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Post by valpomike on Jul 5, 2011 1:19:39 GMT 1
To all, most of all, to those of you in Poland, have you read the white book, was launched at a Law and Justice press conference hosted by Jaroslaw Kacrynski, and in this they point the finger at Russian for Smolenski air crash.
Check it out, and let me know what you think.
I think it is true, and it has been long coming, and was due.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 5, 2011 17:03:22 GMT 1
Yes, I heard about it but I am not going to read it. Those guys from PiS are maniacs, Mike. ;D ;D ;D ;DThey have proven it during the last months when they spouted out incredible stories about the crash one after another. The PiS press conference on the day of the White Book publication:     
Opposition publishes ‘alternative’ Smolensk report
29.06.2011 15:33
Law and Justice (PiS), led by Jaroslaw Kaczynski, the twin brother of the late President Lech Kaczynski, has presented the first part of the so-called White Book report on the Smolensk tragedy of 10 April last year, days before the release of the official government version.
Law and Justice has been highly critical of both the Russian and Polish investigations into the tragedy which killed 96 politicians and top military brass, among others.
Shortly after the air crash in western Russia, the opposition party, closely associated with the late President Kaczynski, set up its own parliamentary committee headed by MP Antoni Macierewicz. The report represents the conclusions of the committee.
The White Book on Smolensk comprises 20 chapters and contains over 100 additional documents gathered and compiled by the team of Law and Justice MP investigators.
The first part of the report released today deals with alleged shortcomings of the Russian Interstate Aviation Committee’s (MAK) report released last year, though all of the criticisms have been made before by Law and Justice.
The second part of the document will be issued tomorrow and will detail criticisms of the Polish government’s investigation, the report of which is currently being translated into English and Russian and will be released shortly, possibly on Friday.
One of the conclusions of the first part of the Law and Justice report is that Russian protocol envisaged only the attendance of Prime Minister Donald Tusk at the 70th anniversary commemorations of the 1940 Katyn Massacre. Because of this, says the report, President Kaczynski’s arrival three days later in western Russia had been given the status of a private and not official state visit.
This had the consequence of downgrading security arrangements for the party led by Lech Kaczynski, says the report.
“The decision had been taken by the Russian side but it was approved by representatives of Mr. Tusk’s government,” MP Antoni Macierewicz said today as he launched the report.
“Nevertheless, the decision itself had been in Russian hands. Polish diplomats were informed openly that only Prime Minister Tusk will be guaranteed security, while the President’s visit remains of no interest to the Russian side,” he said.
Antoni Macierewicz also stressed that the doomed presidential Tupolev 154 had undergone a general overhaul barely a year before the crash at the Aviakor plant in Russian Samara.
Law and Justice reject the conclusions of the Russian report, which blamed pilot error for the crash. Antoni Macierewicz emphasises that air traffic control at the Smolensk airport did not give clear guidance to the pilots as they approached landing |
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Post by valpomike on Jul 5, 2011 21:01:02 GMT 1
But could this be the truth? We need to open our minds, and check both sides. I believe it.
Mike
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Post by glee ♥ on Jul 5, 2011 22:00:41 GMT 1
In the beggining of this think about crash I thought that it was Russian fault. Thn I realized that it's not true there are more reasons why the plane crashed. Recently I read the book "The Charm School" (Nelson DeMille) and now I don't know. I learned a lot of terrible things. I know it's in the half a fiction but this book is based on real facts.
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 5, 2011 22:31:06 GMT 1
Recently I read the book "The Charm School" (Nelson DeMille) and now I don't know. What is the book about? |
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Post by glee ♥ on Jul 6, 2011 18:19:42 GMT 1
oh it's about a place in Russia where Russians learn how to be Americans. It's top secret place called The Charm School. One of the tourist uncovers a conspiracy and so it begins. I recommend this book.
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Post by uncltim on Jul 6, 2011 21:36:27 GMT 1
This cannot be true! We Americans have no charm.  |
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 6, 2011 21:42:51 GMT 1
This cannot be true! We Americans have no charm. American McDonald`s has a lot of charm for my kids. |
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Post by glee ♥ on Jul 7, 2011 19:43:46 GMT 1
This cannot be true! We Americans have no charm. It's only a name of school don't worry  |
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Post by glee ♥ on Jul 7, 2011 19:45:30 GMT 1
This cannot be true! We Americans have no charm. American McDonald`s has a lot of charm for my kids. Not to me but maybe when I was kid I thought that McDonald was a dream. Now I know that if you want to eat sth nutritious you can't go to this place  |
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Post by uncltim on Jul 8, 2011 0:25:08 GMT 1
Americans cringe when people mention McDonalds.
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Post by valpomike on Jul 8, 2011 16:14:22 GMT 1
Why and when did we change, and are now talking on McDonalds? This topic was to be the White Book, and what you think of it.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 8, 2011 18:59:39 GMT 1
Why and when did we change, and are now talking on McDonalds? This topic was to be the White Book, and what you think of it. Mike Mike, the truth is like that - the White Book by PiS maniacs isn`t a serious topic. That is why the thread starts diverting. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by uncltim on Jul 8, 2011 19:37:04 GMT 1
The only honest answer about the origins of the plane crash is "I don't know". History is full of these kinds of incidents. Suspicious? yes. Motives? yes. Was this an intentional assasination? I don't know. Could it be? yes. I do know that when powerful interests are threatened they have no issue with spilling blood, lots of blood. History proves me right on this. Is this being exploited politically? yes. Should it be? maybe. Politicians grasp for anything to appeal to their base and try to bring others to their side. This is a devisive issue in Poland apparently. At best, all this fuss is political theater and both sides share a drink at the pub at the end of the day. Its a show to keep you and I busy arguing amongst our selves while the powerful do as they please while we are distracted. As a political atheist, this is what I've come to believe. FWIW. Technically, The plane was following an electronic signal to a point on the ground. If you move the transmitter to the forest, the aircraft will land in the forest. I don't really mean to fuel this conspiracy, but as a fairly high level technician, I can't avoid the thought exercise of how this could have happened. It would have to be done at a high level, but possible. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_landing_system |
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