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Post by gigi on May 10, 2008 19:07:46 GMT 1
Tomorrow is Mother's Day in many countries. I think it is a bit later in Poland - May 26th? How are Mother's Day and Father's Day traditionally celebrated in Poland?
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Post by gigi on May 13, 2008 15:42:49 GMT 1
I think I can answer my own question, and I found the information very interesting.
"The first celebration of Mother's Day in Poland took place in 1923 in Krakow, but this feast was not really very popular until the WW II and the years short after the war.
Mother's Day is marked with the special celebrations in schools and kindergartens. Younger children prepare so called "laurki" for their mothers (laurka - is a sheet of paper decorated with flowers on which children write their wishes to their mothers). Schools often carry special ceremonies or classes to commemorate Mother's Day."
And there is more...
"Men in Poland are now "burdened" with two occasions to adore their ladies with gifts and flowers, as the old custom of Women's Day (Dzien Kobiet) is still very popular as it used to be in the communist times. It is celebrated on March the 8th of each year. Women's Day is the old Polish version of the Valentine's Day with the one difference that all women are on the receiving side while all men are on the giving side. While the Valentine's Day is more privately celebrated between the lovers, the Women's Day is celebrated more as a national holiday for all women, whether they are 8, or 80 years old. At that day all women in Poland receive special attention (usually in the form of flowers) not only privately, but also at schools and at work (hospitals, offices, etc.). In addition to flowers, they sometimes receive greeting cards, which are not that popular in Poland as they are in North America.
There are no Men's Day in Poland and the Father's Day, although also exists, is almost unknown; unlike the very popular Mother's Day. Isn't it nice to be born a woman in Poland?"
Very nice, indeed! ;D
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Post by Bonobo on May 13, 2008 20:40:46 GMT 1
Tomorrow is Mother's Day in many countries. I think it is a bit later in Poland - May 26th? How are Mother's Day and Father's Day traditionally celebrated in Poland? Interesting. Why should they celebrate it earlier than 26th May? Mother's Day is marked with the special celebrations in schools and kindergartens. Younger children prepare so called "laurki" for their mothers (laurka - is a sheet of paper decorated with flowers on which children write their wishes to their mothers). Schools often carry special ceremonies or classes to commemorate Mother's Day." [/i][/quote] Probably only elementary classes carry ceremonies. Here is laurka:     What a shift of balance! yes, cards are less popular. I have never given a woman a card. They are silly. Flowers are more romantic and emotional, they are a real symbol of man`s involvement. You can buy your card weeks before the holiday and keep it to produce on the day. However, flowers require you to go to the florist`s and wait in queue, and this time spent on getting them is a sacrifice on the part of men which women appreciate. hahahahaha [/i][/quote] It depends. E..g, in my class girls celebrate Boys` Day by giving them funny kinky presents. Also some mothers incite their kids to prepare laurkas for fathers. |
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Post by gigi on May 13, 2008 21:47:17 GMT 1
" Different countries celebrate Mother's Day on various days of the year because the day has a number of different origins.
One school of thought claims this day emerged from a custom of mother worship in ancient Greece, which kept a festival to Cybele, a great mother of Greek gods. This festival was held around the Vernal Equinox around Asia Minor and eventually in Rome itself from the Ides of March (15 March) to 18 March.
The ancient Romans also had another holiday, Matronalia, that was dedicated to Juno, though mothers were usually given gifts on this day.
In some countries Mother's Day began not as a celebration for individual mothers but rather for Christians.
Mothering Sunday in Britain and Ireland
Mothering Sunday, also called "Mothers' Day" in the United Kingdom and Ireland falls on the fourth Sunday of Lent (exactly three weeks before Easter Sunday). It is believed to have originated from the 16th century Christian practice of visiting one's mother church annually, which meant that most mothers would be reunited with their children on this day. Most historians believe that young apprentices and young women in servitude were released by their masters that weekend in order to visit their families. As a result of secularization, it is now principally used to celebrate and give thanks for mothers, although it is still recognized in the historical sense by some churches, with attention paid to Mary the mother of Jesus as well as the traditional concept 'Mother Church'.
Mothering Sunday can fall at earliest on March 1st (in years when Easter Day falls on March 22nd) and at latest on April 4th (when Easter Day falls on April 25th).
Mother's Day in the United States
The United States celebrates Mother's Day on the second Sunday in May. In the United States, Mother's Day was loosely inspired by the British day and was imported by social activist Julia Ward Howe after the American Civil War. However, it was intended as a call to unite women against war. In 1870, she wrote the Mother's Day Proclamation as a call for peace and disarmament. Howe failed in her attempt to get formal recognition of a Mother's Day for Peace.
Her idea was influenced by Ann Jarvis, a young Appalachian homemaker who, starting in 1858, had attempted to improve sanitation through what she called Mothers' Work Days. She organized women throughout the Civil War to work for better sanitary conditions for both sides, and in 1868 she began work to reconcile Union and Confederate neighbors.
When Jarvis died in 1905, her daughter, named Anna Jarvis, started the crusade to found a memorial day for women. In 1907, she passed out 500 white carnations at her mother’s church, St. Andrew’s Methodist Episcopal Church in Grafton, West Virginia—one for each mother in the congregation. The first Mother's Day service was celebrated on 10 May 1908, in the same church, where the elder Ann Jarvis had taught Sunday School. Anna chose Sunday to be Mother's Day because she intended the day to be commemorated and treated as a Holy Day. Later commercial and other exploitations of the use of Mother's Day infuriated Anna and she made her criticisms explicitly known throughout her time.
Originally the Andrew's Methodist Episcopal Church, the site of the original Mother's Day commemoration, where Anna handed out carnations, this building is now the International Mother's Day Shrine (a National Historic Landmark). From there, the custom caught on—spreading eventually to 46 states. The holiday was declared officially by some states beginning in 1912, beginning with West Virginia. In 1914 President Woodrow Wilson declared the first national Mother's Day, as a day for American citizens to show the flag in honor of those mothers whose sons had died in war."And what mother would not be thrilled to receive such precious gifts? Indeed! ;D I agree with you about the cards. They are usually a bit trite and way overpriced - often $3-6 each in the U.S. Flowers can be very romantic, but the best is a hand written original poem. It would probably be a sacrifice for some men, for even those with a poet's talent may not have the courage to put their feelings into words. Yes, I remember seeing a thread about "French Letters" that included some interesting photos. Perhaps such items might be more appropriate for Valentine's Day. Of course, they wouldn't be appropriate for Mother's Day because if one is celebrating Mother's Day then such a gift would have been given a bit too late...  |
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Post by Bonobo on May 13, 2008 22:08:35 GMT 1
And what mother would not be thrilled to receive such precious gifts? I don`t know. I have never been a mother..... Writing a poem isn`t a problem. Today there are electronic poets, programs to write verses.  |
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Post by gigi on May 14, 2008 1:51:33 GMT 1
Writing a poem isn`t a problem. Today there are electronic poets, programs to write verses. I think that by choosing such an option the only thing a man would gain is he could keep the $3-6.  |
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Post by gigi on May 14, 2008 11:55:01 GMT 1
On the Women`s Day, let me offer you the warmest respect. The offerers` names are Mike and Bonobo. The recipients, in the alphabetical order: Jeanne, Livia, Ola and all anonymous women who visit us but are too shy to let us know about it. Alas, I had to look no further than this forum to find a nice example of genuine sentiment. No electronic poetry tools or standing in line sacrifices required.  |
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Post by Bonobo on May 14, 2008 19:17:58 GMT 1
On the Women`s Day, let me offer you the warmest respect. The offerers` names are Mike and Bonobo. The recipients, in the alphabetical order: Jeanne, Livia, Ola and all anonymous women who visit us but are too shy to let us know about it. Alas, I had to look no further than this forum to find a nice example of genuine sentiment. No electronic poetry tools or standing in line sacrifices required. Alas, you know how to do the effective digging! ;D ;D ;D ;D Verily, I posted those wishes to our women then. See how nothing is permanent in life? Only Jeanne remained with us. Livia left for NYC and her roundabouts are unknown, Ola vanisehd into thin air. But there is you and PinkDream. So, many happy returns of the Women`s Day to you! See how Polish men win their women`s hearts by giving them flowers:    They get then here. Flowers, of course.  |
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Post by gigi on May 16, 2008 4:19:09 GMT 1
Alas, you know how to do the effective digging! ;D ;D ;D ;D Verily, I posted those wishes to our women then. See how nothing is permanent in life? Only Jeanne remained with us. Livia left for NYC and her roundabouts are unknown, Ola vanisehd into thin air. But there is you and PinkDream. So, many happy returns of the Women`s Day to you! I have been enjoying reading through the forum's past posts. I have a lot of catching up to do! Thank you for the Women's Day wishes. |
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Post by gigi on Jun 14, 2008 14:36:51 GMT 1
Happy Father's Day tomorrow to Mike and Franciszek! Bonobo and tufta, I wish you a Happy Father's Day on June 23rd! I know that it is not such a big celebration in Poland, but if you do celebrate it with your families we would enjoy hearing about it! |
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Post by valpomike on Jun 14, 2008 17:03:40 GMT 1
Thank you very much. It is a big day in our home. All the children, but my son, who lives in Florida, will be here, with the three grandchildren. I will be great. But I have to feed them all.
And they can eat. But so what.
To all the Dad's out there, have a great Father's Day, and remember children and grandchildren is everything, make the best of it.
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Post by valpomike on Jun 14, 2008 17:27:52 GMT 1
To all of those living in Poland, you need to start working on FATHERS DAY, it is a big thing. A man gives his life to his family, and tries to give them everything they need and want.
Here in the U.S.A. many children don't even know who there father is, or where he is, but for those who do, it is a great day.
HAPPY FATHERS DAY TO ALL OF YOU FATHERS EVERYWHERE.
Start this up in Poland, and make it a big day there also, you can do it.
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 14, 2008 20:01:21 GMT 1
Happy Father's Day tomorrow to Mike and Franciszek! :DBonobo and tufta, I wish you a Happy Father's Day on June 23rd! I know that it is not such a big celebration in Poland, but if you do celebrate it with your families we would enjoy hearing about it! Really, on 23 June?? I had no idea whatsoever. I don`t celebrate the day. I don`t celebrate my birthday or nameday in any spectacular way either. Actually, I hate all celebrations which concern my person. When my family wish me on special occasions, I feel embarassed and want to quit. I am a shy guy. ;D But I have to feed them all. And they can eat. But so what. But I thought food in America is cheap? Unless you feed them on caviar! To all of those living in Poland, you need to start working on FATHERS DAY, it is a big thing. A man gives his life to his family, and tries to give them everything they need and want. Start this up in Poland, and make it a big day there also, you can do it. I don`t care about celebrating the day. Special days are artificial. But I do care when my son comes to me and talks about his successes, failures, problems and joys. When he is older, I would like him to come and talk too, e..g, about his first love. It is hundredfold more than I can receive on Father`s Day. Yes, I read the articles about it, the situation in US is alarming, so many children don`t have fathers, in result boys can`t learn how to be responsible and mature, girls can`t learn how to love a man. |
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Post by valpomike on Jun 14, 2008 22:33:40 GMT 1
No food is not cheap here, I just got back from the store, and the bill was $201.00, for nothing, no meats, or anything big. And there are just to two of us, and the children when they come over.
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Post by jeanne on Jun 14, 2008 22:48:50 GMT 1
Thank you very much. It is a big day in our home. All the children, but my son, who lives in Florida, will be here, with the three grandchildren. I will be great. But I have to feed them all. And they can eat. But so what. To all the Dad's out there, have a great Father's Day, and remember children and grandchildren is everything, make the best of it. Mike, It sounds like you will have a great day! Enjoy your family! |
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Post by gigi on Jun 14, 2008 23:32:29 GMT 1
Actually, I hate all celebrations which concern my person. When my family wish me on special occasions, I feel embarassed and want to quit. I am a shy guy. ;D Are you certain you have the correct meaning for the word shy???  Food is getting very expensive, especially dairy products, fresh fruits and vegetables, and grain-based items. Part of it is the cost of farming and the decreasing number of farms. But now rising fuel prices are significantly affecting prices on food because of the associated transportation costs. I have been wondering about jeanne's dairy farmer daughter and whether she got into farming for her own family or if she sells some of what she produces. I am envious of jeanne - she has access to fresh seafood and dairy products, and they are hopefully less expensive for her! I think that Mike's celebration sounds wonderful and not at all artificial. What better way to celebrate being a father than gathering your family together for food and companionship? That kind of open communication is a sure sign that you have a strong father-son relationship. I wonder what kind of advice you will give him! Have you had any questions yet that will eventually lead to...you know..."the talk"? I am hoping that will be down the road a ways, but kids learn about such things so early now! |
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Post by jeanne on Jun 15, 2008 2:10:12 GMT 1
Are you certain you have the correct meaning for the word shy??? I was also wondering the same thing.... Three or four years ago, when my daughter was in college, she became very interested in the local food/organic food movement. She went to a small, alternative college in the Blue Ridge Mtns of North Carolina because she wanted something other than the "rah-rah" typical college experience, and it was there that her interest really developed. Just before her senior year, she met a young man from Vermont whose family owned a former dairy farm, no longer in use except for producing maple syrup. As the two of them developed their relationship, they also developed a dream of revitalizing his family farm and making it an organic dairy farm. They married last summer. The dream of using the family farm for their purposes did not work out because of all the relatives who had an interest in it, and their conflicting views and opinions. My daughter and her husband decided to strike out on their own. They are renting a farm, have acquired a small herd of cows, and this past April began shipping organic milk to a company they have a contract with! They are very excited to be finally living their dream, though the work is exhausting and difficult! Since I live in Massachusetts and they live about three and a half hours away in Vermont, I don't get much of an opportunity to partake of any farm products. Besides that, they drink raw, unpasteurized milk, believing it to be the most nutritious, and I just cannot bring myself to do that. When I visit in the summer, though, I do get to enjoy much fresh, organic produce, as my son-in-law's brother has managed to begin vegetable farming on the family farm and raises wonderful crops! And of course, there are eggs from my daughter's chickens (free-range/organic) which she keeps mostly just for family use. |
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Post by tufta on Jun 16, 2008 8:14:32 GMT 1
Happy Father's Day tomorrow to Mike and Franciszek! Bonobo and tufta, I wish you a Happy Father's Day on June 23rd! I know that it is not such a big celebration in Poland, but if you do celebrate it with your families we would enjoy hearing about it! Gigi, it is so sweet of you! Thank's a lot!! |
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Post by valpomike on Jun 16, 2008 17:57:22 GMT 1
Remember, without a father, there could be no mother's. We work as a team. It takes two to make a child. And good parents stay with that child for life.
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 17, 2008 20:15:55 GMT 1
Besides that, they drink raw, unpasteurized milk, believing it to be the most nutritious, and I just cannot bring myself to do that. I have always liked milk straight from the cow. Warm, foamy, with this delicate but distinct taste of fat in it. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 17, 2008 21:57:12 GMT 1
Actually, I hate all celebrations which concern my person. When my family wish me on special occasions, I feel embarassed and want to quit. I am a shy guy. ;D Are you certain you have the correct meaning for the word shy??? Yes. Why?  Even if it gets a bit more expensive, the percentage of food expenses is about 10-15% in the US. Poland has a ratio twice as high. Special days are artificial. E.g., giving one`s woman flowers on 8 March and treating her badly on the rest of the days is the best example. The same with other days. It is not as strong as I wish. He is already very independent and has his own opinion and tries to impose it on us. Then I have to enter and use my authority which isn`t a nice thing.... But it must be so. There is no other way - we have tried mild persuasion and it didn`t work. The one I would use for myself, of course. Actually, we haven`t had a serious talk about sex. We might have discussed it in the past but it was kid`s talk, you know, about a daddy planting a tiny seed in mummy`s stomach and it growing into a baby. But he is vividly interested in girls. I was really amazed how in kindergarten he and other guys had girlfriends and they chased and kissed them, and they were so happy. The same with younger 5 year old one. One day the teacher told us about a conversation she overheard: "I won`t marry Julie because I am tired of waiting. I will find another girl" If they hadn`t been walking in the park at the time, she would have rolled on the floor, laughing. That is the influence of TV. Kids get "mature" too early. |
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Post by valpomike on Jun 18, 2008 0:36:58 GMT 1
If you still have questions on Sex, you can ask me.
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Post by tufta on Jun 18, 2008 11:34:17 GMT 1
Besides that, they drink raw, unpasteurized milk, believing it to be the most nutritious, and I just cannot bring myself to do that. I have always liked milk straight from the cow. Warm, foamy, with this delicate but distinct taste of fat in it. ... full of streptococci and coli germs ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by jeanne on Jun 18, 2008 22:59:48 GMT 1
I have always liked milk straight from the cow. Warm, foamy, with this delicate but distinct taste of fat in it. ... full of streptococci and coli germs ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D This is why I don't drink it... You'll be happy to know, however, that my daughter and son-in-law get extra money for the milk they are shipping because it is very low in bacteria, way below the allowable levels... Plus they get extra because the milk is high in protein and high in butterfat...all considered excellent qualities of milk! |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 18, 2008 23:18:54 GMT 1
I have always liked milk straight from the cow. Warm, foamy, with this delicate but distinct taste of fat in it. ... full of streptococci and coli germs ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D This is a major exaggeration. I have drunk unprocessed milk since I was 5 and I have never had any problems with my stomache. Why should milk contain bacteria? Farmers drink it themselves, or sell to local people, their neigbours. We drink milk at our village friends` and it is OK. Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Again. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by tufta on Jun 19, 2008 9:38:06 GMT 1
... full of streptococci and coli germs ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D This is why I don't drink it... You'll be happy to know, however, that my daughter and son-in-law get extra money for the milk they are shipping because it is very low in bacteria, way below the allowable levels... Plus they get extra because the milk is high in protein and high in butterfat...all considered excellent qualities of milk! Good for your children! To tell the truth my children drunk unprocessed goat milk in large quantities, from a nearby farm. This is due to allimentary allergy of one of them. But the milk as well as the donors were checked by the vet. I never drink unprocessed milk, be it from goat or cow, I don't like this specific shade of taste. |
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Post by tufta on Jun 19, 2008 9:39:07 GMT 1
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Again. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by jeanne on Jun 19, 2008 11:24:03 GMT 1
... full of streptococci and coli germs ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D This is a major exaggeration. I have drunk unprocessed milk since I was 5 and I have never had any problems with my stomache. Why should milk contain bacteria? Farmers drink it themselves, or sell to local people, their neigbours. We drink milk at our village friends` and it is OK. Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Again. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You sound like my daughter...you two see eye to eye! |
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Post by jeanne on Jun 19, 2008 11:28:30 GMT 1
Good for your children! To tell the truth my children drunk unprocessed goat milk in large quantities, from a nearby farm. This is due to allimentary allergy of one of them. But the milk as well as the donors were checked by the vet. I never drink unprocessed milk, be it from goat or cow, I don't like this specific shade of taste. I do like the taste of raw milk...I'm still just a bit wary of the contents! As I tell my daughter "I'm just not there yet...but perhaps someday I will be..." |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 20, 2008 20:40:46 GMT 1
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Again. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I am glad you don`t take it personally. You see, disagreeing and having a discussion afterwards are my favourite activities in forums. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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