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Post by Bonobo on Oct 16, 2016 17:14:13 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 4, 2017 20:34:13 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Jun 5, 2017 19:56:10 GMT 1
Polish Hooligans are notorious in the Netherlands too. especially Legia Warszawa, when the played in Eindhoven and Rotterdam, the cities of PSV and Feyenoord, teams with notorious Hooligans. The Dutch allies of Legia Warszawa are the The Hague supporters of Ado Den Haag!
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 5, 2017 20:49:35 GMT 1
Polish Hooligans are notorious in the Netherlands too. especially Legia Warszawa, when the played in Eindhoven and Rotterdam, the cities of PSV and Feyenoord, teams with notorious Hooligans. The Dutch allies of Legia Warszawa are the The Hague supporters of Ado Den Haag! Once I read an article about football violence - I probably already wrote about it somewhere in the forum - in the past those guys would join one of hundreds of armies and go to one of many wars conducted in Europe and elsewhere. That was the easiest way to release some tension which troubles some young males. Today, it is not so easy. |
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Post by pjotr on Jun 5, 2017 21:43:06 GMT 1
The Dutch voice over speaker says. Legia supporters don't like curious journalists. These are hard core hooligans. In they day after their own match Ajax Amsterdam-Legia Warszawa, the Legia went back to the Hague to see a soccer match of their allies Ado Den Haag with their Ado The Hague Hooligan colleages.
Here you see Legia Warszawa fans, who went to a match with one of their enemies, Ajax Amsterdam. Ajax Hooligans call themselves Superjews (Super Joden), and have the Israeli anthem as their club song. You could compare them to the "Yid Army" of Tottenham Hotspur F.C. It was a match Ajax Amsterdam-Legia Warszawa, but they first moved to the friendly territory of The Hague, before being escorted by a heave police force to the Amsterdam Arena stadium (the Ajax stadium of their rivals, the Superjews of Ajax).
Historically, Ajax was popularly seen as having "Jewish roots". Although not an official Jewish club like the city's WV-HEDW, Ajax has had a Jewish image since the 1930s when the home stadium was located next to a Jewish neighbourhood of Amsterdam-Oost and opponents saw many supporters walking through the Nieuwmarkt/Waterloopleinbuurt (de Jodenhoek—the "Jews' corner") to get to the stadium. The city of Amsterdam was historically referred to as a Mokum city, Mokum (מקום) being the Yiddish word for "place" or "safe haven", and as anti-Semitic chants and name calling developed and intensified at the old De Meer Stadion from frustrated supporters of opposing clubs like Ado Den Haag (Legia Warszawa's Dutch allie), Feyenoord (Rotterdam), PSV (Eindhoven, FC Utrecht and etc. Ajax fans (few of whom are actually Jewish) responded by embracing Ajax's "Jewish" identity: calling themselves "super Jews", chanting "Jews, Jews" ("Joden, Joden") at games, and adopting Jewish symbols such as the Star of David and the Israeli flag.
I probably already posted this video about the Amsterdam superjews of Ajax. Mind you these super jews are non jews.
Ajax Amsterdam Hooligans sing the Israeli anthem
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Post by pjotr on Jun 5, 2017 22:17:33 GMT 1
What do these Poznan idiots sing, Vilnius (Wilno) is Polish?
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Post by pjotr on Jun 5, 2017 22:37:04 GMT 1
Bonobo,
This hatred between Wisla and Crakovia fans is tribal, clan like and looks like the intense hatred between for instance Ajax Amsterdam and Feyenoord Rotterdam Hooligans (in 1997 a Ajax Hooligan was massacred by Feyenoord Hooligans). I have heard Polish Hooligans were killed and heavily wounded too. But this intense hatred is between two clubs from one city. In Rotterdam you don't have that intense hatred between Feyenoord Rotterdam and Sparta Rotterdam for instance. The hatred of the Feyenoord fans is directed to Ajax, and these fanatic soccer fans hate both Amsterdam (020) as city and Ajax (the club).
Indeed the Hooligan clashes look like Medieval battles between local war lords.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 5, 2017 22:38:24 GMT 1
The Dutch voice over speaker says. Legia supporters don't like curious journalists. These are hard core hooligans. In they day after their own match Ajax Amsterdam-Legia Warszawa, the Legia went back to the Hague to see a soccer match of their allies Ado Den Haag with their Ado The Hague Hooligan colleages. Here you see Legia Warszawa fans, who went to a match with one of their enemies, Ajax Amsterdam. Ajax Hooligans call themselves Superjews (Super Joden), and have the Israeli anthem as their club song. Israeli anthem? Great!  All those pacts and alliances are so funny. I never cease to be amazed by people who treat such follies as football seriously. Some are even ready to die for it. And they do. A fan of a local country team died during riots after being shot with a rubber bullet.        |
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Post by pjotr on Jun 5, 2017 22:51:31 GMT 1
Are these people simple minded, low educated, half criminal people? Or do Hooligans in Poland come from all social milieu's (social levels)? In the Netherlands and Great-Britain you have unemployed working class people amongst them, employed workers, middle class people and even intellectuals and students with an apatite for violence, aggression and belonging to a team.
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 5, 2017 23:07:36 GMT 1
Are these people simple minded, low educated, half criminal people? Or do Hooligans in Poland come from all social milieu's (social levels)? In the Netherlands and Great-Britain you have unemployed working class people amongst them, employed workers, middle class people and even intellectuals and students with an apatite for violence, aggression and belonging to a team. You hit the nail on the head - those hooligans are people with great appetite for aggressive tribal-like behaviour. They incessantly remind me of apemen  I suppose they come mostly from lower classes here in Poland and in other countries too, while other classes you mentioned are an exception. Generally, a person who became an intellectual through hard work in schools has more noble goals in life than beating people wearing different colours. |
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Post by pjotr on Jun 5, 2017 23:26:11 GMT 1
The Dutch voice over speaker says. Legia supporters don't like curious journalists. These are hard core hooligans. In they day after their own match Ajax Amsterdam-Legia Warszawa, the Legia went back to the Hague to see a soccer match of their allies Ado Den Haag with their Ado The Hague Hooligan colleages. Here you see Legia Warszawa fans, who went to a match with one of their enemies, Ajax Amsterdam. Ajax Hooligans call themselves Superjews (Super Joden), and have the Israeli anthem as their club song. Israeli anthem? Great! All those pacts and alliances are so funny. I never cease to be amazed by people who treat such follies as football seriously. Some are even ready to die for it. And they do. A fan of a local country team died during riots after being shot with a rubber bullet. Bo, Dutch jews have mixed emotions aboutg these non-Jewish Ajax fans using the words 'Jew' and 'Super Jew' at soccer matches, on the street, in public transport and etc. They certainly don't like the anti-semitic slogans of the Feyenoord Rotterdam, FC Utrecht, Ado Den Haag, PSV andother Dutch Hooligan firms. Hooligans are fanatic chaps, who are indoctrinated with the love for their soccer club by the fathers, mothers, grandfathers, neighbours, friends and etc. For some working class families their soccer club is their main hobby and aim in life. The walls of their home are in the colours of their club, the logo is on the wall of their house or in their bed rooms. Their duvet and pillows are in club colours, they have the flag of the club in their car or on their car. Ofcours they always wear their club colours in T-shirts, pullovers, sweaters, Baseball caps, posters, images (photographs), albums, dvd's, season card for matches, tickets for important home games and games abroad. These people spend thousands of Euro's per year for their club. Some people would nearly be buried in a coffin in the colors of their club.            Some hard core supporters paint their own car with great imagination. P.S.- I am not a very large soccer fan and am not a Feyenoord, nor an Ajax fan. I used Feyenoord as an example of club crazyness. |
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Post by pjotr on Jun 6, 2017 22:39:45 GMT 1
Euro 2012Poland's government came under fire for letting 5,000 Russian football fans celebrate their national day marking the end of the Soviet Union with a patriotic march through Warsaw. The nation's police also had been slammed for being too slow to react to the violence that erupted during the parade, which came ahead of Russia and Poland's 1-1 Euro 2012 draw. Ugly rioting saw 184 arrested, including 156 Poles and 24 Russians, and at least another 24 injured. PO Interior Minister Jacek Cichocki insisted that the 6,400 police, including 2,000 riot officers, sent to deal with the march to the stadium was sufficient. He told a news conference: 'In my opinion, the number of policemen was appropriate. I think the police performed well.' And he said he hoped the courts would severely punish all those caught fighting in the streets of the Polish capital. He added: 'When it comes to our hooligans, I hope the prosecutors and especially the courts will be strict and these people will fully feel the consequences of their antics.' Cichocki also said the detained Russians would face accelerated court procedure and would likely be expelled from Poland and banned from returning to Europe's border free Schengen area for five years. Many have questioned why the march was allowed in the first place, likening it to England fans marching through a German city to celebrate D-Day.  Polish and Russia fans kick off against each other after the match in Warsaw last night Battering: Punches, bottles and missiles were thrown despite the attention of 6,000 officers Battering: Punches, bottles and missiles were thrown despite the attention of 6,000 officers Despite the clashes, Poland's government has said it was happy with the number of police who were on patrol  Tension: Russia and Poland have a problematic history, which manifested in the violence between Polish and Russian Hooligans in 2014 A group of Polish football fans beat a Russian supporter during clashes between the two sets of rivals  Police were forced to stand guard during the match and even used a water cannon and rubber bullets to deter more violence Polish plain clothes policemen detained a number of fans as battles broke out in the streets Message: Russia's football fans display a giant banner during the Euro 2012 championships football match against Poland Armed guard: Russian football fans had to be protected by Polish riot police in Warsaw A Russian soccer fan fights with a Polish supporter, right, in Warsaw A Polish soccer fan lies on the ground after clashing with Russian supporters Police intervention as Polish and Russian fans clash during a march of Russian supporters to the National Stadium in Warsaw Polish and Russian fans clash caught lashing out at one another ahead of tonight's match An injured Russian football fan lies on the ground in need of medical with police at his side Streets of blood: The roads were covered red after the brutal clashes between rival 'fans' Police and fans clash during a march of Russian supporters to the National Stadium in Warsaw An injured Russian fan is seen as Polish and Russian fans clash ahead of the two nations' clash in the European Championships More fans from both sides clash ahead of the match between Poland and Russia Riot policemen stand guard during the match between the two nations Pitch battle: Polish armed officers take up their positions on the sidelines ahead of last night's match between Poland and Russia Clampdown: Stewards carry away a Russian who ran on the pitch after the game Heated: The players themselves even got involved in some tempestuous exchanges on the pitch Officers prepare to fire rubber bullets as the trouble threatened to get out of hand following the game
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Post by pjotr on Jun 6, 2017 22:52:07 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Jun 6, 2017 23:05:16 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 6, 2017 23:09:54 GMT 1
Euro 2012Many have questioned why the march was allowed in the first place, likening it to England fans marching through a German city to celebrate D-Day. Funny comparison. But I am afraid we will see a repetition of street fights during EURO 2018 in Russia. Russians never forget being wronged, they suppressed each Polish Rising crying : We shall never forget the Polish massacre of Russians!!! I propose only true Polish Cossacks* go to Russia to attend EURO. * kozak - BBB - brassy bravado badass |
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Post by pjotr on Jun 6, 2017 23:10:15 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Jun 6, 2017 23:41:58 GMT 1
Police often face extreme violence with these people
When large groups of Hooligans control a an area or city center you have dangerous anarchy, chaos, violence, agression, lynchings, war, and hurt people who will take their revenge later. It is an accumulation of violence. Most Hooligans have been beaten up, stabbed or punched or kicked in their face once in their Hooligan 'carreer'.
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 7, 2017 21:13:49 GMT 1
When large groups of Hooligans control a an area or city center you have dangerous anarchy, chaos, violence, agression, lynchings, war, and hurt people who will take their revenge later. It is an accumulation of violence. Most Hooligans have been beaten up, stabbed or punched or kicked in their face once in their Hooligan 'carreer'. Catch those guys with too much testosteron and send them to Syria to fight ISIS. Then they will be able to prove if they are really such cossacks.  |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 7, 2017 21:22:14 GMT 1
What do these Poznan idiots sing, Vilnius (Wilno) is Polish? Any means is good to provoke your rival. A provoked rival loses reason which makes them vulnerable to your attack. |
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Post by pjotr on Jun 8, 2017 16:27:35 GMT 1
Bo, It is like the Amsterdam Ajax Hooligans sing ' Bombs on Rotterdam' at the chorus of the famous Amsterdam folk song 'Tulips from Amsterdam' in the Rotterdam Feyenoord stadium. Rotterdam was bombed in May 1940. The F-Side and VAK410, two wellknown Ajax Hooligan firms often sing this song: If Spring arrives:If Spring arrives, we will throw bombs on Rotterdam (3x)
Thousend yellow ones, thousand red ones
Many wounded, but yet more dead,
What the Luftwaffe can't do
Does the F-Side (Ajax Amsterdam Hooligans) in Rotterdam
Does the F-Side in Rotterdam
(Melody: Tulps from Amsterdam)The reply of the Feyenoord Hooligans The anti-semitic slogan: Hamas Hamas, jews to the gas. It is amazing how deep the hatred between the rivals is. Real Feyenoord Rotterdam Hooligans hate 020 (the first marks of a regular Amsterdam phone number 020-12345676). The Rotterdam marks are 010. They dislike the Amsterdam city, the Amsterdam people and the soccer club Ajax. It is in their mind, brain, body and being. You are right Bo these are primitive people. With a tribal clan mentality. I just read that the hard core of Ajax Hooligans has notorious criminals of the organised crime scene from Amsterdam amongst them. Two of them attacked a Rotterdam Feyenoord pub in Rotterdam with a gun. They destroyed a Feyenoord mirror shooting at it and after that engaged Rotterdam cops in a fire fight. Hard drugs are part of the Hooligan scene over here. Dangerous chaps. Ofcourse the Hooligans of the Rotterdam, Den Haag, Eindhoven, Utrecht, Groningen, Alkmaar, Arnhem, Nijmegen, Breda and Den Bosch clubs are equally bad. But Amsterdam is the core of the Dutch organised crime syndicates. There are or were wellknow Hells Angels and Amsterdam gangsters who were and are Ajax fan and have connections with the Amsterdam Hooligans of Ajax. One well known criminal with Ajax sympathies and contacts with both the Hells Angels and Ajax Hooligans is Willem Holleder. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_HolleederCheers, Pieter |
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Post by pjotr on Jun 8, 2017 17:14:34 GMT 1
Good comparisson with these Jew and Pole murderers, the cossacks. Yeah, the cossacks had some sort of Hooligan mentality. Destroying cities, towns, villages, hamlets, smashing things to pieces, beating people up, murdering people if they have the chance to do it (both in the Netherlands and Poland Hooligans killed other Hooligans) and both cossacks and Hooligans like large quantities of alcohol, food and women.
One the other thread I made the daring comparission between the German Nazi SA and some branches of Hooliganism in Europe. Certain British, German, Russian, Serb, Croat, Italian, and probably Polish Hooligans too have links or connections with far right Neo-Nazi or Neo-fascist movements, political parties or groups in Europe.
The clan, tribal, city patriotism mentality of these hooligans often fits in the strategy, tactics, agitprop, merchandise, message, populism and radical appeal of these far right groups.
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 8, 2017 21:45:01 GMT 1
Good comparisson with these Jew and Pole murderers, the cossacks. Oops, a misunderstanding. In modern Polish, the term "kozak" is a positive expression refering to a brave daring male, able to undertake incredible stunts. I meant - we need true kozaks to stand up and endure the Russian pressure during EURO 2018 in Russia. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 8, 2017 21:52:45 GMT 1
Bo, It is like the Amsterdam Ajax Hooligans sing ' Bombs on Rotterdam' at the chorus of the famous Amsterdam folk song 'Tulips from Amsterdam' in the Rotterdam Feyenoord stadium. Rotterdam was bombed in May 1940. The F-Side and VAK410, two wellknown Ajax Hooligan firms often sing this song: If Spring arrives:If Spring arrives, we will throw bombs on Rotterdam (3x)
Thousend yellow ones, thousand red ones
Many wounded, but yet more dead,
What the Luftwaffe can't do
Does the F-Side (Ajax Amsterdam Hooligans) in Rotterdam
Does the F-Side in Rotterdam
(Melody: Tulps from Amsterdam)Cheers, Pieter Ooops, that`s really nasty. I repeat my opinion from previous posts - some football fans are animals regardless of the country, they can hardly be called human beings, they have underdeveloped brain circuitry. |
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Post by pjotr on Jun 8, 2017 23:12:01 GMT 1
I couldn't agree with you more. I regret the few moments I was alone in a Hooligan mass. For instance once in a train with brainless PSV Eindhoven Hooligans. They sang who doesn't stand is a jew, in Amsterdam it is quiet now, PSV, PSV, PSV. Cancer jews (meaning the Amsterdam Ajax supporters) and 'Hamas, Hamas, jews to the gas'. Even non soccer fans who were in the train, stood up under pressure of these Hooligans. There was one stubborn person who stayed in his chair, who didn't stood up. That person was me. I didn't sat relaxed at that moment, but couldn't stand up, I dind't wanted to be a brainless idiot, one of the mass. Took some risk, but made my statement.
I prefered the jew status over being a brainless idiot, who follows ridiculous orders. The funny thing was the fact that I was reading in the magazine 'De Groene Amsterdammer' (The Green Amsterdammer). For some reason these thugs left me alone, because I ignored them, but certainly must have looked annoyed.
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Post by pjotr on Jun 8, 2017 23:14:28 GMT 1
By the way if I have the chance I always avoid masses, wether they are soccer fans, religious mass gatherings, political mass meetings and every occasion where hystircal or brainwashed masses are present. Only in my professional duty as cameraman I sometimes come accross mass gatherings or meetings.
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 8, 2017 23:32:26 GMT 1
I couldn't agree with you more. I regret the few moments I was alone in a Hooligan mass. For instance once in a train with brainless PSV Eindhoven Hooligans. They sang who doesn't stand is a jew, in Amsterdam it is quiet now, PSV, PSV, PSV. Cancer jews (meaning the Amsterdam Ajax supporters) and 'Hamas, Hamas, jews to the gas'. Even non soccer fans who were in the train, stood up under pressure of these Hooligans. There was one stubborn person who stayed in his chair, who didn't stood up. That person was me. I didn't sat relaxed at that moment, but couldn't stand up, I dind't wanted to be a brainless idiot, one of the mass. Took some risk, but made my statement. I prefered the jew status over being a brainless idiot, who follows ridiculous orders. The funny thing was the fact that I was reading in the magazine 'De Groene Amsterdammer' (The Green Amsterdammer). For some reason these thugs left me alone, because I ignored them, but certainly must have looked annoyed. Peter, you are my man, I would do the same, giving up to brainless creatures is ignominous. Of course, we mustn`t forget there are really decent fans who reject violence and racist attitude. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 10, 2017 20:39:40 GMT 1
It is like the Amsterdam Ajax Hooligans sing ' Bombs on Rotterdam' at the chorus of the famous Amsterdam folk song 'Tulips from Amsterdam' in the Rotterdam Feyenoord stadium. Rotterdam was bombed in May 1940. The F-Side and VAK410, two wellknown Ajax Hooligan firms often sing this song: If Spring arrives:If Spring arrives, we will throw bombs on Rotterdam (3x)
Thousend yellow ones, thousand red ones
Many wounded, but yet more dead,
What the Luftwaffe can't do
Does the F-Side (Ajax Amsterdam Hooligans) in Rotterdam
Does the F-Side in Rotterdam
(Melody: Tulps from Amsterdam)Pieter The more I think about it, the less I can believe that the hatred is so intense, it totally got out of control. I cannot imagine that Krakow team`s fans will sing similar songs about the fate of Warsaw during WW2 - 1939, Ghetto Rising, Warsaw Rising, purpuseful demolition etc - if that happens one day, it will mean the end of the world as I know it. |
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Post by jeanne on Jun 10, 2017 22:15:42 GMT 1
What are these crazed fans thinking? There is enough violence and hatred in the world without their manufacturing more over sport competitions! Come on!!!  |
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Post by pjotr on Jun 13, 2017 2:03:46 GMT 1
Like Bo said these Hooligans look like Medieval primitive thugs with few braincells Jeanne. These are the low lifes of our European societies who like to destroy someone else, the cities of others. Some of these Hooligans have far right connections, criminal activities and connections. Others don't, but simply become primitive vandals, looters, rioters and destroyers in their spare time. Let's not give these people to much attention.
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Post by pjotr on Jun 13, 2017 2:08:48 GMT 1
These guys talk bullshit, are incredibly simple, filled with hatred and stupdity. These are Dutch Hooligans from Feyenoord, the soccer club from Rotterdam. They are probably the First or second generation Hooligans. You don't have to understand Dutch to understand this. You simply can hear and see this. Drunk, braindead simpletons with absolutely nothing intelligent, constructive or positive to say.
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