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Post by valpomike on Jan 23, 2011 2:17:17 GMT 1
If the investigations into the plane crash that killed all the Polish leaders is over, why does, the Polish T.V. station out of Chicago, still show a investigation going on? Is ther more to this story, that we don't know? Why is it not in the American press, or T.V. news? Is some one covering things up again?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 23, 2011 21:59:24 GMT 1
If the investigations into the plane crash that killed all the Polish leaders is over, why does, the Polish T.V. station out of Chicago, still show a investigation going on? Is ther more to this story, that we don't know? Why is it not in the American press, or T.V. news? Is some one covering things up again? Mike Simply speaking: Russians published a report about the crash in which the Polish pilots were fully blamed for the crash. Russian minor shortcomings connected with the airport`s primitive equipment or chaotic controllers` work were hushed down. That is why some morons in Poland, especially the ones from the opposition party, are trying to win a few votes by furious attacks on the government (implying treason) and Russians (implying assassination). I hope their present idiotic attitude will backfire in the October elections. |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 24, 2011 1:57:16 GMT 1
Could be some one knows something you don't, don't be clossed minded. Could be.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 24, 2011 22:49:58 GMT 1
Could be some one knows something you don't, don't be clossed minded. Could be. Mike I don`t think those morons from the Polish anti0-government opposition who insist on assassination know more than I do. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Don`t forget, they are "stunned." |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 25, 2011 19:28:24 GMT 1
We will see, in time, than I can say, I told you so.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 25, 2011 21:21:35 GMT 1
We will see, in time, than I can say, I told you so. Mike I do appreciate your insight and intuition which is really amazing sometimes. However, here your sixth sense fails you, I am afraid. |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 26, 2011 2:34:57 GMT 1
We will see.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 9, 2011 23:28:48 GMT 1
The latest talk with 3 aviation experts. Sorry it is in Polish but I have no time to translate. www.tvn24.pl/-1,1698944,0,1,na-120-metrach-powinnismy-przestac-analizowac-ten-lot,wiadomosc.html The conclusion of the discussion is crushing for Polish pilots - they committed so many mistakes that it had to end so: 1. They didn`t know Russian too well. 2. They lacked professional experience. 3. They used auto pilot while ladning though the rules forbade to do it because the airport wasn`t equpped with proper ILS installation. Finakl commentary: pilots` acting resembled trying to jump the red lights on a busy crossing. |
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Post by valpomike on Apr 10, 2011 1:55:26 GMT 1
Just wait and see, you will see, what I said, it the truth.
The Russians did it, somehow.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 30, 2016 22:45:48 GMT 1
No explosives involved in Smolensk crash: Warsaw court
21.06.2016 15:06
A judge at a Warsaw court said on Tuesday that there are no grounds to claim that the 2010 plane crash which killed 96 people including the then president, was brought down by an explosive device.
"The court has no reason to believe that the Smolensk disaster was caused by an attack using explosives,” judge Paweł Dobosz said on Tuesday during the closing speech in the case of Paweł Bielawny, the former deputy head of the Government Protection Bureau (BOR), which is in charge of VIP security.
Bielawny was found guilty of neglecting his duties in relation to the 2010 crash which killed 96 people, including President Lech Kaczyński.
“BOR properly checked the Tu-154 plane for explosives before the flight on 10 April,” judge Dobosz said.
Earlier in June, Law and Justice leader Jarosław Kaczyński, twin of the late president, said that uncovering the “truth about the Smolensk catastrophe” will help restore "moral order" in Poland.
“Part of this plan; the restoration of dignity, the rebuilding of strength and moral order in our country, must be arriving at the truth about the Smolensk catastrophe, while also commemorating its victims,” Kaczyński said.
The Law and Justice government is holding an investigation into the reasons for the crash, which some in the party suspect was the result of a plot targeting top Polish officials.
Official Polish and Russian military reports were published in recent years on the causes of the tragedy, which happened in dense fog on approach to a military airfield lacking ground identification radar.
The Polish report cited a catalogue of errors on the Polish side, while also pointing to errors made by Russian staff at the control tower of Smolensk Military Airport. Meanwhile, the Russian report placed all the blame on the Poles.
The wreckage of the plane has never been handed over by Russia to Polish authorities.
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 16, 2016 16:14:20 GMT 1
PiS members and supporters believe that the air crash was caused by a bomb. They have been looking for evidence since the event. Now they are planning to exhume bodies to look for traces of explosives. Some families resent the idea.
Lech Kaczyński's body among first to be exhumed: party leader
16.10.2016 10:18
The body of President Lech Kaczyński, who died in the Smolensk presidential plane crash in 2010, will be among the first to be exhumed, said his twin brother Jarosław.
The site of the crash in 2010. Photo: Wikimedia CommonsThe site of the crash in 2010. Photo: Wikimedia Commons
Speaking with the Onet website, Jarosław Kaczyński, the head of the governing Law and Justice (PiS) party, was asked whether families should have a say in the decision to exhume.
He said that the decision should be left to the prosecutor's office, and he saw no reason to suspect it should be different in this time round.
“I agree with the decision to exhume [the bodies]. In the case of my brother, some dates have already been discussed. It will be one of the first if not the very first exhumation,” Kaczyński said.
The crash in western Russia ion 10 April 2010 saw the death of 96 people, including many top military and government officials.
The Polish report on the causes of the tragedy, which happened in dense fog on approach to a military airfield lacking ground identification radar, cited a catalogue of errors on the Polish side, while also pointing to errors made by Russian staff at the control tower of the Smolensk military airport. The Russian report placed all the blame on the Poles.
In his interview with Onet, Kaczyński said that the “investigation by the previous government was a scandal, for which many people should face the legal consequences.”
He had earlier suggested that charges could be brought against then-Prime Minister Donald Tusk over his handling of investigation in the aftermath of the crash.
Kaczyński said that: “Following the transfer of the bodies to Poland, the most elementary steps were not taken. Inspection of the bodies, the autopsies. They lied that this was due to sanitary reasons. Meanwhile, all the soldiers who died on foreign missions, had autopsies upon arrival of the body to Poland. What happened after the [Smolensk] crash was one big, gigantic scandal.”
Poland has set up a new commission to investigate the causes of the crash
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Post by jeanne on Oct 18, 2016 21:46:04 GMT 1
PiS members and supporters believe that the air crash was caused by a bomb. They have been looking for evidence since the event. Now they are planning to exhume bodies to look for traces of explosives. Some families resent the idea.
Perhaps Mike will be proven right...: Just wait and see, you will see, what I said, it the truth.
The Russians did it, somehow.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 19, 2016 18:26:05 GMT 1
PiS members and supporters believe that the air crash was caused by a bomb. They have been looking for evidence since the event. Now they are planning to exhume bodies to look for traces of explosives. Some families resent the idea.
Perhaps Mike will be proven right...: Just wait and see, you will see, what I said, it the truth.
The Russians did it, somehow.
Mike
Not really. Only simpletons and some PiS followers (not all, but they prefer not to voice it in public) believe in assassination. Reasonable people realise that PiS preys on the air crash for political reasons, they created sort of "Smolensk religion" the aim of which is to unite voters around PiS and its leader. They saw it has worked, so they keep on exploiting the theme. Let`s be frank, Russians have nothing to do with it. It is a purely Polish case of incredible mess and silly bravado. Present leader of PiS, Jarosław, ordered his brother, President, to land in Smoleńsk at any cost. Simple as that. Their last phone conversation has been kept secret till today but one day it will surface, when Russians get tired of all accusations. But simpletons will never accept the truth, for sure. :)P:)P:) |
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Post by jeanne on Oct 19, 2016 19:55:59 GMT 1
Perhaps Mike will be proven right...: Just wait and see, you will see, what I said, it the truth.
The Russians did it, somehow.
Mike
Not really. Only simpletons and some PiS followers (not all, but they prefer not to voice it in public) believe in assassination. Reasonable people realise that PiS preys on the air crash for political reasons, they created sort of "Smolensk religion" the aim of which is to unite voters around PiS and its leader. They saw it has worked, so they keep on exploiting the theme. Let`s be frank, Russians have nothing to do with it. It is a purely Polish case of incredible mess and silly bravado. Present leader of PiS, Jarosław, ordered his brother, President, to land in Smoleńsk at any cost. Simple as that. Their last phone conversation has been kept secret till today but one day it will surface, when Russians get tired of all accusations. But simpletons will never accept the truth, for sure. :)P:)P:) That may well be, that may well be... |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 12, 2017 20:14:51 GMT 1
Not really. Only simpletons and some PiS followers (not all, but they prefer not to voice it in public) believe in assassination. Reasonable people realise that PiS preys on the air crash for political reasons, they created sort of "Smolensk religion" the aim of which is to unite voters around PiS and its leader. They saw it has worked, so they keep on exploiting the theme. That is why there is more and more objection to AIR CRASH NEW Religion. People are tired of PiS mania about the air crash. Factory boss to be fired after joke about Polish presidential plane crash 11.06.2017 08:00 The head of a copper plant owned by Poland's state-run KGHM is to be fired after a joke at a staff party referring to the fatal 2010 crash of the Polish president’s plane. The PAP news agency reported that Andrzej Szydło, the head of the Huta Miedzi plant in Głogów, southwestern Poland, is to lose his job after the Gazeta Polska Codziennie daily released a picture from the party showing women dressed as stewardesses. The photograph showed them holding a model of a plane with a sign saying "TU POLEWAJ" (“pour here”). The sign was a play on words referring to the presidential Tupolev Tu-154 plane that crashed at the Smolensk military airport in western Russia on 10 April 2010. The crash killed then-President Lech Kaczyński, his wife, and 94 others, many of them top government and military officials. KGHM is one of the world's biggest copper producers. Its head, Radosław Domagalski-Łabędzki, said that "the behavior of some of the participants in the [party] was a violation of fundamental ethical standards in our company... there will be far-reaching consequences for staff.”    Another one Protesters face court after commemorations of Polish plane crash disrupted 11.06.2017 00:08 Police will ask courts to punish several dozen protesters who on Saturday disrupted commemorations in Warsaw of the fatal 2010 crash of the Polish president’s plane, Polish Radio reported. Demonstrators in central Warsaw on Saturday evening. Photo: PAP/Marcin ObaraDemonstrators in central Warsaw on Saturday evening. Photo: PAP/Marcin Obara  Families of the victims of the crash had appealed for calm ahead of the commemorations. But members of the anti-government Obywatele RP group lay down on the road in front of the presidential palace, shouted and insulted families taking part in the commemorations, Polish Radio reported. Police dragged off some of the protesters, and will apply to courts to punish several dozen of them, Polish Radio added. Warsaw police said that Władysław Frasyniuk, an opposition activist during the communist era, faces an accusation of assaulting a police officer while seven other people face accusations of “malicious interference” in a religious ceremony. In a speech in front of the presidential palace on Saturday, Jarosław Kaczyński, the head of Poland’s ruling, conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, referred to recent revelations that body parts of Polish crash victims had been mixed up. “This barbarity unfortunately has its defenders here,” Kaczyński said. "The truth is triumphing... exhumations are showing the immensity of Russian barbarism, but also the immensity of the barbarism of the Polish authorities of that time," said Kaczyński, referring to the previous Civic Platform (PO) government. The 2010 crash killed Kaczyński’s twin brother, then-President Lech Kaczyński, his wife, and 94 others, many of them top government and military officials. A government commission, set up after the Law and Justice party came to power in late 2015, has claimed that the presidential plane was probably brought down by an explosion, and that Russian air traffic controllers deliberately misled Polish pilots about their location as they approached the runway of the Smolensk military airport in western Russia on 10 April 2010. Despite repeated requests from Warsaw, Russia has refused to return the wreckage of the plane to Poland, adding to the anger that many PiS supporters still feel against Moscow seven years after the disaster. (pk) |
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Post by piotr on May 13, 2019 3:48:24 GMT 1
It could well have been an Assassination. Problem is two countries that will not accept any finding if its negative to their country. Like the PIS with the Assassination of PM General Wladyslaw Sikorski in 1943 as he was set upon from the "London Poles" to remove Sikorski in mid 1942, it took months to get the agent / assassin close to him as one of his own with a Different Military Rank and Name. However the discovery of KATYN agitated England and other in the "group" to send the signal to the 'Lizard' to take him out on the 4th of July 1943. The plane was indeed sabotaged and this is explained in detail and backed by world aviation experts recently. Read "To Live Well is to Hide Well" google it or go to their site of www.tolivewellistohidewell.com . Removing important Politicians or PMs requires that it is made as an accident, like the above a simple object pulled down Sikorskis plane within seconds of it taking off and leaving no trace because of what it was. Remember Assassins are not hitmen they do it for Political reasons. |
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