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Post by tufta on Sept 23, 2011 5:35:59 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Sept 23, 2011 9:36:35 GMT 1
Tufta,
You think rationally, tactical and strategic. The Netherlands is this moment in a political split situation. The right and left hold eachother hostage in the budgetary debate, in internal and foreign affairs. The Rightwing Populist the PVV tolerates the centre-right minority government coalition of the moderate centre-right VVD and CDA, but is increasingly a problem for the same government as a deviding power. The PVV has often a harsher and more fierce opposition towards the coalition government than a lot of the centre-left and left opposition parties. Especially the centrist and not xenophobe Christian-Democrats (CDA) are being increasingly dissatisfied with the rudeness and verbal attacks of Geert Wilders (PVV). Tufta, your analysis is correct.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pjotr on Sept 24, 2011 0:12:36 GMT 1
Tufta, They don't think about that consequences because they are to bussy navel-gazing, because The Hague and Helsinki are the centre of the world for many Dutch and Fins. They simply believe the stereotype of the criminal and dangerous Rumanians. Rumanians are seen as poor, primitive, thieves, robbers and murderers. A country near to the bloody Balkans, where al people have dragon blood.  Rumanians are a latin, romanesque people, so they are probably better of in latin, Roman countries in Europe, like Italy, Spain, France and other places. In Germanistic countries it is more difficult for them. I don't know how the Poles look at Rumania, a non-Slav country at the crossroads of Central and Southeastern Europe. Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by tufta on Sept 24, 2011 7:28:24 GMT 1
Hi Pieter. The shortest way to overcome the present crisis in the EU is getting together even stronger. The sociological problems you mention for the smaller countries who simply bu the twist of hisotory were in 20th century in the more lucky part of Europe, are present in the larger one's too. Yet the general 'output', I mean politically, is a little bit different there, more calm, nuanced, more... diplomatic, so to say. EU will surivive, in this or other form, and euro, the currency too, even if that will require a default of Greece. I understand that some dream of 'Northern Euro'/'Southern Euro' split, just as Lega Lombarda dreams of splitting from the South of Italy. But in case of the Euro - it is simply not feasible. No WE bank would be able to survive the effects of such a move, to the best of my knowledge. And the domino effect would cause something much worse than the 1930ties crisis. What Netherlands ro Finnland now do is working for widespread disrespect in the Balkan countries, which will come back to hit them in future when these countries become more anchored in the union, more affluent etc. And this times will come sooner than later because - in contrast to the 20 century and earlier times, they have equal access to know-how and 'knowledge per se' as the Western European countries. We have to note that both Bulgaria and Romania has their access to Schengen already agreed, and now all of a sudden, because of the protest of two smaller countries they have been treated extemely unfair. The fact how the Romanians are stereotyped in some countries by the populist or uninformed/uneducated masses IMO does not justify one iota the decisions of governments. It is their internal problem, so to say. Pieter, I hope you undestand it is nothing personal!  My best regards to you, my virtual friend! |
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Post by pjotr on Sept 24, 2011 15:00:06 GMT 1
Hi Pieter. The shortest way to overcome the present crisis in the EU is getting together even stronger. The sociological problems you mention for the smaller countries who simply bu the twist of hisotory were in 20th century in the more lucky part of Europe, are present in the larger one's too. Yet the general 'output', I mean politically, is a little bit different there, more calm, nuanced, more... diplomatic, so to say. EU will surivive, in this or other form, and euro, the currency too, even if that will require a default of Greece. I understand that some dream of 'Northern Euro'/'Southern Euro' split, just as Lega Lombarda dreams of splitting from the South of Italy. But in case of the Euro - it is simply not feasible. No WE bank would be able to survive the effects of such a move, to the best of my knowledge. And the domino effect would cause something much worse than the 1930ties crisis. What Netherlands ro Finnland now do is working for widespread disrespect in the Balkan countries, which will come back to hit them in future when these countries become more anchored in the union, more affluent etc. And this times will come sooner than later because - in contrast to the 20 century and earlier times, they have equal access to know-how and 'knowledge per se' as the Western European countries. We have to note that both Bulgaria and Romania has their access to Schengen already agreed, and now all of a sudden, because of the protest of two smaller countries they have been treated extemely unfair. The fact how the Romanians are stereotyped in some countries by the populist or uninformed/uneducated masses IMO does not justify one iota the decisions of governments. It is their internal problem, so to say. Pieter, I hope you undestand it is nothing personal! My best regards to you, my virtual friend! Tufta, Again great rational-analythical description of the European situation I the sense of the European Union, smaller and larger member states. The disunity, disrespect, xenophobia and rejection of the Southern-East-European people and countries by the smaller West-European nations we are talking about here, may lead to future problems for these West-European countries themselves. It is a stupid attitude from various points of view. First financial-economical, these countries if accepted and developped through the injections of the European structural funds, (private corporate) foreign investments, new infrastructures, political reforms, new legislation and better education, because of that, will have new markets, human capital (new generations that benefit from the transformation, reforms, new education and new media, technology and infrastructure). Most Dutch and Fins forgot to follow the development in Romania. Did not see that the Italians made mass investments in Romanian real estate, horeca, tourism, and the financial sector. Next to the Italians the Romanians atrackted German and French investments. ( the words above here are written by Pieter, the information under here is partly wikipedia and after the youtube's it are my words again) Since 2000, Romania has attracted increasing amounts of foreign investment, becoming the single largest investment destination in Southeastern and Central Europe. Foreign direct investment was valued at €8.3 billion in 2006. According to a 2006 World Bank report, Romania currently ranks 55th out of 175 economies in the ease of doing business, scoring higher than other countries in the region such as the Czech Republic. Additionally, the same study judged it to be the world's second-fastest economic reformer (after Georgia) in 2006. Romania is a country of considerable economic potential: over 10 million hectares of agricultural land, diverse energy sources ( coal, oil, natural gas, hydro, nuclear and wind), a substantial, if aging, manufacturing base and opportunities for expanded development in tourism on the Black Sea and in the mountains. Romanian industryRomania has been successful in developing its industrial sector in recent years. Industry and construction accounted for 32% of gross domestic product ( GDP) in 2003, a comparatively large share even without taking into account related services. The sector employed 26.4% of the workforce. Romania excels in the production of automobiles, machine tools, and chemicals. Motor vehicle production tripled in the 2000s, but still lags behind neighbouring countries such as Hungary or Ukraine. In 2004 Romania enjoyed one of the largest world market share in machine tools ( 5.3%). Romanian-based companies such as Dacia, Petrom, Rompetrol, Bitdefender, Romstal and Mobexpert have expanded operations throughout the region. However, small- to medium-sized manufacturing firms form the bulk of Romania's industrial sector. ServicesIn 2003 service sector constituted 55% of gross domestic product (GDP), and the sector employed 51.3% of the workforce. The subcomponents of services are financial, renting, and business activities (20.5%); trade, hotels and restaurants, and transport (18%); and other service activities (21.7%). The service sector in Romania has expanded in recent years, employing some 47% of Romanians and accounting for slightly more than half of GDP. The largest employer is the retail sector, employing almost 12% of Romanians. The retail industry is mainly concentrated in a relatively small number of chain stores clustered together in shopping malls. In recent years the rise of big-box stores, such as Cora ( hypermarket) (of France) and Carrefour (a subsidiary of the French), have led to fewer workers in this sector and a migration of retail jobs to the suburbs. Source: wikipedia www.investmentromania.com/The new reality many Dutch don't want to see or see Two Romanian students of the private university Roosevelt academy in Middelburg (The Netherlands) Conclusion you can't stop the educational, financial-economic, political and cultural integration of Romania (and Bulgaria) which is already taking place. You have Dutch speaking Rumanians, Bulgarians, Bosnians (the Editor-in-chief of TV Arnhem, my colleage, is Bosnian-Muslim - a blond blue eyed, very smart and beautiful young woman - with Serb family members), Serbs, Croats, Slovenians, Macedonians and others. They will have to go the same way as the Poles before them unfortunately, the stereotypes, the xenobhobia, the rudeness of small minded (uneducated or uncivilized) Dutch people and politicians. From the other side they have the respect of their colleages. Some of them have the luck that they live with their family (father, mother, brothers and sisters and sometimes aunts and uncles), that they have stabile relationships with good Dutch or foreign partners (the Editor-in-chief of TV Arnhem has a Dutch Turkish husband). This is the New Europe and the new Netherlands, there is discomfort and there are tensions, but this intelligent (intellectually they are part of a new media intelligentsia) Bosnian-Turkish couple is DUTCH, their children will speak DUTCH. The reality is that many migrant kids speak the language of their parents and ancesters badly, that they are more Dutch than Turkish, Moroccan or Polish. Many of them speak both languages and enrich the Netherlands with that. Like the Roman-Catholic and Protestant many Muslim migrant youth are secularised. They don't go to the Mosque every week, but do not reject their cultural and religious heritage. Demographically, politically, social-cultural, financial-economical and from a human perspective the xenophobia, racism and thus stereotypes are not beneficial towards the future of the Netherlands, nor for the future political position of the Netherlands in the Union. And the other sideen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance-speaking_Europepl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_łacińska |
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Post by valpomike on Sept 24, 2011 19:28:02 GMT 1
To Pjotr and all,
Understand what this man, Tufta tells you, he is a very smart man, who has been there, and done it. We can all learn from this man.
Mike
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Post by pjotr on Sept 24, 2011 19:33:30 GMT 1
To Pjotr and all, Understand what this man, Tufta tells you, he is a very smart man, who has been there, and done it. We can all learn from this man. Mike Mike, You don't have to explain that to me, because I know that. I respect and understand Tufta's opinion, and often learn things from what he writes, like his last post. That is also the quality of this Forum. Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by pjotr on Sept 24, 2011 19:35:02 GMT 1
Poland–Romania relations Polish-Romanian relations are foreign relations between Poland and Romania. Both countries established diplomatic relations on February 9, 1919. Poland has an embassy in Bucharest. Romania has an embassy in Warsaw and 3 honorary consulates (in Gdynia, Katowice and Poznań). Both are full members of NATO and of the European Union.  Polish embassy in BucharestAccording to the poll conducted by CBOS in 2010, 36% of Poles declare neutral attitude towards Romanians, 26% view Romanians positively and 34% negatively. Many Poles mistakenly identifies Romanians as Gypsies.  A woman lights a candle in front of the Polish Embassy in Bucharest in memory of the victims of the Polish government aircraft crash.
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Post by pjotr on Sept 24, 2011 20:33:21 GMT 1
Bilateral Economic Relations (between Romania and the Netherlands) Romanian-Dutch tradeMain Romanian exports to the Netherlands: machinery and mechanical appliances, electrical equipment, vehicles and associated transport equipment, base metals and articles of base metal, miscellaneous manufactured articles, textiles and textile articles, footwear, headgear, umbrellas and similar articles, plastics, rubber and articles thereof. Main Romanian imports from the Netherlands: machinery and mechanical appliances, electrical equipment, chemical products, vehicles and associated transport equipment, live animals and animal products, prepared foodstuffs, beverages and tobacco, plastics, rubber and articles thereof, vegetable products. Dutch investments in RomaniaThe Netherlands is the main foreign investor in Romania, with a total amount of over EUR 5.85 billion (31 December 2010), meaning about 20.07% of the total foreign investments. Among the main Dutch investors in Romania are ABN AMRO Bank ( www.abnamro.nl/en/index.html ), Damen Shipyards ( www.damen.nl/ ), Den Braven ( www.denbraven.nl/en/home ), EVW Holding ( www.evwholding.ro/p.php?p=evw-index&lang=en ), Frans Maas (The Danish-Dutch www.dsv.com/ ), Friesland Coberco ( www.frieslandcampina.com/english/ www.campina.nl/ ), Heineken, ING Group ( www.ing.com/Our-Company.htm ) , ISDC ( www.isdc.eu/ ), KLM ( www.klm.com/travel/nl_en/index.htm ), KPMG ( www.kpmg.com/nl/en/pages/default.aspx ), Nuon ( www.nuon.nl/ ), Nutricia ( www.nutricia.nl/ ), Philips ( www.philips.com/global/index.page ), Remco, Stork Fokker ( www.stork.com/ www.fokker.com/ ), Unilever ( www.unilever.ro/ ), UPC ( www.upc.nl/ ), Verder ( www.verder.com/ ), Wavin ( nl.wavin.com/nl/index.html ) Main business fields with high potential for bilateral cooperation: energy and environment, infrastructure development, industrial subcontracting, agriculture, tourism, information technology and telecommunications. Source: Romanian embassy The Hague, Netherlands ( www.haga.mae.ro/index.php?lang=en )
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Post by pjotr on Sept 25, 2011 8:07:07 GMT 1
 Dutch Romanian Network The Dutch Romanian Network ( DRN) is established by and for entrepreneurs who do business in Romania. Since our start in 2007, it has been clearly fulfilling a need in the business community. As we might conclude looking at the rapid grow of memberships of our Network and the large number of business people attending our meetings. So there might be a big chance you will meet your future customers on our next network meeting, or learn something which could be vital for managing your own business. Primary we grant our services to Dutch entrepreneurs who want to invest in Romania invest or want develop trade contacts. We offer the same service to Romanian entrepreneurs who are interested in doing business in the Netherlands. Because we are a non profit organization our service is for members free of charge. Others who need our expertise we have to charge a modest fee.  Romania Romania has the previous years undergone a super-fast social and economic development. In the 1st half of this decade large reforms has been carried out in the complete scheme of laws and legislation in the pre-accession phase to the membership of the European Union. With the accession to the EU in 2007, this process has been completed so as a result there are for Dutch entrepreneurs no obstacles anymore in Romania to fully exploit the chances which are so characteristic for new rising economies. Of course doing business in another country does mean you need knowledge of it’s specific characteristics. Local interests, culture, licenses and legal procedures can make the difference between success and failure. www.dutchromaniannetwork.nl/index.php/economic-newsletter-Foreign investment in Romania Foreign investment at the end of May 2011According to the data published by the National Office of the Trade Registry, at the end of May 2011, there were 175,704 companies registered in Romania with foreign participation in social capital, total foreign investment amounting to EUR 29.64 billion. The top of the first five foreign investors was led by the Netherlands, with 3,913 companies registered and total invested capital of EUR 6.08 billion, followed by Austria with 6,065 companies and a total investment of EUR 4.74 billion, Germany with 18,407 companies and a total investment of EUR 4.41 billion, France with 6,643 companies and an investment of EUR 2.26 billion, and Cyprus with 4,809 registered companies and a total investment reaching EUR 1,97 billion. P.S.- I learned something new today, that a small Mediterranean Island state (Cyprus) can be a big investor. |
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