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Post by Bonobo on Oct 15, 2008 18:39:32 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 17, 2008 10:48:08 GMT 1
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Post by valpomike on Oct 17, 2008 16:08:20 GMT 1
How do you use the bread and salt, and what does it mean? This is the first I ever heard of this, tell us more, please.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 17, 2008 20:56:30 GMT 1
How do you use the bread and salt, and what does it mean? This is the first I ever heard of this, tell us more, please. Mike
Bread and salt is a Slavic welcome greeting ceremony.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_salt
Known by its local names;
* Russian: Хлеб-соль
* Ukrainian: Хліб-сіль
* Bulgarian: Хляб и сол
* Macedonian: Леб и сол
* Croatian: Kruh i sol
* Serbian: Хлеб и со
* Polish: Chleb i sól
* Czech: Chléb a sůl
* Slovak: Chlieb a soľ
Two non-Slavic nations also have this tradition: Lithuanians (Baltic) and Romanians (Latin), both of them being culturally and historically close to their Slavic neighbours:
Poland
Representatives of Dęblin's Polish Jewish community welcome Marshal Józef Piłsudski with bread and salt after Polish forces have entered Dęblin during the Polish-Soviet War, 1920.
Representatives of Dęblin's Polish Jewish community welcome Marshal Józef Piłsudski with bread and salt after Polish forces have entered Dęblin during the Polish-Soviet War, 1920.
In Poland, welcoming with bread and salt ("chlebem i solą") is often associated with the traditional hospitality ("staropolska gościnność") of the Polish nobility (szlachta), who prided themselves on their hospitality. An 18th-century Polish poet, Wespazjan Kochowski, wrote in 1674: "O good bread, when it is given to guests with salt and good will!" Another poet who mentioned the custom was Wacław Potocki.[1] The custom was, however, not limited to the nobility, as Polish people of all classes observed this tradition, reflected in old Polish proverbs. [2] Nowadays the tradition is mainly observed on wedding days, when newlyweds are greeted with bread and salt by their parents on returning from the church wedding. |
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 17, 2008 21:46:14 GMT 1
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Post by valpomike on Oct 18, 2008 17:47:53 GMT 1
The lady in the first photo in the blue dress, looks very unhappy, why is this?
Did you do, or say something to make her upset?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 20, 2008 20:31:56 GMT 1
The lady in the first photo in the blue dress, looks very unhappy, why is this? Did you do, or say something to make her upset? Mike She looks upset because she is taking care of the party as the groom`s mother. She rented the hall and staff till 3 am and at 2 am the party was still at full swing, to her surprise. Even her 4 year old daughter didn`t want to go to bed, though a room in the hotle had been paid for specially for this occasion. In the photo she is wondering how to tell the guests they have to leave at 3. |
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Post by valpomike on Oct 21, 2008 1:10:26 GMT 1
I.C. than I read it correct.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 22, 2008 20:59:24 GMT 1
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Post by valpomike on Oct 22, 2008 21:14:10 GMT 1
So did she shut it down on time, or pay for extra time, and keep going? When did all leave, and where did they go from there, I sure many not home?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 22, 2008 21:27:08 GMT 1
So did she shut it down on time, or pay for extra time, and keep going? When did all leave, and where did they go from there, I sure many not home? Mike They didn`t pay for extra time. The party finished at 3am. I was disappointed and my wife too. We were having a nice time there. |
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Post by gigi on Oct 22, 2008 22:16:55 GMT 1
 Is there a story behind the subject matter of these swizzle sticks? ;D ;D ;D  Wow, you are pretty good at that!  ;D ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 22, 2008 22:45:22 GMT 1
Is there a story behind the subject matter of these swizzle sticks? [/b] ;D ;D ;D[/quote] Yes, the story is long but exhillirating. Once upon a time there was a kingdom where many children dwelt. They were bored to death because there was no game they didn`t know or play. One day, though, a good fairy came and showed the kids a new game. The Swizzle Sticks Game!!! So, the kids started playing the game and they were never ever bored again.... PS. I don`t know the Polish name of those sticks. Of course it`s not me. I save my backbone for better occasions. |
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Post by gigi on Oct 23, 2008 13:59:55 GMT 1
Is there a story behind the subject matter of these swizzle sticks? [/b] ;D ;D ;D[/quote] Yes, the story is long but exhillirating. Once upon a time there was a kingdom where many children dwelt. They were bored to death because there was no game they didn`t know or play. One day, though, a good fairy came and showed the kids a new game. The Swizzle Sticks Game!!! So, the kids started playing the game and they were never ever bored again....[/quote] Ah yes, the Swizzle Stick Fairy. I know her well from events attended in my own childhood. I think she is related to the Cardboard Box Fairy. But I was wondering about the shapes of the sticks. Not so much the circle and the golf club, but the man and woman. They look fairly anatomically correct, so I thought there might be a reason for that. We only had G-rated swizzle sticks at the events I attended... ;D ;D |
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Post by valpomike on Oct 23, 2008 16:12:26 GMT 1
I have been at weddings where the guest past the hat, and collect money to keep going longer. Is this every done in Poland?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 23, 2008 21:07:40 GMT 1
Ah yes, the Swizzle Stick Fairy. I know her well from events attended in my own childhood. I think she is related to the Cardboard Box Fairy. No, for some time she lived on Muffin Man. Ooops, another puzzle of yours! ;D ;D ;D ;D First I had to check what swizzle sticks mean, now I have looked at them again and saw they are in human shapes. I didn`t pay attention to it at all..... Reason for that...... reason for that...... Sorry, I have no idea.... The only reason is my sons were playing the sticks.... Hmm, do you suggest these pervy body shapes might be harmful to the proper development of my children??? |
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Post by gigi on Oct 23, 2008 21:17:00 GMT 1
Ooops, another puzzle of yours! ;D ;D ;D ;D First I had to check what swizzle sticks mean, now I have looked at them again and saw they are in human shapes. I didn`t pay attention to it at all..... Reason for that...... reason for that...... Sorry, I have no idea.... The only reason is my sons were playing the sticks.... We only had G-rated swizzle sticks at the events I attended... ;D ;D Hmm, do you suggest these pervy body shapes might be harmful to the proper development of my children??? Not at all! I just expected that it might have been a catalyst for some creative play by them. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 23, 2008 21:36:54 GMT 1
Not at all! I just expected that it might have been a catalyst for some creative play by them. ;D ;D ;D Yes, correct. My older one fell in love with a girl he met at the wedding. They danced all the time, till 3 am. |
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Post by valpomike on Oct 23, 2008 22:49:13 GMT 1
Bonobo,
You never answered my question, do people in Poland do like we do here, at times, pass the hat, and pay for more time to party.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 23, 2008 23:03:55 GMT 1
Bonobo, You never answered my question, do people in Poland do like we do here, at times, pass the hat, and pay for more time to party. Mike I am not sure about other parts of Poland but I have attended about two dozen wedding parties in my life and have never seen this custom here. I guess it is rather non-existent. Guests give a lot of cash to the newly weds and it is assumed they needn`t pay more expenses.... |
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Post by gigi on Oct 23, 2008 23:06:25 GMT 1
Yes, correct. My older one fell in love with a girl he met at the wedding. They danced all the time, till 3 am. Uh oh......  Did she try to catch the bouquet too? Is that a wedding tradition in Poland? |
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 24, 2008 11:03:50 GMT 1
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Post by valpomike on Oct 24, 2008 17:19:09 GMT 1
From the photo's this wedding could have taken place here in the U.S.A. Ours was very much like it, but bigger, and a long time ago.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 24, 2008 22:05:37 GMT 1
From the photo's this wedding could have taken place here in the U.S.A. Ours was very much like it, but bigger, and a long time ago. Mike It is obvious, Mike, everything American is bigger than Polish or European... ;D |
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Post by valpomike on Oct 25, 2008 16:28:16 GMT 1
This is not the case, ours was over 39 years ago, and large for than, over 700 served. It cost us a lot of money.
Mike
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Post by gigi on Oct 25, 2008 20:53:15 GMT 1
Next, the groom throws his tie.  I like that tradition.  At most of the weddings I have attended, the groom throws the bride's garter to the bachelors. The bride usually wears the garter above her knee, and the groom is the one to remove it - sometimes in a very flamboyant way. |
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Post by valpomike on Oct 26, 2008 20:31:39 GMT 1
I did not talk of my wedding to put anyone down, I know that in Poland they also have, today, many very large weddings, and some go on for days. I love the ways of Poland, and ours are no better than those of Poland.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 26, 2008 21:49:53 GMT 1
I like that tradition. At most of the weddings I have attended, the groom throws the bride's garter to the bachelors. The bride usually wears the garter above her knee, and the groom is the one to remove it - sometimes in a very flamboyant way. This is too big perversion for Poland. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I did not talk of my wedding to put anyone down, I know that in Poland they also have, today, many very large weddings, and some go on for days. I love the ways of Poland, and ours are no better than those of Poland. Mike OK. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D We don`t feel put down over here. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 15, 2008 23:09:22 GMT 1
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Post by valpomike on Nov 16, 2008 19:04:43 GMT 1
What kind of soup, in the photo, is it, that you don't like?
Where is your son's teacher from?
Mike
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;D ;D
At most of the weddings I have attended, the groom throws the bride's garter to the bachelors. The bride usually wears the garter above her knee, and the groom is the one to remove it - sometimes in a very flamboyant way. 
