The United States of Europe and Poland in them

[Bonobo]

British Prime Minister has a problem - Euro law requires that Britain opens borders for Bulgarian and Romanian migrants in 2014 but Brits are reluctant, or even hostile to the idea.


When controls are lifted, there will be a strong incentive for migration to the UK. Wages are much higher than in Bulgaria and Romania, and our welfare system is relatively generous to migrants. Any estimate of the likely scale of migration from these countries can only be an educated guess.
What will be the effects of this migration? For the migrants and their families, they will be mostly positive. Most will get a better job or higher welfare benefits than are available at home. The impact on the local UK population will be mixed. Many of the incomers from Bulgaria and Romania will possess the motivation and skills that have made migrants from countries like Poland attractive to UK employers. Their entry will pose a threat to more vulnerable sections of the UK labour force who will find it hard to compete. Academic research suggests that this effect will be quite small, although one cannot be sure.

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/19/cameron-bulgarian-romanian-immigration?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+theguardian%2Fcommentisfree%2Frss+%28Comment+is+free%29

Especially Roma minority is feared in Britain:

One uncertain factor is Roma migration. So far the inflow of Roma has been small but this could change. There are between 0.9 and 2.3 million Roma in Bulgaria and Romania, according to Professor Jan Zielonka, the author of Europe Unbound. If only a small fraction of them come to the UK this could pose a significant challenge. Historically, the Roma were a persecuted minority, having been enslaved for centuries and more recently murdered in large numbers. A recent survey conducted by the Soros Foundation Romania found that only 0.5-0.6% of Roma have a higher education – they are hence more likely to struggle finding work.
The picture is similar, though not quite as bad, among Roma migrants in Italy and Spain. Among male Roma aged 25-54 the proportion who are without employment is 33% in Italy and 46% in Spain. Roma migrants from Bulgaria are on average more successful than those from Romania. These patterns would presumably be replicated amongst Roma migrants to the UK.

[pjotr]

Bonobo,

There is a simple solution to these problems for the Brits and other West-European countries. Learn rom the Netherlands. We changed our wellfare system. It is not easy to get Welfare (Unemployment benefits, social security and etc.) and the wages are getting lower to improve the economy. The roaring ninetees are over. There is less migration and there are less asylumseekers coming in. The UK should say, we have enough immigrants and unemployed of our own, let's follow the Dutch example. Dutch unemployed are forced to take jobs they refused before, because they have to work. If they refuse a job they do not get an unemployment benefit. In the same time it has become more important to speak the language of the country if you work here. Dutch. That makes it more difficult for foreigners to come in and integrate.

What your story doesn't tell is the problem with the criminal elements of Rumanians and Bulgarians. You have good Bulgarians who work with the Poles, Lithuanians and Portugese in construction. But you have the pick pockets, the thieves and the gangsters (Bulgarian maffia) too.
There have been liquidations in the Bulgarians maffia milieu in Amsterdam. Sometimes people say it is discrimination or racism to mention this. But it exists, and it creates tension and aversion towards these people. Western-European countries have huge amounts of immigrants and natives that are unemployed. You should get these people to get to work first and work on the integration and assimiliation of these people before you allow more newcommers in. These newcommers by the way also receive a hostile reception of the migrants who feel threatened in their position and rights by the newcommers, who work for lower wages and etc.

Cheers,
Pieter

[Bonobo]

Feb 21, 2013 2:15:26 GMT 1 pjotr said:

Bonobo,

There is a simple solution to these problems for the Brits and other West-European countries. Learn rom the Netherlands. We changed our wellfare system. It is not easy to get Welfare (Unemployment benefits, social security and etc.) and the wages are getting lower to improve the economy. The roaring ninetees are over. There is less migration and there are less asylumseekers coming in. The UK should say, we have enough immigrants and unemployed of our own, let's follow the Dutch example. Dutch unemployed are forced to take jobs they refused before, because they have to work. If they refuse a job they do not get an unemployment benefit. In the same time it has become more important to speak the language of the country if you work here. Dutch. That makes it more difficult for foreigners to come in and integrate.

Clever measures, indeed.