexual motives and gang warfare constitute only 10 percent of all homicides in Poland.
An illegal dog breeding center was raided by the police near Warsaw. About 100 starving, emaciated, flea-ridden and sick dogs were freed from cages stored outside the house in freezing cold temperatures. Vets say some of them won`t survive the horror. The owner will be prosecuted for brutal abuse of animals and preparing fake certificates for them.
Some dogs were so weak they were unable to walk on their own.
The guy faces two years. Only? I am not fond of dogs but animal abuse is animal abuse.
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Re: Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap « Reply #59 on Jan 25, 2009, 10:35am »
Polish Justice Minister Quits Over Kidnap Prisoners' Deaths Tuesday January 20th, 2009
WARSAW (AFP)--Poland' s Justice Minister Zbigniew Cwiakalski quit Tuesday amid controversy over the deaths of three prisoners convicted in the same high-profile kidnapping and murder case. Cwiakalski told reporters that Prime Minister Donald Tusk had accepted his resignation.
He had been under pressure amid claims the authorities failed to take seriously the risk that the three prisoners might be driven to suicide as part of alleged attempts to protect the unidentified mastermind of the kidnapping.
Cwiakalski said he was stepping down to calm the "political and media hysteria" after convicted killer Robert Pazik was found Monday hanged in his cell in the central Polish city of Plock.
But he rejected suggestions of any outside involvement in the deaths of Pazik or the other two men, who were found hanged in 2007 and 2008.
The lawyer for the family of kidnap and murder victim Krzysztof Olewnik nonetheless questioned Pazik's death.
"We need to consider whether we are really dealing with a suicide here or, as the victim's father believes, that someone really wants to cover up the truth," Bogdan Borkowski said.
Pazik was serving a life sentence for murdering Olewnik, the son of Plock food industry magnate Wlodzimierz Olewnik.
Olewnik, 25, was kidnapped in 2001 and although his family paid a EUR300,000 ransom in 2003, he wasn't released. His body, which showed signs of torture, was only discovered in 2006.
Although 10 people were sentenced for their role in the case, most of whom already had records for gang crimes, those who ordered the kidnapping were never identified.
Then in June 2007, five months before Tusk's liberal government took office, Wojciech Franiewski, one of only three people implicated in the actual murder, was found hanging in his cell. His right-hand man Slawomir Kosciuk died in April 2008.
Their deaths had left Pazik as the only person involved in the actual murder still alive.
There has been widespread speculation that the unidentified masterminds of the kidnapping might have sought to protect themselves by driving the three men to suicide.
President Lech Kaczynski Tuesday described the affair as "an unbelievable scandal."
Kaczynski, who is close to the conservative opposition, which was in government when Franiewski died, said: "Do I believe in a third suicide? No I don't."
Opposition deputies have called for a parliamentary investigation into the handling of both Olewnik's kidnapping and murder, and the prison deaths.
Questions have also been raised about the way investigators dealt with the Olewnik case, with Olewnik's family accusing the police and prosecutors of having botched it from the outset.
Three police officers and a prosecutor involved in the investigation are facing disciplinary action.
Murderers
They got life sentences and all committed suicide in prisons.
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