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Post by valpomike on Mar 13, 2009 19:12:21 GMT 1
Polish bishops have said that investigations into the ties of the clergy to the communist6 era security police will not be continued.
Why are the afraid of what they could find? Or who they could find? Poland needs to know the truth.
The matter is closed-says a statement issued by the Polish Episcopate at the end of its meeting. The bishops quote a letter from the Vatican, which says there are no grounds to accuse any member of the Episcopate of willful and voluntary collaboration with the former repressive regime. The Vatican reached this conclusion on the basis of reports prepared by special Church historic commission.
Is this just a cover up, since we are now so short of clergy?
Did you know this? What do you think on this?
Do you want to know?
What if there still are clergy who helped communist, what should be done to them? And who would do it?
Mike
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Post by tufta on Mar 14, 2009 20:03:00 GMT 1
Did you know this? What do you think on this? Yes Mike, we do know. The reasons are simple. Part of clergy in Poland is very hypocritical. ANd the Church in general haven't quite found itself in the new reality of free Poland. But it will 'find itself' someday again, as many times in 2000 year history. And the process yoy have decribed in unstoppable - the number of priest aware that 'only truth is a cure' is rapidly rising. |
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Post by valpomike on Mar 16, 2009 22:31:47 GMT 1
No one more have a view on this?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 17, 2009 6:42:33 GMT 1
It is natural that the Church would like to put a stop to the investigation. Any organization would because nobody likes having their private and shameful matters discussed in the public.
The Church`s decision isn`t harmful, really, the the process of revealing the truth. Lay historians and experts out of the Church will continue their research of communist archives and they will publish their revelations.
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Post by tufta on Mar 17, 2009 10:44:55 GMT 1
It is natural that the Church would like to put a stop to the investigation. Any organization would because nobody likes having their private and shameful matters discussed in the public. The Church`s decision isn`t harmful, really, the the process of revealing the truth. Lay historians and experts out of the Church will continue their research of communist archives and they will publish their revelations. You are right of course, it isn't harmful to the process of revealing the truth. It makes it a little more difficult but will not stop it. The decision is first of all harmful to the church itself, and broadens the gap between the layer of church's decision makers and the layer of believers, the layer of parishes and even dioceses. Just as the last elections in the episcopate did - they have chosen the anti-reformer and not that intelligent head of Polish Episcopate for yet another five years. The sign the episcopate is not ready to face the 21 century yet. |
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 17, 2009 22:24:05 GMT 1
The decision is first of all harmful to the church itself, and broadens the gap between the layer of church's decision makers and the layer of believers, the layer of parishes and even dioceses. Oh, come on, don`t be such a pessimist! ;D ;D ;D ;D Who exactly? ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by tufta on Mar 19, 2009 11:26:05 GMT 1
Archbishop Michalik was reelected. What about my questions? Is the 'learns to howl among the wolves' a real saying? Is the 'learns to scratch among the monkeys' a real saying? |
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 19, 2009 23:21:52 GMT 1
Archbishop Michalik was reelected. What about my questions? Is the 'learns to howl among the wolves' a real saying? Is the 'learns to scratch among the monkeys' a real saying? The first is real, the other was invented by clever Jeanne. |
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 22, 2009 8:46:52 GMT 1
wiadomosci.onet.pl/1938650,11,item.html The recent poll`s results: 39% Poles criticize the decision to close the investigation into Church`s past. 26% support it. 36% have no opinion. I have just read the first part of Polish Church and Communist Secret Service - between heroism and collaboration. Very interesting. Shows the methods of persuasion into collaboration. The most successful were blackmail or certain forms of dependancy. E.g., one collaborating priest, very active in his secret job, suffered from diabetes. In 1960s and 70s it meant death sentence as Polish medical care was unable to cope with the disease. So, the priest abundantly informed on his colleagues and superiors, especially Karol Wojtyła, a bishop then, in order to receive medicaments from the communist officers who "ran" him. He lived till 1980s.
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