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Post by tufta on Sept 18, 2010 7:07:28 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Sept 18, 2010 20:37:44 GMT 1
Oh yeah, one of the greatest guitar players and a hero of my youth (teenage years, the eightees  )  |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 18, 2010 22:49:57 GMT 1
Oh yeah, one of the greatest guitar players and a hero of my youth (teenage years, the eightees ) I also lived my youth in 1980s but we never listened to Hendrix. I liked heavy metal and though he was a kind of metal music originator with his extreme guitar riffs, he was viewed as an extinct dinosaur. We prefered modern groups of 80s. |
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Post by tufta on Sept 19, 2010 7:29:55 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Sept 19, 2010 9:39:41 GMT 1
I liked this in the ninetees and today!
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Post by pjotr on Sept 19, 2010 9:43:40 GMT 1
I also lived my youth in 1980s but we never listened to Hendrix. I liked heavy metal and though he was a kind of metal music originator with his extreme guitar riffs, he was viewed as an extinct dinosaur. We prefered modern groups of 80s. and this guy, did you listen to him? Oh yes, Tufta, the Doors are part of our heritage. I have a greatest hist cd of them and saw the exellent, hypnotic movie about them in the cinema in Amsterdam. I like this one too: |
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Post by pjotr on Sept 19, 2010 9:56:56 GMT 1
Oh yeah, one of the greatest guitar players and a hero of my youth (teenage years, the eightees ) I also lived my youth in 1980s but we never listened to Hendrix. I liked heavy metal and though he was a kind of metal music originator with his extreme guitar riffs, he was viewed as an extinct dinosaur. We prefered modern groups of 80s. The eightees are the time of teenage ' extremism', the time of Puberty, and hard rock and heavy metal were part of that deal. My mother always said then, when she had washed my hardrock t-shirts with skulls and dark features, I have washed you Nazi t-shirts. My parents considered my musical choice as being fit for a mental institution. ;D I like these groups back then: |
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Post by tufta on Sept 19, 2010 15:40:50 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Sept 19, 2010 21:38:06 GMT 1
Tufta & Bonobo,
Janis Joplin was of Jimmy Hendrix time and I did know her music, although she was clearly of a generation before me and not very well known in the eightees. I heard her music in the local pubs with blues music where I liked to play Pool and snooker. You such old, brown, smokey bars, with a lot of old folks, farmers, taxi drivers, horeca people, workers, students, high school pupils and some local hippies and hard rockers who went there. The smell of blue smoke of sigarettes and special and ordinairy beers made that special pub atmosphere. In such places I heard Jimmy Hendrix, Jannis Joplin, the Greatful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, Frank Zappa, Queen, The Pretenders, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Blondy, The Doors, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, MC5, the Who, Elvis Presley, the Rollings Stones, the Beatles, U2, the Police, Prince, Van Halen, Marillion and a lot of other Rythem 'n Blues, Blues, Rock'n roll and rock bands in these pubs of my youth. They were not only places to relax and drink beer, but also places to listen to music and learn the music of that time and past decades. Ofcourse there was a mix of soul, disco, funk, sca, New Wave, pop music there too. Punk music, hiphop/rap and many heavy metal and hard rock music was in that time to extreme or noisy for average pubs. You had Underground, Independent (Indie) Subculture places and clubs back then I did not know at that time.
In my late teenage years and early twenties I learned about the non-mainstream music. So until my sixteenth/seventeenth I was an average kid who listened to the hitparade, the Top Forty on the Dutch radio and some less popular music, hard rock and heavy metal were a youth subculture at that time with special dress and groups.
Joy Division, The Velvet Underground, Punk, Public Enemy, Lou Reed (solo), the David Bowie of the Seventees, Nina Hagen, House, Techno, Drum'n Bass, Sca, Reggea and other music forms entered my life. Ofcourse I knew Bob Mareley, UB40 and Madness from my teenage years, but not the roots reggea and sca I learned to appreciate in the Anarchistic squathouses of the Autonomen people, student subculture and artists clubs, parties and studio's in Amsterdam, The Hague and Arnhem.
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Post by pjotr on Sept 19, 2010 21:54:22 GMT 1
I loved this Polish hard rock band. I played the record with this song on it a lot.
Listening to their music made me feel connected to Poland, my Polish family
and the memories and experiances I had as a kid and teenager in Poland.
It was a melancholic feeling, and I did not understand the lyrics, but only heard
the words Dzieci, and thought it had to be about children.
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 19, 2010 22:00:16 GMT 1
and this guy, did you listen to him? Never in the 1980s. There were other Western rock groups then, and Polish groups were also more important to me. I listened to the Doors in 1990s as a mature boy, almost a man, in the USA. The eightees are the time of teenage ' extremism', the time of Puberty, and hard rock and heavy metal were part of that deal. My mother always said then, when she had washed my hardrock t-shirts with skulls and dark features, I have washed you Nazi t-shirts. My parents considered my musical choice as being fit for a mental institution. ;D That was my choice too. In 1983 I heard the first album of Metallica and that was a kicking revelation. Only the Iron Maiden was listened to in the circles I belonged to in my high school time 1975-1979  Good boy. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No, never did I intentionally put on her music. Her racuous voice was/is so disgusting. I like delicate lady singers like Enya, for example. Another revelation to me. Enya in Lord of the Rings |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 19, 2010 22:25:07 GMT 1
I loved this Polish hard rock band. I played the record with this song on it a lot. Listening to their music made me feel connected to Poland, my Polish family and the memories and experiances I had as a kid and teenager in Poland. It was a melancholic feeling, and I did not understand the lyrics, but only heard the words Dzieci, and thought it had to be about children. That was my fav metal ballad then too. I remember dancing slow dances to it with beautiful hot girls at home parties. ;D ;D ;D But the message was important too. It was one of a few songs which we thought was released out due to some mistake in communist censorship system. The lyrics` message is that adult children don`t know how to live. They were taught dates and rules and other pieces of useless wisdom at socialist school. To no avail, because living a decent life is impossible. The song finishes with a call to start a real education and become independent. |
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Post by pjotr on Sept 19, 2010 22:46:42 GMT 1
If you like delicate lady singers do you like these one too?
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Post by pjotr on Sept 19, 2010 23:07:33 GMT 1
I loved this Polish hard rock band. I played the record with this song on it a lot. Listening to their music made me feel connected to Poland, my Polish family and the memories and experiances I had as a kid and teenager in Poland. It was a melancholic feeling, and I did not understand the lyrics, but only heard the words Dzieci, and thought it had to be about children. That was my fav metal ballad then too. I remember dancing slow dances to it with beautiful hot girls at home parties. ;D ;D ;D But the message was important too. It was one of a few songs which we thought was released out due to some mistake in communist censorship system. The lyrics` message is that adult children don`t know how to live. They were taught dates and rules and other pieces of useless wisdom at socialist school. To no avail, because living a decent life is impossible. The song finishes with a call to start a real education and become independent. I am glad this song had this message and meaning to you and other Poles. The quality of the song reached me and touched me. I felt connected with you, the people behind the Iron Curtian back then. I am glad that this song which had a sentimental, musical and melancholic meaning to me, had a strong and important message. A Polish friend of my mother (a woman) brought the record as a gift to me in the Netherlands. She heard from my mom that she had teenage kids, a son (me) and a daughter (my) sister. She brought us gifts from Poland. Later I received a record from Papa Dance and Marek & Vacek. So I was glad with this vartiety of Polish popular music. |
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Post by pjotr on Sept 19, 2010 23:40:10 GMT 1
I loved this Polish hard rock band. I played the record with this song on it a lot. Listening to their music made me feel connected to Poland, my Polish family and the memories and experiances I had as a kid and teenager in Poland. It was a melancholic feeling, and I did not understand the lyrics, but only heard the words Dzieci, and thought it had to be about children. That was my fav metal ballad then too. I remember dancing slow dances to it with beautiful hot girls at home parties. ;D ;D ;D You lucky guy, I was a typical nervous teenage kid, skinny with Acne vulgaris, thin arms and legs and very pale. ;D ;D I hated songs like ' Paradise by the Dashboard light', because it was a slow dance number or ' Jane Birkin & Serge Gainsbourgs - Je T'aime... Moi Non Plus'. I was drinking to much beer and smoking to much sigarettes. The first romantic thing to a girl was when I asked the dj to play Paradise City (' Take me to the place where the grass is green and the girls are pretty') from Guns N' Roses. That it was not such a romantic song did come into to that mind of that skinny adolescent I was back then. It was not easy then, later it became better after I moved to Amsterdam and got my first real girlfriend. I was what you can call a late bloomer (or late developer). And a loner, who liked to Surf, row, swim, run and dance. In my teenage years I studied girls and young women. Was a poor romantic soul who wrote (sometimes) romantic love letter to girls in my class (I was the only one who did that), and made contact by playing chess games with the pretty Indo girl in my class on a magnetic little chess game. What a time, what a time was it back then in the Netherlands, in Poland and inbetween. (Our crazy exciting travels to Poland by train and car. With the East-German borders in the West and East we had to cross to come to Poland. For me it was an adventure, like a movie, novel or video clip. With those crazy East German border guards and police -Vopo's- who treated us like trash, and blackmailed us. The Polish border and border guards often were a relief to us compared to their strict, rude, grumpy and scarry East-German Prussian colleages. Ofcourse sometimes you had -if you were unlucky- a typical Homo Sovjeticus on the Polish side of the border, a frightning looking square faced woman, who looked like a Auschwitz female SS-guard, who was placed at the Polish border, to compete with the scarry east-Germans. Or Sovjet stile Polish hardened, strict Party people. Guys who looked like NKVD agents of Beria, and forgot that they were Poles. I wondered if that had to do with the fact that they had to much contact with those Prussian monsters on the other side of the fence? Or that it was the direct Sovjet influence on Polish Communist party functionairies (Nomenklatura). I also remembered the differance between the civilized, warm, friendly and cosy family, friends of my mother and Poles in general, and the rude, grey, boring, boorish, blunt, unmannered Communist Polish functionaries in the offices, in the state hotels and at desks in Poznan, Warsawza, at the Polish border and the Polish embassy in the Hague where my mother had to go to get our visa's for Poland. My mother told me that the Polish communist people at the embassy were terrible people. But there were a lot of normal border guards who just did their duty and were not like those fanatical, strict, square faced, grey, party Apparatchiks. They were mild compared by the East-German red fascists. My father told me that the mentality of these guys (East-German border guards and Vopo's, the East German militia) was excactly like the Germans who were in the Netherlands between 1940 and 1945, arrogant, dominant and irritating. And I saw Russians a lot of Russians in East-Berlin sitting in the train from West to East Berlin, crossing the Berlin Wall. Trainloads of Russian soldiers packed like Sardines in their units, while the Russian officers with a few of them had whole units for themselves with champagne and Kaviar. Behind the personal units I saw the Russian tanks -T62 or something- and artillery. You felt, saw and witnessed how close the East-Germans and Russians were, and the East-Germans were probably more strict then the Sovjet themselves in their Nazi stile uniforms, militairy discipline and collective, closely monitored and opressed society [The Stasi police state that it was]). Bonobo, I was more a silent painter, drawer, sporter, drinker and smoker then a lady killer in those teenage years. There was not a lot of romance, there was a lot of noise (Hard rock and heavy metal), boys things (silly macho talk of skinny acne kids) and the subject was ' girls, girls and again girls'. ;D Pieter |
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Post by tufta on Sept 20, 2010 5:05:33 GMT 1
Thumbs up for Turbo's "Dorosłe dzieci'!
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Post by tufta on Sept 20, 2010 5:15:24 GMT 1
racuous voice was/is so disgusting. ;D ;D i disagree She is one of the most sensitive women-singers. She was simply too sensitive for this word, thus the voice, the behaviour, all was just a shell she tried to built around the soft, romantic, mellow soul. Try to listen to her music this way, and you will see |
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Post by pjotr on Sept 20, 2010 15:18:59 GMT 1
Turbo's "Doros³e dzieci' must have been a very important song in the eightees!
It was more than I had imagined back then as a teenager and Turbo fan!
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Post by tufta on Sept 20, 2010 16:03:29 GMT 1
Turbo's "Doros³e dzieci' must have been a very important song in the eightees! It was more than I had imagined back then as a teenager and Turbo fan! Take a look, Pjeter ''Top songs of all times' by the Poles: lp3.polskieradio.pl/topnotowanie/ |
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Post by tufta on Sept 20, 2010 16:07:12 GMT 1
Did you guys listen to...
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Post by pjotr on Sept 21, 2010 0:06:33 GMT 1
Peter Gabriel came into my life with his eightees hit:
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Post by pjotr on Sept 21, 2010 0:12:59 GMT 1
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Post by tufta on Sept 21, 2010 8:27:15 GMT 1
Peter Gabriel came into my life with his eightees hit: Don't give up did not 'age' at all, great song. So generally I see that the generation of people born in 70ties did 'get back' to dicover the earlier music achievements of the 60ties and 70ties when they grew up in the eighties. Of course I understand that for both you and Bo, the music of the eighties is the most heart-touching, it is natural. Pieter use to be an electronic, industrial, cold music oriented guy, while Bo was a natural born thrash metal fan, correct? ;D ;D ;D ;D May I ask yet more, about this guy, did you listen to him |
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Post by pjotr on Sept 21, 2010 8:39:41 GMT 1
Turbo's "Doros³e dzieci' must have been a very important song in the eightees! It was more than I had imagined back then as a teenager and Turbo fan! Take a look, Pjeter ''Top songs of all times' by the Poles: lp3.polskieradio.pl/topnotowanie/The Polish Top 100, very Nice, thank you Tufta, especially the Mix of Polish and international pop music. |
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Post by pjotr on Sept 21, 2010 8:56:15 GMT 1
So U2 is very popular in Poland too, with a number 1 and 2 position, and 12, 18, 21, 29, 52, 79, 83 positions.
In the Top 1000 of all times in the Netherlands this was the top 10 of 2009:
* 1. November rain - Guns N' Roses
* 2. One - U2
* 3. Clocks - Coldplay
* 4. One - Metallica
* 5. Bohemian rhapsody - Queen
* 6. Summer of 69 - Bryan Adams
* 7. Angels - Robbie Williams
* 8. School - Supertramp
* 9. Thriller - Michael Jackson
* 10. Smells like Teen Spirit - Nirvana
How in a short time taste can change, because in 2003 at the start of the Top 1000 the taste was like this:
* 1. November rain - Guns N' Roses
* 2. Bohemian rhapsody - Queen
* 3. Hotel California - The Eagles
* 4. Child in time - Deep Purple
* 5. Stairway to heaven - Led Zeppelin
* 6. Nothing else matters - Metallica
* 7. Paradise by the dashboard light - Meat Loaf
* 8. Radar love - Golden Earring
* 9. In the air tonight - Phil Collins
* 10. Summer of '69 - Bryan Adams
In the Past we had the Top 100 of all times. That music chart existed between 1968 and 2003. After that came the Top 1000.
The following singles or tracks were number 1 in the Top 100 of all times:
* Procol Harum - A Whiter Shade of Pale: 1968
* The Animals - House of the rising sun: 1970
* The Beatles - Hey Jude: 1971, 1972
* Deep Purple - Child in Time: 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1983, 1984 (March)
* Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody: 1984 (december), 1987, 1988, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1997, 1998
* Led Zeppelin - Stairway to heaven: 1986, 1989, 1990
* Guns N' Roses - Sweet Child O' Mine: 1993
* Metallica - One (Metallica): 1994, 1996
* Guns N' Roses - November Rain: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002
* U2 - One (U2): 2003
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Post by pjotr on Sept 21, 2010 9:16:27 GMT 1
Peter Gabriel came into my life with his eightees hit: Don't give up did not 'age' at all, great song. So generally I see that the generation of people born in 70ties did 'get back' to dicover the earlier music achievements of the 60ties and 70ties when they grew up in the eighties. Of course I understand that for both you and Bo, the music of the eighties is the most heart-touching, it is natural. Pieter use to be an electronic, industrial, cold music oriented guy, while Bo was a natural born thrash metal fan, correct? ;D ;D ;D ;D May I ask yet more, about this guy, did you listen to him Tufta, From a headbanging hardrocker, and metal fan I developped to be an eclectic Electronic freak with sixtees, seventees and eightees roots. But mind you I liked a lot of the sixtees and seventees music better than the eightees stuf, because I was aware that the roots of the Music of my time, the eightees lay in the Sixtees and eightees. The sixtees were the Golden decade of Pop music in my eyes, with Black Rythem 'n Blues, Soul, and Blues and Jazz which stil went on, and the British Beat music of the Beatles which was heavely influenced by the Black American Rythem 'n Blues, and ofcourse the American Folk music (Bob Dylan), Pop and Rock Music which developped in those years (Jimmy Hendrix, Chuck Berry, The Doors, the Velvet Underground, Greatful Dead, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane and last but not least the Pappa's and the Mamma's ;D). In the same time the music of my time influenced me ofcourse. My first single was Madonna's Holiday or U2's Sunday bloody sunday. As a hard rock fan (in the early days I started with Kiss, AC/DC, Black Sabbath and Saxon, to swithc later on to Mötorhead and Slayer) I liked some of the rock music, and other music stiles too. Police and U2 made a great impression on me as a kid in the seventees. And Blondy was my first great love. ;D  Pieter the Hippy ;D |
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Post by tufta on Sept 21, 2010 20:03:06 GMT 1
So U2 is very popular in Poland too, with a number 1 and 2 position, and 12, 18, 21, 29, 52, 79, 83 positions. They are very popular, yes. But aren't they overrepresented? Nine songs?? While nothing of Coldplay, for instance this one: |
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Post by pjotr on Sept 22, 2010 9:13:58 GMT 1
So U2 is very popular in Poland too, with a number 1 and 2 position, and 12, 18, 21, 29, 52, 79, 83 positions. They are very popular, yes. But aren't they overrepresented? Nine songs?? While nothing of Coldplay, for instance this one: Tufta, I agree with you that they are overpresented. But isn't a top 100, top 40 or top 1000 just an average of the taste of the masses? I always have thought it has nothing to do with the musical quality of a track of a CD/album or songs. My personal top 10 would be: * 1. Satelite of Love - The Velvet Underground * 2. Red Sails - David Bowie * 3. The Beatles - Helter Skelter * 4. State of Independance - Donna Summer * 5. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On * 6. Bohemian rhapsody - Queen * 7. Child in time - Deep Purple * 8. Turbo - Dorosłe Dzieci * 9. Propaganda - Duel (Eye to Eye) * 10. Jimmy Hendrix - Voodo Chile |
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Post by tufta on Sept 22, 2010 16:46:04 GMT 1
My personal top 10 would be: * 1. Satelite of Love - The Velvet Underground * 2. Red Sails - David Bowie * 3. The Beatles - Helter Skelter * 4. State of Independance - Donna Summer * 5. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On * 6. Bohemian rhapsody - Queen * 7. Child in time - Deep Purple * 8. Turbo - Dorosłe Dzieci * 9. Propaganda - Duel (Eye to Eye) * 10. Jimmy Hendrix - Voodo Chile Here is my try with English language songs. They are listed as memory permits at this very moment so don't blame me if I change it when my memory brings more memories. ;D 1. Pink Floyd - Time 2. Yes - Soon 3. Genesis - Entangled 4. King Crimson - Epitath 5. Led Zeppelin - Since I've been loving you 6. Janis Joplin -Summertime 7. Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel - Sebastian 8. Deep Purple - Child in Time ( reminded by Pieter 9. Morrisey - The world is full of crushing bores 10. The Who - Behind blue eyes |
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Post by pjotr on Sept 22, 2010 23:37:27 GMT 1
Although I prefer music of the sixtees and seventees, and some good quality bands of and music of the ninetees and the early years of this century. (The Musicians who know their roots and appreciate the good old music of the early days of pop music)
I have to admid that I grew up in the eightees, which were in the musical sense of less quality then the sixtees and seventees. Ofcourse I had my eightees music too.
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