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Post by Bonobo on May 13, 2008 21:53:48 GMT 1
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Post by jeanne on May 14, 2008 1:21:32 GMT 1
Built from 1994-2004? So, it's very new...Why was such an impressive basilica built in that particular place? From the picture with the surrounding countryside visible, it doesn't look like it's in a big city? Is there some significance to the site?
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Post by jkustelski on May 14, 2008 3:05:28 GMT 1
Wow! what a beautiful and inspiring church! Are those stations of the cross on the side of the path? Thanks for sharing! Jim
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Post by locopolaco on May 14, 2008 3:43:03 GMT 1
Wow! what a beautiful and inspiring church! Are those stations of the cross on the side of the path? Thanks for sharing! Jim my first thought was that they were confessionals. hmmm. bonobo?!!
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Post by jkustelski on May 14, 2008 3:47:05 GMT 1
Wow! what a beautiful and inspiring church! Are those stations of the cross on the side of the path? Thanks for sharing! Jim my first thought was that they were confessionals. hmmm. bonobo?!! Well if that is the case they must really have the 'sinners' lining up in droves! ;D Jim
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Post by Bonobo on May 14, 2008 7:32:43 GMT 1
Built from 1994-2004? So, it's very new...Why was such an impressive basilica built in that particular place? From the picture with the surrounding countryside visible, it doesn't look like it's in a big city? Is there some significance to the site? Yes, the basilica is surrounded by vast fields and forests... This is the village of Licheń, with an old church. The place has been known as a destination for many pilgrims who want to see the miraculous portrait of God`s mother. The basilica is a colossal offering to mark the passing of 2,000 years since the birth of Christ. This being staunchly Catholic Poland, the aim is to coax a sinning nation back to the arms of its eternal savior, the Madonna. In particular, to Our Lady, The Sorrowful Queen Of Poland -- a tiny 18th-century copy of an earlier portrait that will form the centerpiece of the shrine.
According to Lichen legend, a shepherd was guided by the Madonna herself to the portrait, which depicts a forlorn-looking figure sporting Poland's national symbol, a crowned white eagle, on her breast. The shepherd claimed that she had appeared before him in 1850 with apocalyptic warnings of bloody wars and plague if the Polish did not mend their ways. She also predicted the portrait would one day be housed in a wonderful shrine that would be built by the angels if man lacked the means.
The shepherd's apparition went largely unheeded until the European cholera epidemic of 1852, when thousands flocked to the portrait after reports of miraculous cures. The pilgrims are still coming -- more than a million of them every year.The Icon of the Virgin Mary from Licheń was painted in oil on a larch board (6.3 x 9.1" 16 x 23 cm). Mary has a White Eagle on her breast instead of the Child, and she is directing her closed eyes towards it. The face of Mary is dignified, majestic, and denotes suffering. The symbols of the Passion of Christ are found on her golden coat including: a thorn, crown, ships, nails, and a spear. Two angels support the Queen's crown. Below the image is the inscription: "Queen of Poland - Give Freedom to Our Days"
More here. www.bvmc.org/history/marian_images.html
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Post by Bonobo on May 14, 2008 7:56:02 GMT 1
The building is impressive, indeed, but many people, Catholics too, object to it. What exactly are they against? Firstly, they say it is megalomania and unneccessary grandeur. With the money a dozen hospices could have been built which would be more Christian in their function. Also, all old churches of historical value could be renovated and secured against fire in Poland. Secondly, the objectors claim it is a very tawdry architecture. They call it spiritual Disneyland or cheap Las Vegas and criticise its golden domes and plastic decorations. To learn more about the motives behind building the basilica, read an article from 1998 www.texnews.com/1998/religion/rival0620.htmlMakulski has been dreaming of a palace for Lichen's queen since he arrived here 33 years ago. He claims to have had a vision of the future sanctuary as he drove along the dusty road that leads to the village -- of a "beautiful basilica with bright walls and countless towers capped with gold crowns against a clear blue sky."
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Post by Bonobo on May 24, 2008 19:18:45 GMT 1
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Post by gigi on May 24, 2008 21:10:24 GMT 1
The Skull Chapel in Czermna. In 1776 a local priest founded a church made up of human skulls and tibia bones. All the bones were the victims of the Silesian wars and epidemics. A stunning and shocking place to visit. It is a bit creepy, but you can't deny the chapel's impact. It is one thing to hear about a chapel made up of thousands of skulls from victims of war and disease, but it is altogether different to see it.
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Post by Bonobo on May 24, 2008 22:17:42 GMT 1
The Skull Chapel in Czermna. In 1776 a local priest founded a church made up of human skulls and tibia bones. All the bones were the victims of the Silesian wars and epidemics. A stunning and shocking place to visit. It is a bit creepy, but you can't deny the chapel's impact. It is one thing to hear about a chapel made up of thousands of skulls from victims of war and disease, but it is altogether different to see it. It is just a practical reminder that nothing is permanent in this world and it is the other world we should constantly have in mind.
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Post by valpomike on May 24, 2008 23:03:04 GMT 1
Could not some of the money use, the cost to build, be used to help the poor and sick?
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Post by locopolaco on May 25, 2008 1:29:58 GMT 1
Could not some of the money use, the cost to build, be used to help the poor and sick? since when did the church start to actually care about the poor? hmm.. i agree w/ you too VM but the church thinks first of itself and then maybe the people.
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Post by jeanne on May 25, 2008 12:03:07 GMT 1
since when did the church start to actually care about the poor? hmm.. i agree w/ you too VM but the church thinks first of itself and then maybe the people. Hi loco, I think this is a very broad and inaccurate generalization about the Church. The Church is an institution, comprised of both saints and sinners, and to personify it with the trait of thinking of itself first certainly does not ring true, particularly in our country where the Church in many areas is the largest provider of social services.
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Post by locopolaco on May 25, 2008 16:04:24 GMT 1
i'm cool with your opinion although i disagree. some churches are better then others, that's for sure.
i'm just not a big fan.
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Post by valpomike on May 25, 2008 17:59:14 GMT 1
Church is just a building, you need not have a big new one, to worship, you can even pray from home. God is everywhere.
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Post by jeanne on May 25, 2008 20:01:17 GMT 1
Church is just a building, you need not have a big new one, to worship, you can even pray from home. God is everywhere. This is true, Mike, but I see nothing wrong with mankind using its talent and treasure to build something for the glory of God. The beautiful cathedrals in Europe and the wonders of Renaissance art (many of which had religious themes) have greatly enriched our lives with their beauty.
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Post by Bonobo on May 25, 2008 20:49:35 GMT 1
Could not some of the money use, the cost to build, be used to help the poor and sick? The sick - wholeheartedly yes. Especially children who were born with disfunctions or genetic illnesses. The poor- it is not so obvious. A lot of people are poor in Poland because they didn`t want to learn, neglected their education and today can` t find any job because they don`t have any qualifications. What is worse, they don`t want to change anything and live on welfare. Today I can see my former students who refused to learn in the past. They didn`t go to any studies, and now they complain about their lousy lives without steady work. I perfectly knew how it would end when they were my students and I told them about it many times, but it didn`t help. The truth is they fully deserve what they have or don`t have now. Also, some families are poor because they prefer spending money on alcohol which is a big problem in Poland. Vodka destroys like drugs but in the longer run.
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Post by Bonobo on May 25, 2008 21:04:00 GMT 1
Could not some of the money use, the cost to build, be used to help the poor and sick? since when did the church start to actually care about the poor? hmm.. i agree w/ you too VM but the church thinks first of itself and then maybe the people. It depends. Yes, there are some priests who take care of themselves only. I know a few and condemn them. But there are also clergymen and nuns who sacrifice plenty of time and effort to help. I know a lot and think highly of them. The Church is made of people and by people. There are good ones who care for others, and bad ones who don`t.
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Post by jeanne on May 25, 2008 23:53:17 GMT 1
Today I can see my former students who refused to learn in the past. They didn`t go to any studies, and now they complain about their lousy lives without steady work. I perfectly knew how it would end when they were my students and I told them about it many times, but it didn`t help. The truth is they fully deserve what they have or don`t have now. Did you tell them about the orange jackets?
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Post by Bonobo on May 26, 2008 12:29:22 GMT 1
Today I can see my former students who refused to learn in the past. They didn`t go to any studies, and now they complain about their lousy lives without steady work. I perfectly knew how it would end when they were my students and I told them about it many times, but it didn`t help. The truth is they fully deserve what they have or don`t have now. Did you tell them about the orange jackets? No, I didn`t because mentioning orange jackets would be too painful to me. But I told them about the local road which was in a very bad shape and warned them we would meet one day on it, me driving and them working. And in one case I proved a fortune teller because I actually met my student on the road, the one who earned 50 zl per day. But I wasn`t truymphant seeing him. Just sad.
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Post by Bonobo on May 26, 2008 12:32:50 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on May 26, 2008 21:00:16 GMT 1
St Mary`s Church has a legend attached... The towers of the Maria Church aren't equally high. Legend has it that two brothers competed who could build the highest tower in the shortest amount of time. The good brother seemed to be winning and the bad one killed him with a knife out of jealousy. Then he killed himself as well. The towers were left the way they were.Taken from here: www.off-the-beaten-track.net/?/travelogues/pl02s01.htmlSince then the replica of the knife has been hanging in the nearby Clothes Hall building to remind people of the deplorable end of the jealous brother. See the knife: A funny thing: every year they have to replace a few replicas which are stolen by tourists visiting Krakow. The church is not so much interesting on the outside. It is famous for its altarpiece by Wit Stwosz (Veit Stross). It is completely made of wood and one of the largest altarpieces in Europe. As soon as the enormous side panels open (every day exactly at noon), a scene becomes visible. In the central panel Mary is dying amidst the apostles. The altarpiece shows how the different ranks in medieval society dressed and what kind of weapons, furniture and pottery they used.
The altarpiece is painted blue and partly covered with gold paint, which makes it both tense and serene. On the blue ceiling gold stars are painted. It is as if you're watching an unclouded sky with stars on a beautiful summer evening. The 14th century stained glass windows reinforce the colors. The walls are painted different shades of red.Taken from here: www.off-the-beaten-track.net/?/travelogues/pl02s01.htmlThe inside of the Church upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Kosciol_Mariacki_wnetrze.JPG/800px-img.search.com/6/64/300px-Gothic_altar_veit_stoss.jpg7lisa10.googlepages.com/Mariackiwewnatrz.JPG/Mariackiwewnatrz-full.jpgThe Altar of Wit Stwosz
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 12, 2010 21:40:05 GMT 1
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Post by valpomike on Sept 13, 2010 1:19:32 GMT 1
Looks more like a tower at the airport, than a church.
Mike
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Post by pjotr on Oct 20, 2010 23:02:51 GMT 1
This former Dominican Church in Poznań was established around 1244 before the Old Town was moved to the other side of the river and is the oldest remaining monument on the banks of the Warta. The Baroque furnishings inside are typical of the 17th century and in the north section there is a large Gothic Rosary Chapel which dates back to the 15th century. Many changes have been made to the building as the years have passed but the Gothic entrance and main elevations are still the same. Definitely worth taking a look at.During communism I went to a large Easter mass there with my mother and sister, and there were some beautiful songs sung there by Monks. It was 1984.
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Post by pjotr on Oct 20, 2010 23:03:39 GMT 1
The Archcathedral Basilica of St. Peter and St. Paul in Poznań is one of the oldest churches in Poland and the oldest Polish cathedral, dating from the 10th century. It stands on the island of Ostrów Tumski north-east of the city centre.
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Post by pjotr on Oct 20, 2010 23:05:11 GMT 1
[/img] Franciscan Church PoznanGo to the dominating church of St. Francis of Assizes with its Baroque facade and two 69 meter high towers with characteristic domes. The first wooden church stood here in 1458 but by 1473 it had become a Late Gothic stone church. The present edifice was raised on its ruins (Swedish invasion) in 1665-68 but today's facade was created later, in 1712, when Jan Stier reconstructed the church again. After the monastery went into dissolution in 1835 the building was used as the St. Maria Magdalene School. During the war the building was heavily damaged and after the war it was returned to the Franciscans who started its long reconstruction which ended in the eighties of the XX century. The towers for example were finished in 1983. In the courtyard of the church is the statue of St. Francis and a broken bell made by Jan Bruck in 1730. After WWII broke out the church was turned into painting workshops and the bell was taken to Hamburg. It was returned in 1957 but because it was damaged it was placed here in 1980.
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Post by pjotr on Oct 20, 2010 23:05:26 GMT 1
St. Franics Seraph Church [Kościół stygmatów Św. Franciszka Serafickiego] Completed in 1733 this baroque masterpiece holds the remains of St Vitalis; see the glass coffin for yourself by visiting the chapel to your left. Many of the religious relics found scattered around were donated by Pope Benedict XIV in 1754, and this church is also entered in the history books as holding the first free mass in Warsaw following the flight of the Nazis.
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Post by pjotr on Oct 20, 2010 23:12:24 GMT 1
The St. Martin ChurchThe St. Martin Church is the oldest parish church in Poznan. The first church stood here long before Poznan was given city rights and was the parish church for the neighboring villages and settlements. The oldest document mentioning the parish church goes back to 1244. At the beginning of the XV century on the foundations of a precedent building the present Late Gothic style church was built. It was reconstructed and destroyed many times during its stormy history: burnt by the Swedes in 1657, destroyed by Moscals and Prussians in 1759, turned into a Gausippenamt magazine on 8 October 1941, and finally blown up in 1945 with only 10% of the building left standing. The reconstruction work was completed in 1955. Inside the church now you can see the carefully restored Gothic style ceiling, the stained glass windows and a very important and priceless triptych from 1498 (creator unknown) presenting the Mother of God with Child accompanied by the statues of John The Baptist and St. Catherine. When the wings of the Altar are closed you can see images from the life of St. Catherine. Outside the church there are three interesting things to see. First, a provisory bell tower with three historical bells from 1563, 1718 and 1747. On the right there is a grotto with a statue of Mary from Lourdes (built in 1911). And finally behind the church, as you saw it when arriving at the church from St. Martin Street, there is a memorial stone placed where the first monument to Mickiewicz once stood (remember the story from point 1 of our tour?). And here we finish our journey around the attractions of Poznan city center. We can only advise you to return to the places on our route which you liked the most tomorrow and to those you missed today. We have another route prepared for you outside the city center. Lots of places to visit before you go home, so go down to the Market Square, have a rest and get ready for tomorrow! Thank you for walking with us today. lh5.ggpht.com/_PcFjpyWxJgs/SjkrgbcSq-I/AAAAAAAADSs/HLmDoHraTbE/Wycieczka+rowerowa+do+%C5%81agowa+309.jpg
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 22, 2017 1:29:42 GMT 1
Big modern churches Białystok Kraków Radom Wrocław Inowrocław Warszawa Świdnica Licheń
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