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Club 27
Jul 23, 2011 21:05:09 GMT 1
Post by tufta on Jul 23, 2011 21:05:09 GMT 1
What is it with the age 27 and super talented musicians? Pieter, any ideas? Amy Winehouse died today. At the age 27. LIke Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain... She was no angel, indeed, yet she was so talented...
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Club 27
Jul 23, 2011 21:06:04 GMT 1
Post by tufta on Jul 23, 2011 21:06:04 GMT 1
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Club 27
Jul 23, 2011 21:10:40 GMT 1
Post by Bonobo on Jul 23, 2011 21:10:40 GMT 1
Tufta I read about it and practically don`t feel any emotion of loss. I don`t remember listening to any of her songs which are said to be very good, btw, but after checking out your link, I realised why - it is not my style.
Certainly she was a bad girl. Is it why she became famous?
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Club 27
Jul 23, 2011 21:36:55 GMT 1
Post by Bonobo on Jul 23, 2011 21:36:55 GMT 1
I do feel this strange 'emotion of loss'. I like her music vey much and always felt for her -so unable to fight addictions. So, if I don`t know how to be sorry for her, I am really sorry for you, then.
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Club 27
Jul 23, 2011 22:55:03 GMT 1
Post by valpomike on Jul 23, 2011 22:55:03 GMT 1
This what you get when you live fast, and overdue drugs and drink, and who knows what more.
Mike
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Club 27
Jul 23, 2011 23:24:09 GMT 1
Post by pjotr on Jul 23, 2011 23:24:09 GMT 1
Tufta, I agree with you, I came late home saturday night from visiting a girlfriend who lives at the Dutch North Sea coast near Amsterdam. I turned on my television, which often starts at BBC, because I like to watch the BBC. The topic was the appartment of Winehouse in London where a BBC reporter spoke about her troubled life, and her incredible talent in singing and music. I have her album 'Back to Black', which I like very much. Yes, she died like Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain.. What can I say Tufta, unfortunately I have known and know some troubled and very talented artists, musicians, who were wrestling with alchohol, drugs and mental diseases. Greatness and madness lie close to eachother. Vincent van Gogh cut of his ear and shot himself, many great pop musicians died of drugs overdosis, or a combination of drugs, pills and alchol. I always avoided these parties where the combination of alcohol and cocaine dominated. That probably kept me clean, and probably boring. But I am not dead, addicted or in a clinic right now. Better boring than dead. I never believed in Sex, Drugs and Rock 'n Roll, maybe I only like the first and last one. Cheers, Pieter
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Club 27
Jul 23, 2011 23:25:03 GMT 1
Post by pjotr on Jul 23, 2011 23:25:03 GMT 1
Amy Winehouse found dead, aged 27A Metropolitan Police spokesman confirmed that a 27-year-old woman had died in Camden and that the cause of death was as yet unexplained. The Brit and Grammy award-winner had struggled with drink and drug addiction and had recently spent time in rehab. Her record label Universal called her " a gifted musician, artist and performer", adding: " Our prayers go out to Amy's family, friends and fans." She pulled out of a comeback tour last month after a disastrous appearance at her first gig. Winehouse cancelled the European tour after being jeered at the show in Serbia, when she appeared too drunk to perform. For 90 minutes, she mumbled through parts of songs and at times left the stage - leaving her band to fill in. Sangita Myska BBC News in Camden Dozens of bouquets and candles have been left on the railings at the end of the road where Amy Winehouse lived. Around 70 people, many of them under the age of 18, have gathered here at Camden Square, the place where neighbours say the singer had recently bought a home. Eyewitnesses say two ambulances arrived at the address just after 1600 BST and that police cars arrived shortly afterwards. Well over a dozen police officers are now quietly standing guard outside her home. She had recently finished a course of alcohol rehabilitation in London and at the time was under strict instructions not to drink. A section of the road where the singer lived was cordoned off on Saturday evening, as journalists, local residents and fans gathered at the police tapes. Forensic officers were seen going in and out of the building. In a statement - police spokesman Superintendent Raj Kohli said Winehouse's death was being treated as " unexplained." It had been reported that Winehouse died of a drugs overdose but Superintendent Kohli said " it would be inappropriate to speculate on the cause of death." He added: " My sympathy extends not just to her immediate family but clearly to the thousands and millions of fans across the world." Winehouse won widespread acclaim with her 2003 debut album, Frank - which was nominated for the Mercury prize. But it was 2006's Back to Black which brought her worldwide stardom, winning five Grammy Awards. The record's producer Mark Ronson said in a statement: " She was my musical soulmate and like a sister to me." " This is one of the saddest days of my life." Superintendent Raj Kohl: " I can confirm that the deceased is Amy Winehouse" Hip-hop producer Salaam Remi, who also worked on Winehouse's albums Frank and Back To Black, paid tribute to her on Twitter saying: " Very Very Sad Day. Just lost a Great Friend and a Sister." He added: " RIP my baby SiS Cherry Winehouse. Love ya always." News of her death has also prompted other tributes from other celebrity friends. TV presenter Kelly Osbourne tweeted: " i cant even breath right now im crying so hard i just lost 1 of my best friends. i love you forever Amy & will never forget the real you!" Rolling Stone Ronnie Wood announced he is to dedicate his Saturday night show on Absolute Radio to Winehouse. He said: " It's a very sad loss of a very good friend I spent many great times with". He added a reunion performance by his former group The Faces in Hurtwood, Surrey, would also be dedicated to the singer. BBC Radio 1 DJ Fearne Cotton wrote: " Can not believe the news. Amy was a special girl. The saddest news." Daily Telegraph rock critic Neil McCormick said he was " utterly shocked" at her death. Last appearanceHe said she had appeared focused when giving an "incredible performance" for a recent studio recording of a duet with Tony Bennett. " It's deeply sad. It's the most completely tragic waste of talent that I can remember," he added. Doug Charles-Ridler, co-owner of Winehouse's favourite Camden pub The Hawley Arms, called her " a special person with a good soul," adding, " this should not have happened". Fans have left floral tributes to Winehouse at Camden SquareWinehouse made her last public appearance on Wednesday night when she joined her goddaughter Dionne Bromfield on stage at The Roundhouse in Camden. The singer danced with Bromfield and encouraged the audience to buy her album in the impromptu appearance before leaving the stage. At the time she pulled out of the tour, her spokesman had said everyone wanted to do everything to " help her return to her best".
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Club 27
Jul 23, 2011 23:25:36 GMT 1
Post by pjotr on Jul 23, 2011 23:25:36 GMT 1
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Club 27
Jul 23, 2011 23:32:51 GMT 1
Post by pjotr on Jul 23, 2011 23:32:51 GMT 1
I read about it and practically don`t feel any emotion of loss. I don`t remember listening to any of her songs which are said to be very good, btw. I do feel this strange 'emotion of loss'. I like her music vey much and always felt for her -so unable to fight addictions. Tufta, I share that emotion with you, I had tears in my eyes when I watched the BBC news. I look past the alcohol and drugs and thought about her voice, her songs and her talent in the Soul music she made. Like Dusty Springfield she was a white woman with a black voice, or a special combination of a white and black voice. She is gone, but her music will stay like the music of anis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain stayed. And that is our consolation. Greetings from Arnhem, Pieter
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Club 27
Jul 24, 2011 22:22:55 GMT 1
Post by pjotr on Jul 24, 2011 22:22:55 GMT 1
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Post by uncltim on Jul 25, 2011 5:39:24 GMT 1
As a rule, if your lifestyle makes you look like this,
You should probably reconsider a few things.
(Sorry Pjotr, I was getting kinda bummed out)
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Post by tufta on Jul 25, 2011 8:20:32 GMT 1
I wish not to overwork the issue, especially that Bo already thinks I feel "personal" loss here and feels sorry for me ;D ;D ;D ;D Anyway, she what not an angel and I was not surprised, that quite a lot of people reject her music due to the way she looked or behaved. There're enough singers to suit each taste. Yet, in what and how she sang, she was the first truly 'sincere' female singer of great talent since many decades. That is why her art (and art is all about being sincere and truthful), in some listners goes deep into the soul. I find her talent matched perhaps by Billie Holiday only. Whatever Amy Winehouse's personal life was, how sad and unable to fight her anxiety she was, for which she needed drugs and alcohol, she openly sang about it all, and in the manner which exposes all the corners of humanity in those willing to listen. Most of us were given more tools to fight that inner anxiety, those having faith are the most priviliged. But being weak, frivolous even desperate , does not make one bad. And does not make one deaf and blind to the greatest 'invention', or 'binder' of the world.
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Post by tufta on Jul 25, 2011 8:23:39 GMT 1
Re Uncltim's vid ;D ;D ;D
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Club 27
Jul 25, 2011 15:08:45 GMT 1
Post by pjotr on Jul 25, 2011 15:08:45 GMT 1
As a rule, if your lifestyle makes you look like this, You should probably reconsider a few things. (Sorry Pjotr, I was getting kinda bummed out) Tim, I was just emotional for a short moment and but your video brought some personal memories back from hangovers which I had in my teenage years and student times in my twenties in which time occasionaly I drank to much and got drunk. In Holland we start drinking earlier than in other countries, like the USA. Alcohol and alcoholism is a serious problem in various European countries. In my country they drink to much, but I think in Poland, Belgium, Germany and Denmark too, for instance. I know the devastating affect of alcohol and drugs on people. Because I know the world of Sex and Drugs and Rock 'n Roll, because I know musicians, artists, students, and unfortunately lowlifes like Junks, dealers, pimps and Herion hookers. I live in a small town with the problems which are related to a border and provincial capital. I managed to stay away from it, because I am not attracted to this underworld or downside of society. I lost a very good friend, a very talented painter and musician (incredibly talented, gifted fellow) to alcoholism and drugs. I cut ties, because I could not become part of his world. (as friends you belong to eachoters world, you are in the same environment). So I know a little bit about Amy Winehouses addictions and the content of her songs. Maybe that is part of why I like her songs, because I can relate to this, due to this friend of mine. The only differance was/is that he was and is not famous. Cheers, Pieter
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Club 27
Jul 25, 2011 15:18:22 GMT 1
Post by pjotr on Jul 25, 2011 15:18:22 GMT 1
I wish not to overwork the issue, especially that Bo already thinks I feel "personal" loss here and feels sorry for me ;D ;D ;D ;D Anyway, she what not an angel and I was not surprised, that quite a lot of people reject her music due to the way she looked or behaved. There're enough singers to suit each taste. Yet, in what and how she sang, she was the first truly 'sincere' female singer of great talent since many decades. That is why her art (and art is all about being sincere and truthful), in some listners goes deep into the soul. I find her talent matched perhaps by Billie Holiday only. Whatever Amy Winehouse's personal life was, how sad and unable to fight her anxiety she was, for which she needed drugs and alcohol, she openly sang about it all, and in the manner which exposes all the corners of humanity in those willing to listen. Most of us were given more tools to fight that inner anxiety, those having faith are the most priviliged. But being weak, frivolous even desperate , does not make one bad. And does not make one deaf and blind to the greatest ' invention', or ' binder' of the world. Ofcourse I agree with you! You described it well! We have the same feeling and connection with Amy Winehouse. Billie Holiday had the same drama around her person, but had a completely differant life. I know another white lady singer with a black voice, which I found equally interesting and good as Holiday and Winehouse. Here she is:
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Club 27
Jul 25, 2011 15:50:13 GMT 1
Post by pjotr on Jul 25, 2011 15:50:13 GMT 1
For Tufta!
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Club 27
Jul 25, 2011 19:20:19 GMT 1
Post by tufta on Jul 25, 2011 19:20:19 GMT 1
I know another white lady singer with a black voice, which I found equally interesting and good as Holiday and Winehouse. Nice. Even too nice ;D ;D ;D
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Post by uncltim on Jul 26, 2011 2:28:46 GMT 1
I have known people in my life who were completely obsessed with the idea of self-destruction, most have succeeded. When I first heard the music of Ms. Winehouse I was fascinated with her for awhile. It quickly became obvious how things were going to end up so I avoided falling in love to much. Brilliance and insanity are sisters, I recognised both in her immediately. I wish peace for those who loved her.
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 26, 2011 9:37:43 GMT 1
I have known people in my life who were completely obsessed with the idea of self-destruction, most have succeeded. When I first heard the music of Ms. Winehouse I was fascinated with her for awhile. It quickly became obvious how things were going to end up so I avoided falling in love to much. Brilliance and insanity are sisters, I recognised both in her immediately. I wish peace for those who loved her. Do you mean the message in her songs started getting on your nerves so much that you gave her up even though you liked her music?
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Club 27
Jul 26, 2011 10:27:25 GMT 1
Post by uncltim on Jul 26, 2011 10:27:25 GMT 1
What message was that?
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Club 27
Jul 26, 2011 10:57:03 GMT 1
Post by Bonobo on Jul 26, 2011 10:57:03 GMT 1
She sang about problems, didn`t she? Tufta said it: Whatever Amy Winehouse's personal life was, how sad and unable to fight her anxiety she was, for which she needed drugs and alcohol, she openly sang about it all, and in the manner which exposes all the corners of humanity in those willing to listen.
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Club 27
Jul 26, 2011 23:22:02 GMT 1
Post by uncltim on Jul 26, 2011 23:22:02 GMT 1
Yes she did. We all have problems of some sort don't we? Some are thrust upon us and some we bring upon ourselves. I tend to view Ms. Winehouse as more the later. I am sure that to her these problems were just as real and painful as problems brought about by circumstance. I feel great empathy for her but I struggle to find much sympathy. Some of her music did remind me of bad situations that I was able to leave. I was both lucky and glad to put these things behind me. I wish she could have done the same.
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Club 27
Jul 26, 2011 23:53:11 GMT 1
Post by Bonobo on Jul 26, 2011 23:53:11 GMT 1
Yes she did. We all have problems of some sort don't we? Some are thrust upon us and some we bring upon ourselves. I tend to view Ms. Winehouse as more the later. I am sure that to her these problems were just as real and painful as problems brought about by circumstance. I feel great empathy for her but I struggle to find much sympathy. Some of her music did remind me of bad situations that I was able to leave. I was both lucky and glad to put these things behind me. I wish she could have done the same. Tim, it is very sympathetic what you write.
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Post by pjotr on Jul 30, 2011 3:33:58 GMT 1
Another song from her.
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Jul 30, 2011 13:52:24 GMT 1
Post by uncltim on Jul 30, 2011 13:52:24 GMT 1
I read somewhere that she may have actually died from alcohol withdrawl. Anyone else see something like that?
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Post by pjotr on Aug 1, 2011 18:55:32 GMT 1
Tim, The alcohol withdrawl idea is not such a strange idea. She might have suffered from the Cold Turkey effect. I quote MTV-America: " Winehouse, who famously struggled with drugs and alcohol during her rocket ride to fame in 2006-2007, was drug-free for the past three years, according to statements from her father, Mitch Winehouse. But the 27-year-old star appeared to still be struggling with alcohol, and unnamed family sources told English tabloid The Sun that it might have been Amy's cold-turkey approach to quitting drinking that did her in.
The sources said Winehouse's decision to give up drinking entirely for three weeks might have given a lethal "shock" to her system. "Abstinence gave her body such a fright they thought it was eventually the cause of her death," the source said." www.mtv.com/news/articles/1668182/amy-winehouse-alcohol-withdrawal.jhtmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_turkeyabcnews.go.com/Entertainment/amy-winehouse-family-alcohol-withdrawal-killed/story?id=14181980
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Post by valpomike on Aug 1, 2011 22:28:54 GMT 1
But this could be just a guess, to make her look better. Chances are it was drugs and drink, and who know what more.
Mike
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