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Post by tufta on Sept 18, 2010 16:34:40 GMT 1
European labour from Turkey and Morocco. They did not integrate and assimilate, and now we have segregation, and several nations in one nation. Pieter, at least from that problem Poland will surely be spared. But not because our politicians are wise, they are as short sighted (most of them) as anywhere. |
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Post by pjotr on Sept 18, 2010 21:13:15 GMT 1
Yes, you are right, the political came is the same everywhere. Poland has a stronger United identity than the Netherlands with it's heritage of the Republic of the Seven United Netherlands ( pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republika_Zjednoczonych_Prowincji ), and the Roman Catholic South and Protestant North (with it's Catholic enclaves). Secularists (atheists, Humanists and Agnostic people), Christians and Muslims today. |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 18, 2010 22:37:41 GMT 1
I wish the feeling was mutual. I know Poland due to my mixed origin, but many Dutch people know very little about Poland. That ispartly due to the Iron curtain which seperated Western-Europe and Central-Europe for so long, but also due to our education system which teaches Dutch history and it's relationship with direct neighbours, and less about countries and people behind our Eastern neighbours Eastern borders. Ofcourse pupils learn that the second world war started in Poland. But how many of them will remember this later on? The Communist years are behind us and without dissidents, Solidarnosc and the Communist opression of the Peoples Republic there is probably less news about Poland. Pieter Peter, during our summer travels around Poland we always meet a lot of foreigners "on the trail." I must say that after Germans (who dominate in Western areas), Dutch tourists are the most numerous visitors. They even come by such vehicles:  And they are always excellent neighbours on camping sites. I would advice you to focus on Slav immigration of Slavs of other Slav nations to Poland and to Polonise them. and DON'T follow what our stupid Western-European Governments (Dutch), politicians, employers and Unions did, import non (Western-) European labour from Turkey and Morocco. They did not integrate and assimilate, and now we have segregation, and several nations in one nation. Peter, I won`t be worried if new immigrants to Poland are Turkish or Moroccans. It is really not a problem. Polish culture is so attractive that the integration will go smoothly like on butter. Let`s remember that the integration doesn`t really take place for the original immigrants. It is next generations, their children and grandchildren who have real means and are willing to join the society they live in. And show me a child who doesn`t want to see the carp swimming gracefully in their bathtub at Christmas time?  I am sure that adopting Polish style of life will not be a problem for those future generations of future immigrants. |
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Post by pjotr on Sept 19, 2010 0:21:37 GMT 1
Bonobo,
The Dutch are relaxed when they leave their stressed Dutch lives in the Netherlands for a while for a good vacation in a nice country. First Poland is less densly populated as the Netherlands, secondly I hear from Dutch people that Poles are considered polite and friendly people. Ofcourse like Tufta mentioned the Poles are not all Saints and sweethearts, but their 'social code' you could say is more pleasent as in the Netherlands or some other Western-European countries.
I hope that the Moroccans and Turks in the Nehterlands in a few generations will be assimilated and integrated in our country, like you said. You have people of that background who have become Dutch people, but the majority stil lives in the ethnic segregation of the Getho of the large city neighbourhoods. The poorer area's. That is a fact I can't deny.
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Post by valpomike on Sept 19, 2010 17:30:24 GMT 1
Tufta,
How much is that in American? Can I start to pack now? Are the rest of you giving also?
Mike
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Post by tufta on Sept 19, 2010 17:38:59 GMT 1
it is exactly equal amount - złoty pięćdziesiąt
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 27, 2010 21:44:51 GMT 1
I hope that the Moroccans and Turks in the Nehterlands in a few generations will be assimilated and integrated in our country, like you said. You have people of that background who have become Dutch people, but the majority stil lives in the ethnic segregation of the Getho of the large city neighbourhoods. The poorer area's. That is a fact I can't deny. Hopefully, due to Poland`s underdevelopment, it isn`t so easy to create ghettos inhabitted only by immigrants here. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 19, 2011 22:04:43 GMT 1
Third of Poles don’t want children
14.01.2011 15:22
One third of Poles do not plan to have any children at all, shows a report by the Labour Ministry.
The reason why so many Poles decide not to have children are connected to low salaries and unstable labour market, a lack of help from the state and lack of help from a partner in bringing up children and sharing domestic duties.
The report shows that man spend twice less time with children than women (223 minutes a week compared to 403 minutes).
According to the Central Statistical Office, population growth in Poland has been slowing down year by year since 1984. Between 2003 and 2005 more people died in Poland than were born.
Recently the birth rate in Poland increased owing to baby boom generation setting up families. It is estimated that by 2030 the number of Poles will decrease by two million, which will dramatically impair the pension system.
Poland has one of the lowest birth rates in the EU.
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Post by valpomike on Jan 20, 2011 0:24:28 GMT 1
I would be glad to move to Poland, if some of you will help, and I can help the birth rate go up, with all the great Polish Women.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 31, 2011 18:56:45 GMT 1
When law is observed, common sense often suffers. With such an attitude as below, we can kiss goodbye to acquiring honest immigrants like this Mongolian family. Mongolian family faces deportation
31.01.2011 12:27
Khash-Erdene Batdavaa, who graduated from AGH in the presence of Border Guards last week. Photo: TVP
The fate of a Mongolian family which has been resident in Poland’s southern city of Krakow for eleven years will be decided upon by a court, Monday.
Four out of five members of the Batdavaa family are currently awaiting a court hearing in Przemysl, south-east Poland, after having been arrested by the Border Guard and taken to a deportation centre there.
A petition has been written in defence of the family, which has lived in Poland since 2000, with the youngest member born in Krakow soon after the family’s arrival. It is reported that the family is well-known in the district in which they live, and that they have never had any run-ins with the law.
Graduation ceremony
The eldest of the three children, Khash-Erdene, made headlines last week when he defended his engineering thesis at Krakow’s University of Science and Technology (AGH) in the escort of Border Guard functionaries.
Khash’s brother, Oyun-Od, completed his schooling last year and is currently a first-year student at AGH. He is so far the only member of the family that has not been taken into custody by the Border Guard.
Illegal immigrants?
Even though the Mongolian family has lived in Krakow since 2000, they have yet to file for their right to remain in Poland.
The order to move the family to the refugee centre in Przemysl was given by the Provincial Governor of the Malopolska region, Stanislaw Kracik, at the beginning of the year. They now face deportation to Mongolia.
The Citizens Ombudsman, Irena Lipowicz and the Childs’ Ombudsman Marek Michalak are looking into the case, while local MEP, Boguslaw Sonik is standing in defence of the family.
Furthermore, at the defence of his engineering thesis last week, Khash also thanked for the support shown to him by the student community, which turned out in force bearing banners calling for authorities to grant Polish citizenship to the family.
According to the Provincial Governor’s Office, the Mongolian family was offered legal assistance in how to obtain permits for the right to remain in Poland.
Even though the family members were issued temporary visas while their residency status was ascertained, these ran out, leading the way for the Governor’s decision to send the family to a deportation centre. The decision has thus far been upheld by the Office for Foreigners and the courts.  Today the court ruled they are illegal and must leave. Sons of the bitch! COMMENTS
Pat the Postman
31/01/2011 13:17:56
I saw these people on TV. They seem like very honest and hardworking people with a great attitude about Poland.
These are the types of immigrants that Poland should welcome not turn away.
It would be a real shame to see them deported.
Mcdunderhead
31/01/2011 13:31:27
They screwed up the red tape...they didn’t get their papers in in time...what do they want...someone to gold their hand while they fill out the forms...?
But let them stay anyway...
Nick Knight
31/01/2011 14:14:04
You have to have one system. These are illegal aliens. All the stories of illegals are sad (that is the reality of life). If you let them stay, others would rightly want the same. Poland then will be over run, as is much of Europe. Poland needs to control its border.
EWR
31/01/2011 14:35:36
I find this fascinating, and wonder what the Polish government would do if foreign governments deported all the illegal Poles in their countries.
The bureaucracy in Poland is such that it can take years to process an application for a residency permit of a mere 1 year stay. One can have children who are Polish citizens, and still get deported or denied a residency permit (if all their various stipulations aren't quite met).This applies to US, Australian and Canadian citizens as well. So there is no discrimination at least.
Common Sense
31/01/2011 14:53:40
Sorry, but in the 10 years they have lived there, they didnt have the time to file for legal stay here?
No thanks on keeping them, we already see what open boarders are doing to Germany, France and UK. Ship em out!
Antifa
31/01/2011 15:08:33
-McDunderhead
Given the way you write, I'd love to see you fill out a form without help in any language.
Knick night
31/01/2011 17:09:02
The usual hypocrisy from the so-called 'Christian Nation' of Poland. They expect to have the red carpet rolled out for them when they show up anywhere in the world to steal jobs and/or go on the dole, but if a person with dark skin shows up wanting to contribute their skills to the Polish economy, you get idiots like those above saying that they should be thrown out.
Matthias
31/01/2011 17:38:32
'The eldest of the three children, Khash-Erdene, made headlines last week when he defended his engineering thesis at Krakow’s University of Science and Technology (AGH) in the escort of Border Guard functionaries.'
Keep the guy, Poland. Maybe he can help you figure out how to finally make a train run on time.
More Common Sense
31/01/2011 17:40:26
'I saw these people on TV. They seem like very honest and hardworking people with a great attitude about Poland.'
You're right, Pat. Sadly, honest and hardworking people would probably be happier someplace else besides Poland.
Tomek
31/01/2011 18:40:25
Living in United States, I have heard most of my family and family's friends be disgusted by some of the deportation cases happening here, where there is a real illegal immigration problem. How can Poland turn these people away after 10 years. Poland should help immigrants and should encourage more to come, to such a great nation. We have always been a tolerant nation and should strive to be a beacon of hope for the less fortunate. And lets face it, us Poles have benefited greatly from other countries relaxed immigration laws. And I don't think we will be over run, like much of Europe, where are you getting your facts? |
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 3, 2011 9:46:27 GMT 1
Here is an example to follow:
President Bronisław Komorowski has granted Polish citizenship to Vietnamese human rights campaigner Ton Van Anh.
The activist had faced deportation back to Vietnam. Appeals to let her remain in Poland had been mounted by former Polish Solidarity members, including Adam Michnik, Władysław Bartoszewski, Jerzy Hausner and Andrzej Seweryn.
In their petition to the Polish President they argued that the Vietnamese woman could be sent to an interment camp in her home country.
Ton Van Anh, who since 2006 is involved with the La Strada organisation against white slavery, is a graduate of Warsaw University and has spent the last 18 years in Poland. Since her stay was legal, she was subject for naturalization.
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 20, 2011 14:48:08 GMT 1
Urban baby boom overtaking traditional rural families?
15.03.2011 13:19
In Poland, the decision to have a child is no longer based upon tradition but financial resources and employment, a new report finds.
According to the Central Statistical Office, more babies are being born in urban areas than in rural ones – with the traditional family model of many children in the countryside disappearing.
A woman residing in a rural area still gives birth to more children than an urban-dwelling female, but this is quickly changing. Future parents are running away to the city to earn more money and in search of a better quality of life. In 2002, 41,300 more children were born in cities than in the countryside, and in 2009 that number increased to 75,500.
The lowest birth rates are reported in poor eastern regions such as Podlasie and Lublin, while the highest is in the richer central and western regions of Pomerania (+0.39), Mazovia (+0.33) and Greater Poland (+0.28).
“Poles in their thirties usually migrate to large cities and set up a family there,” says sociologist Ryszard Cichocki from the Adam Mickiewicz University in Poznan, adding that it is a European tendency which has been adopted in Poland with a slight delay.
Since 2006, Poland has a positive birth rate but future prognoses are not optimistic. According to the Central Statistical Office, by 2035, the number of Poles, which now stands at 38 million, will decrease by 2 million.
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Post by valpomike on Mar 20, 2011 19:05:02 GMT 1
I would help, if some one will pay my way, and set me up.
Mike
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