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Post by Bonobo on Jan 15, 2017 10:43:37 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Jan 15, 2017 11:49:01 GMT 1
Dear Bo,
Unfortunately this sad news doesn't surprises me, since I know of the heritage of Ukrianian anti-Polonism of the Ukrainian nationalists. There had been incidents with vandalism against monuments fror Poles murdered by Ukrainian nationalists before.
It shows that the Ukrainian Ultra-Nationalism with roots in the UPA (Ukraińska Powstańcza Armia) and Bandera's OUN (Organizacja Ukraińskich Nacjonalistów) is still alive next to the former soldiers of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician) and the heritage of that collaboraratist Ukrainian Nazi force.
The Huta Pieniacka massacre was one of the manny attocities Ukrainian Nazi's and Ultra-Nationalists like UPA and OUN commited against Polish citizens. Another example is the Pidkamin massacre (or the Podkamień massacre of 12 March 1944), the massacre of Polish civilians committed by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) under the command of Maksym Skorupsky (Maks), in cooperation with a unit of the 14th SS-Volunteer Division "Galician". The victims were ethnic Polish residents of the Eastern Galician village of Podkamień in the occupied Second Polish Republic's Tarnopol Voivodeship (now Pidkamin, Brody Raion, Ukraine). During the war the area was administratively part of the Nazi German Reichskommissariat Ukraine (now Ternopil oblast). Estimates of victims include 150, more than 250 and up to 1000.
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pjotr on Jan 15, 2017 12:02:34 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 15, 2017 12:35:41 GMT 1
Dear Bo, Unfortunately this sad news doesn't surprises me, since I know of the heritage of Ukrianian anti-Polonism of the Ukrainian nationalists. There had been incidents with vandalism against monuments fror Poles murdered by Ukrainian nationalists before. Peter, until perpetrators are caught and tried, we cannot for sure say who did it and why. You certainly know that Russians would gladly see more tension between Ukrainians and Poles so that they can play their imperial games in Eastern Europe more efficiently. Destroying sacred monuments might be just one of methods employed for the sake of the ancient policy of divide and empera.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 15, 2017 13:28:08 GMT 1
Dear Bonobo,
It could have been Russian FSB agents, ethnic Russians from Ukraine, or other Russian individuals. The Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation, SVR RF (Russian: СВР РФ), Russia's external intelligence agency duties includes Illegal Intelligence such as preparing and planting "illegal agents" abroad, conducting terror operations and sabotage in foreign countries, "biological espionage", recruitment of foreign citizens on the Russian territory and other duties.
You could count blowing up the for monument to Poles in Huta Pieniacka in Ukraine to the sabotage task of the FSB if Russian intelligence was involved in this. I wonder if investigations at the crime scene could determin which group or individuals did it. They will examine the damage which is done, which explosives were used. They will check the ragment projection, air blast, high-velocity jet, powder trails and etc. I hope that Ukrainian and mybe Polish investigators can find traces that might lead to a source.
Probably there were not webcams or other audio-visual recordings of the moment of the blast,
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 15, 2017 17:42:57 GMT 1
Dear Bonobo, It could have been Russian FSB agents, ethnic Russians from Ukraine, or other Russian individuals. The Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation, SVR RF (Russian: СВР РФ), Russia's external intelligence agency duties includes Illegal Intelligence such as preparing and planting "illegal agents" abroad, conducting terror operations and sabotage in foreign countries, "biological espionage", recruitment of foreign citizens on the Russian territory and other duties. You could count blowing up the for monument to Poles in Huta Pieniacka in Ukraine to the sabotage task of the FSB if Russian intelligence was involved in this. I wonder if investigations at the crime scene could determin which group or individuals did it. They will examine the damage which is done, which explosives were used. They will check the ragment projection, air blast, high-velocity jet, powder trails and etc. I hope that Ukrainian and mybe Polish investigators can find traces that might lead to a source. Probably there were not webcams or other audio-visual recordings of the moment of the blast, Cheers, Pieter So, we have to be very wary jugding what happened there.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 15, 2017 21:10:41 GMT 1
You are right, but in the same time I am very reluctant in trusting Ukrainians like some Poles and some Western-Europeans do. There are a lot of Neo-Nazi's, Ultra-Nationalists, Neo-fascists, anti-Polonists, anti-semites and anti-Russians over there. Often anti-Polonism and anti-semitism go hand in hand in the Ukrainian case, because the fanatic hating extremists amongst them hate Poles as much as they hate Jews (and probably Russians too). I simply find it scary how powerful, agressive and dominant these far right, Ultra-Nationalist groups are in the Ukraine. Due to the war in Eastern-Ukraine these far right Ultra-Nationalists are trained, armed and experienced in combat. If they return from the Eastern front they might cause Problems in Western-Ukraine in the Lviv (Lwów) area, where you have a small Polish minority and these Polish monuments for the Polish victims of the attrocities commited by the UPA, OUM and Ukrainian Waffen SS. The Ultra-Nationalist and Neo-Nazi Azov battalions insubordination and aggression towards the civilian population in Eastern-Ukraine is a concern for both the Ukrainian government and the forces of the rebel Donetsk People’s RepublicI hope that Polish and Ukrainian investigators will find out who commited this Vandalist act. Cheers, Pieter
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 29, 2017 0:00:32 GMT 1
Ukraine: Bykivnia WWII graves vandalised 25.01.2017 13:27 Graves at a WWII cemetery in Bykivnia, north-central Ukraine, where thousands of Polish officers are buried, were vandalised with red paint overnight. Buried at the cemetery near Kiev are tens of thousands of victims of totalitarianism. The vandals also attempted to destroy the entrance to the Polish war cemetery, the director of the site told the PAP news agency. The incident took place on the night between Tuesday and Wednesday, and the paint was noticed in the morning. Local police have started an investigation at the site, the cemetery director said. He added: "The Ukrainian and Polish part of the cemetery was [vandalised] with oil paint. In the Polish section of the site, the words ‘SS Galizien’ were painted, and the Ukrainian site was inscribed with the words ‘OUN-UPA’." The latter refers to the WWII-era Ukrainian Insurgent Army. “There was also an attempt to destroy the [columns at the] entrance to the Polish part of the cemetery. Someone tried to topple them with a crowbar. One column tilted, while nothing happened to the other,” he added. The incident follows the recent vandalisation of another WWII monument in Ukraine. The Polish foreign ministry demanded that the destruction of a monument to Poles murdered in 1944 in the village of Huta Pieniacka in Ukraine should be examined by authorities.
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 5, 2017 16:05:50 GMT 1
A monument to Poles murdered by Ukrainian nationalists was blown up in Huta Pieniacka in Ukraine. The destroyed monument in Huta Pieniacka was restored in record time by the local community.
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 25, 2017 21:05:55 GMT 1
The destroyed monument in Huta Pieniacka was restored in record time by the local community.And again it was vandalised. Immediately cleaned by local residents. Polish monuments in other places have been attacked too. It is strongly believed in Ukraine that Russians have been organising these provocations. www.rmf24.pl/fakty/polska/news-wandale-zniszczyli-polskie-pomniki-w-podkamieniu-smierc-lach,nId,2367550#utm_source=www.rmf24.pl&utm_medium=relatedBottom&utm_campaign=2368266
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