Windows of Life for newly born babies

[Bonobo]

There are about 46 of them in Poland. Small rooms, built in external walls of hospitals and monasteries. Women who don`t want to rear their babies, can leave them there. Every week one baby is left in the window of life in Poland.

[Bonobo]

Recently there has been a controversy concerning those windows. United Nations urges countries to abolish them.

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2012/dec/10/poland-baby-hatches-vulnerable-mothers

[Bonobo]

Jan 22, 2013 13:48:25 GMT 1 Bonobo said:

There are about 46 of them in Poland.

I have just read there are over 100 of them in Poland.

But their existence is still threatened. The UN Children`s Rights Committee has been trying to force Poland to close them down for a few years now. Main reason: it is cruel to deprive children of their true identity. Kids should know who their parents are. It is barbaric to doom them to eternal uncertainty.

That is why anonymous child birth is propagated instead of windows of life. But it requires the changes in Polish law.

www.polityka.pl/tygodnikpolityka/kraj/1637357,1,okna-zycia-do-zamkniecia.read

[jeanne]

Oct 20, 2015 18:55:53 GMT 1 Bonobo said:

There are about 46 of them in Poland.
I have just read there are over 100 of them in Poland.

But their existence is still threatened. The UN Children`s Rights Committee has been trying to force Poland to close them down for a few years now. Main reason: it is cruel to deprive children of their true identity. Kids should know who their parents are. It is barbaric to doom them to eternal uncertainty.

That is why anonymous child birth is propagated instead of windows of life. But it requires the changes in Polish law.

Yes, it is important to know your identity, but unfortunately without this safe way for parents to relieve themselves of the "burden" of parenthood, some of these babies may end up in a ditch somewhere, or even a dumpster. We do see that here in the US on occasion. Here, parents can leave newborns at Fire Stations without questions asked and without fear of prosecution. (Only for newborns, though, up to 2 months old)

[Bonobo]

Oct 20, 2015 19:09:25 GMT 1 jeanne said:

Yes, it is important to know your identity, but unfortunately without this safe way for parents to relieve themselves of the "burden" of parenthood, some of these babies may end up in a ditch somewhere, or even a dumpster. We do see that here in the US on occasion. Here, parents can leave newborns at Fire Stations without questions asked and without fear of prosecution. (Only for newborns, though, up to 2 months old)

It is a very important argument for keeping the windows. Thank you, I will still support them.

[Bonobo]

100 babies since 2006. Poland still refuses to shut down the windows of life despite UN appeal. Life is more important than identity.







wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/onz-wzywal-polske-do-ich-zamkniecia-ale-zwolennicy-okien-zycia-przekonuja-prawo-do/9bdefs8

[Bonobo]

Oct 20, 2015 19:09:25 GMT 1 jeanne said:

Here, parents can leave newborns at Fire Stations without questions asked and without fear of prosecution. (Only for newborns, though, up to 2 months old)

Yes, I just came across this news about an Am teenager who worked hard to earn enough money to install a baby box in his area. After a year, the box proved useful.

www.fakt.pl/wydarzenia/swiat/usa-nastolatek-zebral-pieniadze-zeby-sfinansowac-okno-zycia/hmt75zr

[jeanne]

Jan 30, 2020 8:24:43 GMT 1 Bonobo said:

Oct 20, 2015 19:09:25 GMT 1 jeanne said:

Here, parents can leave newborns at Fire Stations without questions asked and without fear of prosecution. (Only for newborns, though, up to 2 months old)

Yes, I just came across this news about an Am teenager who worked hard to earn enough money to install a baby box in his area. After a year, the box proved useful.

If even only one life is saved, the boxes are worthwhile!

[Bonobo]

Jan 31, 2020 0:17:08 GMT 1 jeanne said:

If even only one life is saved, the boxes are worthwhile!

Does it mean you vhanged your mind after a few years? Previously you were against those boxes.

[jeanne]

Jan 31, 2020 9:24:16 GMT 1 Bonobo said:

Jan 31, 2020 0:17:08 GMT 1 jeanne said:

If even only one life is saved, the boxes are worthwhile!

Does it mean you vhanged your mind after a few years? Previously you were against those boxes.

I think you may be confusing me with someone else...I have always been in favor of these and other means of saving babies who are not wanted. Here is what I wrote:

"Yes, it is important to know your identity, but unfortunately without this safe way for parents to relieve themselves of the "burden" of parenthood, some of these babies may end up in a ditch somewhere, or even a dumpster. We do see that here in the US on occasion. Here, parents can leave newborns at Fire Stations without questions asked and without fear of prosecution. (Only for newborns, though, up to 2 months old)"

You noted that the U.N. is against the boxes, but I have no affiliation with the U.N.!!

[naukowiec]

Jun 16, 2018 17:39:42 GMT 1 Bonobo said:

Poland still refuses to shut down the windows of life despite UN appeal. Life is more important than identity.

I agree with these windows. It is terrible that a mother may feel so desperate that she has to leave her child there, but who knows what circumstances lie behind that decision. Better that a child is saved than dumped somewhere and not found in time.

[Bonobo]

Jan 31, 2020 22:43:06 GMT 1 jeanne said:

I think you may be confusing me with someone else...I have always been in favor of these and other means of saving babies who are not wanted.

I don`t know where I got the idea from. I was sure you were against, claiming everybody should know his/her origin, and there might be a serious problem if two related people, but unaware of their relation, meet and fall in love and want to get married etc. Wasn`t it you? Was I dreaming then? Unbelievable.

Don`t tell me that`s the proof how badly I read what you say.

[jeanne]

Feb 3, 2020 15:39:11 GMT 1 Bonobo said:

I don`t know where I got the idea from. I was sure you were against, claiming everybody should know his/her origin, and there might be a serious problem if two related people, but unaware of their relation, meet and fall in love and want to get married etc. Wasn`t it you? Was I dreaming then? Unbelievable.

Yes, you were dreaming!

Don`t tell me that`s the proof how badly I read what you say.

It is a scary thought that you may have been misinterpreting everything I have said! But don't worry...surely we would have noticed the disparity before now! This recent error must have just been a fluke.

[jeanne]

Here is a recent article I came across about these Windows of Life in Warsaw...this particular one seems to have been very successful. Eighteen babies in twelve years is a good record...good in the sense that these little ones will be taken care of, but also sad in the sense that someone felt the need, for whatever reason, to abandon their own child.


aleteia.org/2020/08/26/polish-nuns-discover-baby-placed-in-window-of-life-box/?utm_campaign=NL_en&utm_source=daily_newsletter&utm_medium=mail&utm_content=NL_en

[Bonobo]

Aug 26, 2020 22:39:39 GMT 1 jeanne said:

Eighteen babies in twelve years is a good record...

but also sad that someone felt the need to abandon their own child.

yes, very good record coz it means that there was no report about another dead baby wrapped in a shopping bag that dustmen found at the dump site. I read a dozen such reports a year.

Abandoning a child is sad but I recently read an article about females who hate being mothers. It is the mental problem they can`t cope with and we mustn`t blame them. My most important girlfriend abhorred the idea of having kids, she was obsessively thinking about pregnancy as sth appalling, inhuman, animalistic.

Windows of life are a great invention, also for such women.