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Post by Bonobo on Jun 10, 2017 23:56:25 GMT 1
How long until there is another election??? Thank you for giving us hope!  2019. |
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Post by jeanne on Jun 11, 2017 2:03:59 GMT 1
How long until there is another election??? Thank you for giving us hope! 2019. Hang in there...only two more years!  |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 5, 2019 6:31:47 GMT 1
According to all indications, teachers` strike is going to take place on Monday. If the PiS government doesn` t fulfill the demands formulated by the two main trade unions, the protest might affect the final exams in elementary and junior high schools.
The trade unions` main demand is more money for teachers - additional 1000 PLN, about 300$, monthly. On average, novice teachers get less than novice policemen or soldiers, also it is suggested that cashiers in chain stores earn more. How do teachers justify their demands? The main reason, apart from low pay, is that the job is becoming more and more stressful, not only in result of decreasing discipline and students` low devotion to books, but also due to the controvercial reform which abolished junior high schools 3 years ago. That is why, this year two seperate grades are going to compete for places in high schools - 15- year -olds from reformed elementary schools and 16 -year-olds from old closed down junior high schools. It means twice as many as previously. High schools - lyceums, vocational schools and technical colleges are not made of rubber, how are they going to accommodate so many students? Even worse, experts predict that many students will be turned down by the schools they want to attend and will have to go to ones with free places, even vocational ones.
Additionally, the reform has caused incredible chaos in teachers` daily work because new curriculums are very tight and teachers are not able to fulfill the expectations of the Education Ministry. To be on time, they assign students giant amounts of homework which always causes giant frustration not only in students but also their parents who, in Polish case, often help their kids with schoolwork. Why the inability to fulfill expectations? The primary reason is that the material from previous 3- year junior high school was comprised into 2 last years of elementary school. Can you believe it? One year less than before. How crazy or stupid might one be to have concocted such absurdity?
Teachers have had enough and they are voting with their feet, quitting schools and looking for better paid positions, in banking, offices or corporations. There are fewer and fewer undergraduates who are willing to work in schools. E..g, I haven`t had a trainee teacher for about 3 years now, while in previous years there had been 2 a year on average. This means hardly anybody is interested in becoming a teacher. When the old teachers die out, who is going to work in schools? Cyborgs? Some subjects, like Polish class, should be taught by humans who feel all the intricacies in the attitudes of Kordian, Gustaw, Zbyszko and other characters from Polish literature. Even immigrants are reluctant to become teachers in Poland, I remember working with two female teachers of English, one Russian and another Ukrainian, but that was about 15-10 years ago.
Naturally, many people are critical of the strike. They claim that teachers have always complained about salaries and are insatiable. They officially do 18 classes a week to have a full time post (the least of all European countries). What is more, they enjoy not only 2 full months of summer holidays but schools also break up for Christmas, Easter and winter holidays. Additionally, teachers get various bonuses and benefits, e.g., 13th salary (whoopie, it always comes in March) Finally, if they don`t like their job, they can always change it and become chain store workers where allegedly they will earn more.
I still don`t know what to think of it. On the one hand, I will happily show PiS what I think of their moronic reforms. Besides, those rightists are giving away benefits like crazy, so why shouldn`t teachers take advantage of them, too?
On the other hand, strike might affect students taking exams. Also, I will lose a few hundred $ if the strike continues for a week or longer (nearly double full time in a state school, 34 classes per week).
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 8, 2019 21:31:28 GMT 1
Today teachers took the strike action, about 80% schools and kidergartens are closed, teachers come to their workplaces but refuse to run classes and take care of kids. PiS Minister of Education received a ban on public appeareances by her bosses and vanished, because her comments only added fuel to the fire. PiS pathetic losers. Now, it is either you or us.   |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 9, 2019 21:14:59 GMT 1
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Post by jeanne on Apr 14, 2019 0:10:03 GMT 1
Today teachers took the strike action, about 80% schools and kidergartens are closed, teachers come to their workplaces but refuse to run classes and take care of kids. PiS Minister of Education received a ban on public appeareances by her bosses and vanished, because her comments only added fuel to the fire. PiS pathetic losers. Now, it is either you or us. So...how are you spending your time? Are you going to school and sitting around with your cell phone like some in the photo? Can you sneak away to your country house and work in your garden? I'm being serious here...I'm not making light of the situation. I really don't think that you could tolerate just sitting in school doing nothing! |
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Post by jeanne on Apr 14, 2019 0:15:05 GMT 1
Naturally, many people are critical of the strike. They claim that teachers have always complained about salaries and are insatiable. They officially do 18 classes a week to have a full time post (the least of all European countries). What is more, they enjoy not only 2 full months of summer holidays but schools also break up for Christmas, Easter and winter holidays. Additionally, teachers get various bonuses and benefits, e.g., 13th salary (whoopie, it always comes in March) Finally, if they don`t like their job, they can always change it and become chain store workers where allegedly they will earn more. The words of these critics are the same things we hear in the U.S. about teachers. I'm sure this attitude toward teachers is a widespread problem... however, I did have the impression that teachers were held in high respect in Poland. Is this negative attitude a new development? Strikes are always messy business...I wish you and your colleagues good luck! |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 14, 2019 2:20:57 GMT 1
So...how are you spending your time? Are you going to school and sitting around with your cell phone like some in the photo? Can you sneak away to your country house and work in your garden? I'm being serious here...I'm not making light of the situation. I really don't think that you could tolerate just sitting in school doing nothing! however, I did have the impression that teachers were held in high respect in Poland. Is this negative attitude a new development? I cannot leave school during the strike, I cannot use the computer, I cannot do any teacher`s duties, my phone is good only for basic communication. I just read books, one daily. The library is closed so I bring them from home. Teachers are still traditionally held in high esteem though they prefer to complain they are not. It is true a lot of people critisize teachers but they do so about many things and people in Poland so it is a sort of standard behaviour here. |
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Post by jeanne on Apr 14, 2019 14:06:01 GMT 1
I just read books, one daily. The library is closed so I bring them from home. Do you fancy fiction or nonfiction? Yes, I think that is standard behavior in a lot of places. I fear it has something to do with human nature. But would we ever make progress as a species without the element of criticism? If no one criticized, we would never improve! |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 14, 2019 14:12:49 GMT 1
I just read books, one daily. The library is closed so I bring them from home. Do you fancy fiction or nonfiction? Yes, I think that is standard behavior in a lot of places. I fear it has something to do with human nature. But would we ever make progress as a species without the element of criticism? If no one criticized, we would never improve! I read everything but it must be either pure fiction or pure document. I hate mixtures that certain popular history journalists like to use to enlighten simpletons. Yes, criticism is good but must be contructive. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 23, 2019 17:07:27 GMT 1
By the way, what ever happened with the teachers' strike? Were any issues resolved? Perhaps you wrote about it in another thread, but if so, I missed it! The strike failed. The leaders suspended it officially till September, but in fact we lost. The government is going to grant some pay rises after holidays, though. |
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Post by jeanne on Jun 23, 2019 18:48:20 GMT 1
The strike failed. The leaders suspended it officially till September, but in fact we lost. The government is going to grant some pay rises after holidays, though. That's better than nothing...isn't it? I wonder if it will really happen... Plus, giving you some pay raises doesn't address the other issues that teachers were upset about (for example the tightness of and the changes regarding the new curriculum). It sounds like they want to toss you a little more money to shut-up and go back to work as usual! |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 23, 2019 18:56:00 GMT 1
Exactly.
The worst thing is there are no new teachers because young people prefer to make careers elsewhere. Big cities suffer from the lack of good quality staff, schools compete for them with each other. On the other hand, there are many teachers in the countryside but they don`t plan to move to cities.
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Post by jeanne on Jun 24, 2019 18:49:02 GMT 1
Exactly. The worst thing is there are no new teachers because young people prefer to make careers elsewhere. Big cities suffer from the lack of good quality staff, schools compete for them with each other. On the other hand, there are many teachers in the countryside but they don`t plan to move to cities. In the U.S. young people are not training to be teachers in the numbers they once were...plus, sadly, after a few years of teaching, young people leave the profession for something more lucrative and less stressful. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 29, 2019 19:00:54 GMT 1
Exactly. The worst thing is there are no new teachers because young people prefer to make careers elsewhere. Big cities suffer from the lack of good quality staff, schools compete for them with each other. On the other hand, there are many teachers in the countryside but they don`t plan to move to cities. In the U.S. young people are not training to be teachers in the numbers they once were...plus, sadly, after a few years of teaching, young people leave the profession for something more lucrative and less stressful. So, we have the same situation in our countries. Sooner or later it will be cyborgs doing the job. When in the USA, I went to the cinema to watch 3 films one after another. One of them was Class of 1999, about rowdy students who fight crazy cyborg teachers. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_of_1999 |
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Post by jeanne on Jun 29, 2019 19:06:02 GMT 1
In the U.S. young people are not training to be teachers in the numbers they once were...plus, sadly, after a few years of teaching, young people leave the profession for something more lucrative and less stressful. So, we have the same situation in our countries. Sooner or later it will be cyborgs doing the job. When in the USA, I went to the cinema to watch 3 films one after another. One of them was Class of 1999, about rowdy students who fight crazy cyborg teachers. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_of_1999Hmmm...I'm not sorry I missed that film. But who were the "good guys" and who were the "bad guys" in the movie? |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 29, 2019 20:19:33 GMT 1
So, we have the same situation in our countries. Sooner or later it will be cyborgs doing the job. When in the USA, I went to the cinema to watch 3 films one after another. One of them was Class of 1999, about rowdy students who fight crazy cyborg teachers. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_of_1999Hmmm...I'm not sorry I missed that film. But who were the "good guys" and who were the "bad guys" in the movie? The good guys were juvenile delinquents who didn`t want to learn, only pushed drugs and shot at each other. The bad guys were army androids turned into teachers but they went crazy and started killing students. |
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Post by jeanne on Jun 29, 2019 23:14:31 GMT 1
Hmmm...I'm not sorry I missed that film. But who were the "good guys" and who were the "bad guys" in the movie? The good guys were juvenile delinquents who didn`t want to learn, only pushed drugs and shot at each other. The bad guys were army androids turned into teachers but they went crazy and started killing students. Thanks for filling me in...but as I said, I'm not sorry I missed the film! |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 5, 2020 12:33:52 GMT 1
PiS government did nothing to prepare the educational system for online learning in the second wave of covid. What exactly hasn`t been done since March through summer holidays till today?: - there is no nationwide online education platform operated by Ministry of Education specialists - there are no deals with internet providers to offer better connections to households with kids covered by online learning, especially in the countryside - there are no trainings for teachers or parents how to use all available options of online learning. Things they have done? Useless site with lesson scenarios - far too few to be of real importance for teachers - e..g, foreign languages are not included. Funny. . And TV programmes which turned out a stand up cabaret mocked in mems and jokes.
Remember, dear students, diameter should be measured with a thermometer. |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 5, 2020 12:35:24 GMT 1
wyborcza.pl/Jutronauci/7,165057,26288947,czy-twoje-dziecko-zrozumie-janusza.html#S.jutronauci-K.C-B.1-L.1.maly
I usually read all articles related to education in Poland. I ran into a long informative one - it mentions many issues but the one which drew my attention is that PiS is deepening the unequalities among Polish students when their access to good education is concerned. How? For the few past years, PiS has been reducing the state education subsidy which is paid to local governments for the maintanance of schools and for teachers` salaries. Wealthy regions, especially in big cities or close to prospering industrial facilities, are still able to cope with the reduction - they have money to attract good teachers and develop facilities and educational resources. . But countryside/small town areas don`t have this money and the education there is gradually going to the dogs. Students who receive lousy education today will have serious problems in taking advantage of all opportunities in the same way as their better educated peers. With unfair access to education, the country will become an easy prey to harmful class divisions. Relations between people from different regions and with defferent education will be marked by unneccassary tensions and lack of understanding.
Yes, but isn`t it what PiS has always been trying to achieve: divide and rule the divided nation??
We must get united again, like in communist times, when Poles rose against their oppressors in 1980 and created Solidarity!!
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Post by jeanne on Nov 5, 2020 21:35:30 GMT 1
Yes, but isn`t it what PiS has always been trying to achieve: divide and rule the divided nation?? We must get united again, like in communist times, when Poles rose against their oppressors in 1980 and created Solidarity!! The nation seems pretty united in protesting the anti-abortion rulings...  |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 24, 2020 15:20:08 GMT 1
The nation seems pretty united in protesting the anti-abortion rulings... Well, it only looks so but in fact only the most annoyed and desperate youngsters protested. We shall know the real attitudes when there is a referendum. |
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Post by jeanne on Dec 24, 2020 19:01:55 GMT 1
The nation seems pretty united in protesting the anti-abortion rulings... Well, it only looks so but in fact only the most annoyed and desperate youngsters protested. We shall know the real attitudes when there is a referendum. Is there a referendum scheduled? |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 25, 2020 0:24:15 GMT 1
No, of course not. Rightists control the Parliament so a referendum is out of question. But the next election is in 2023, and we shall see who will take over if rightists lose. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 21, 2022 15:59:45 GMT 1
The latest tension between teachers and students concerns drinking alcohol at high school prom balls which are organised by students and their parents mostly out of school premises and the staff are only invited guests so why do they ban alcohol to students who are already adult?  A few cases of such conflicts surfaced recently - students even threatened to boycotte the event. katowice.wyborcza.pl/katowice/7,35063,28017664,regulaminy-studniowek-niezgodne-z-prawem-maturzysci-sa-pelnoletni.html?_ga=2.119380617.1832755589.1642513061-65316946.1638039262#a=190&c=8000
Regulations of proms illegal. "High school graduates are of legal age and their constitution is valid"
Magdalena Warchala-Kopeć
January 19, 2022 | 12:45
The ban on drinking alcohol or the ban on leaving the event area before its end are common provisions in the regulations of proms. Their authors say that at the school prom, young people must follow the rules. The problem is that proms are not school events, and high school graduates are of legal age.
"Prom, hereinafter referred to as >> prom," is a school celebration resulting from the tradition of Polish education, and in particular from the decades-long tradition of the Emilia Plater Secondary School No. 2 in Sosnowiec "- the regulations are available on the school's website.
Based on this statement, its authors further enumerate the rights and obligations of the participants of the event. The problem is that tradition is not the same as law. And according to the law, proms are not school events at all. - These are not events included in the educational law. They are organized by parents' councils or by informal groups of parents - repeatedly emphasized Anna Kij from the Board of Education in Katowice.
High school graduates of the Sports School Complex for them. Janusz Kusociński in Zabrze filled the dining room to the brim
Also read:
A new trend at proms 2022. After the prom, students bring food to the dining room
In the regulations of the Secondary School proms, there is a provision saying that the prom is organized by a team of parents, and the headmaster and teachers are only guests. Nevertheless, it was further written that "during the prom, school regulations apply". One of them is the ban on alcohol consumption. Such a provision is found in the regulations of almost all proms. Sometimes, as in the case of the IV LO im. Maczek in Katowice, this ban is accompanied by additional fortifications.
A prom in a place is not a school party
"The organizers and persons authorized by them have the right and obligation to confiscate the alcohol brought in. The confiscated alcohol will be returned to the parents / legal guardians of the prom participant" - it is stated in the regulations of the proms of this school.
The problem is that the high school graduates participating in the prom are nineteen years old. By law, they are allowed to drink alcohol, and their parents no longer have power over them. It is a violation of the law to inform them about the child's behavior, let alone hand over property confiscated from him.
As long as proms were held on the school grounds, there was no problem with introducing the ban on drinking alcohol. Everything has changed since partying in venues became fashionable. - By what law do guests prohibit adult organizers from drinking alcohol at their own party? If there is to be a prom, and not a private party, then it should be organized at school, and then the prohibition of serving and drinking alcohol in it results from the provisions of the law, the Act on Upbringing in Sobriety and Counteracting Alcoholism. At a private event, the school, as a public entity, is not allowed to issue bans, especially bans for which there is no legal basis - says Alina Czyżewska, activist of the Watchdog Polska Civic Network, which monitors compliance with the law by public institutions.
He emphasizes that nobody creates wedding regulations, orders for a white dress and penalties for getting drunk into the unconscious.
There is beer at the prom
Przemysław Fabjański, director of the University I LO im. Słowackiego in Chorzów says that there is no alcohol for students or teachers at "Słowaka's" proms. - We can have fun without it. We try to show young people that alcohol is not a necessary addition to every event. But at the prom, which was customarily held in June, there were never any obstacles to drinking beer together. However, this is a different, more relaxed situation regarding graduates and their former teachers - says director Fabjański.
The regulations of proms also regulate many other issues. The regulations of the 4th High School in Katowice prohibit leaving the event area. "A student (or a person accompanying him), leaving the prom before the end of the game, is obliged to inform the parents on duty in order to deregister from the list of participants. The exit will be treated as the end of participation in the ceremony." - What is the legal basis? After all, there is no provision that allows the guest to decide what the organizer of the event and its founder can do - emphasizes Czyżewska.
In turn, the regulations of the 4th High School in Częstochowa say that in the case of people who are under the age of 18 on the day of the event, their legal guardians are obliged to collect them in person after the end of the prom. "It is allowed to return independently only in the case of prior written consent of the legal guardian". Moreover, it was stipulated that the accompanying person cannot be a person who is not yet their 16th birthday. These provisions are also illegal.
Alcohol for teachers only
Czyżewska intervened many times in schools regarding the violation of the regulations of proms. They frequently include, for example, provisions regarding the obligation to provide detailed personal data of accompanying persons along with their dates of birth.
Czyżewska: - It can be immediately reported to the Personal Data Protection Inspector. Parents are not the authority entitled to demand anyone's data!
There were also provisions in the regulations regarding clothes or the fact that you can only come to the prom with a partner of the opposite sex, which discriminates against LGBT students.
Recently, Czyżewska intervened in the matter of the prom for students from the School Complex No. 1 in Krakow. The high school graduates were forbidden to consume alcohol, but it was to be bought at their expense to serve the teachers. Students were not allowed to leave the event area until 4. 20 days before the event, they had to provide full details of accompanying persons. Participants wishing to cancel less than 14 days before the ball were told they would not be refunded. For breaking the regulations, they were threatened with "civil and criminal liability". The regulations from ZS No. 1 were made available on Twitter by judge Maciej Czajka as an example of how not to organize a prom.
Directors and parents point out that the regulations are to ensure safety and cultural fun for young people. Czyżewska replies, however, that the idea of regulating every aspect of social life is a distortion of it.
Culture cannot be entered in the regulations
- Do schools think that if they write the order of cultural entertainment and the obligation of evening dress, which "should raise the importance of the celebration", they will make drinking alcohol with disadvantages, they will raise young people? at the premiere in the theater, but it belongs to the sphere of social and cultural norms, not the law, and it is a legal and educational mistake to regulate it with documents and draw consequences from it.
He also draws attention to the fact that in the past, students organized proms themselves and felt responsible for it. Now everything is taken care of by adults who want to impose everything: from menu selection to the applicable dress code.
Ewelina Stasik, director of High School No. 9, agrees with her. Wisława Szymborska in Sosnowiec: - I was looking for a legal basis that could help me, as director, in imposing anything or allowing anything during the prom. However, the law clearly states that adults, such as high school graduates, are bound by the constitutional provisions. We can introduce bans by regulations and statutes, but they may only apply to activities organized at the school or by the school. There was a symbolic champagne toast at our prom. Our students, as responsible persons, have adapted to this because they know that it is good not to use stimulants in the presence of teachers - says director Stasik. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 21, 2022 16:16:55 GMT 1
Another scandal
During one ball the DJ played a song whose chorus is J******. PiS which means Fekk PiS! One student shared the film in the media and the head teacher is going to punish him for that. Interviewed students claim nothing serious happened and they can sing and do what they want at their own ball. Let me add that the ball is organised by students and their parents and the staff are only invited as guests.
The scandal at the prom in Elbląg. High school students: it was our private party
- Can we dress how we want and eat what we want, and we can't listen to what we want? It was our private event - friends of the student from High School No. 3 in Elbląg tell the journalists of "Gazeta Wyborcza" and add that the matter is absurd for them. Meanwhile, the headmistress announces that he will punish the student who published the recording.
- It must not be forgotten that most of us are already 18 years old and at the prom we wanted to have the repertoire we listen to every day - says one of the students, emphasizing at the same time that blaming the person who shared the film online is "absurd "
- I do not think that punishing our friend with a reprimand is right. I guess we still have freedom of speech in Poland? - says another high school graduate
- In my opinion, he should not be punished for it at all. It was a private event and the headmaster, just like the teachers, was a guest there - adds a high school student from another class
The management itself is silent on this matter for the time being. So far, she has not answered the questions of "Wyborcza" journalists
You can find more such stories on the Onet homepage
The scandal related to the prom in Elbląg began to be loud after the material of the TVP Info station, which called the event a "scandal" and at the same time demanded "taking the consequences". It is about an event where high school students had fun to the music of Cypis, in which the slogan "J *** PiS" is used.
"J *** PiS" at the prom in Elbląg. High school principal: this is a lesson
On Wednesday, journalists from "GW" visited high school students to ask for their comments on the matter. Although most of them declined for fear of the consequences, "GW" spoke with several of them.
- Certainly songs with such a context were something that could have been avoided, so as not to arouse controversy, for example from the management and teachers - said "GW" a student from a high school student who made the recording public. - However, it must not be forgotten that most of us are already 18 years old and at the prom we wanted to have the repertoire we listen to every day - he adds, emphasizing at the same time that it is "absurd" to blame the person who made the movie available online.
Students of the Krakow school resign from their prom. No drinking, no smoking and the threat of being "held accountable"
- I do not think that punishing our friend with a reprimand is right. I guess we still have freedom of speech in Poland? Besides, he just uploaded the recording to the network - says another high school graduate.
Another high school student tells journalists that he does not understand what the punishment would be for. - We can dress how we want and eat what we want, and we can't listen to what we want? From tomorrow, they will start to control us, what are we listening to on the headphones? - he asks.
- In my opinion, he should not be punished for it at all. It was a private event and the headmaster, just like the teachers, was a guest there - adds a high school student from another class.
The chimes chimed noon. Old Polish prom in Białystok
In turn, a group of high school girls indicate that there was no similar noise after Jason Derulo's concert on "New Year's Dream" broadcast by TVP, where during his performances one could hear a lot of "ugly" words and curses.
The position of the school and the organizers
Meanwhile, the director of the 3rd High School of General Jana Pawła II in Elbląg, she announced in an interview with TVP Info that the student who published the recording would be punished.
After her statement, journalists from "GW" decided to find out what exactly a high school student would be punished for. So far, the editorial office has not received any answers to its questions.
Meanwhile, the comment was given by the company responsible for the musical setting during the prom. As Dariusz Brzozowski, an event consultant, wrote that "no one had agreed with us songs that we could not play before".
"At the outset, we would like to point out that the Studniówka event, which caused so much controversy, ran flawlessly. Young, adult people celebrated as befits graduates - culturally, without incidents or problems (...). For each occasion of this type, we prepare a list of songs, which includes both older and newer pieces. (...) With this type of events, it always happens that we play songs "on request". It was also this time - writes the consultant in a statement. He adds that the organizer of the game was the Council Parents, not school.
The scandal at the prom in Elbląg
The prom was held in Elbląg on January 15. It was organized outside the school and paid for by the parents of the students. Several teachers were invited to the game. After the prom, a video appeared on the network in which you can hear how high school students dance to Cypis's hit , in which the slogan "j *** ć PiS" appears.
The tutor could not be at their prom, so they decided to make an unusual gesture
"J *** PiS" is a popular slogan among opponents of the government. Sung to the rhythm of the song "Call on Me" spread during the protests of women after the verdict of the Constitutional Tribunal tightening the abortion law in Poland.
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