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Post by Bonobo on Jun 30, 2012 21:25:13 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 27, 2013 23:31:47 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on May 8, 2016 21:08:32 GMT 1
Funeral of Archbishop Gocłowski
06.05.2016 14:29
The funeral of Archbishop Tadeusz Gocłowski, who died on Tuesday aged 84, was held in Gdańsk, northern Poland, on Friday.
“One of the most prominent bishops of the second half of the 20th and early 21st century has left us,” said senior Primate Archbishop Henryk Muszyński in his sermon during the funeral mass.
Archbishop Gocłowski died in a Gdańsk hospital on Tuesday.
He had recently suffered a severe stroke.
In 2011, he received the Order of the White Eagle, the highest Polish state distinction. Just last week, the archbishop was made an honorary citizen of Gdańsk.
The city authorities noted that he had strong links to the history of Gdańsk over the past several decades.
The citation said that “the tenure of his pastoral service in the town coincided with some of the most turbulent and ground-breaking events in Poland’s history: martial law [imposed in December 1981] and attempts by the totalitarian regime to crush the freedom movement, the newly-revived hopes and the pilgrimages by Pope John Paul II, and, finally, the regaining of independence and the building of a free and democratic Third Republic.”- See more at: www.thenews.pl/1/11/Artykul/251711,Funeral-of-Archbishop-Goclowski#sthash.YM2xbKmq.dpuf          |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 3, 2016 22:39:08 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 4, 2017 16:21:44 GMT 1
Family, fans bid final farewell to Polish singer 30.05.2017 16:21 Popular Polish singer Zbigniew Wodecki has been buried at the Rakowicki cemetery in Kraków. The ceremony was preceded by a mass in the city’s St Mary’s Church, attended by a crowd of friends and fans. In keeping with the family’s wishes, there were no speeches, and those attending the funeral were asked to make donations to a children’s hospice instead of bringing flowers or wreaths. President Andrzej Duda, in a letter read out in church by a senior official from his office, described Wodecki’s death as a profound loss to Polish culture. Duda wrote that throughout his life, Wodecki “invited us to the world of his unique sound, with his wonderful, recognizable voice and extraordinary talent.” In a homily interspersed with lines from Wodecki’s hits, the officiating priest said that the singer’s life was a fulfilment of a mission to serve others. “He had in him that God’s spark which forced him to remain open to other people,” the priest said. Wodecki, who was also a composer, arranger, violinist and trumpeter, had many hits. He enjoyed enormous popularity with fans spanning several generations. He died in a Warsaw hospital a week ago as a result of a stroke.          |
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 13, 2018 10:33:40 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 30, 2020 10:45:17 GMT 1
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Post by naukowiec on Feb 3, 2020 12:45:40 GMT 1
wo beautiful funerals in the Highlands I've never thought of funerals as being beautiful personally, but it looks like a lot of effort went into those, the tradtional costumes of a very big turn-out, the candles and music. Most funerals I've been to have always been very grim. |
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 3, 2020 22:39:51 GMT 1
I've never thought of funerals as being beautiful Well, yes, emotionally you are right, but I have read or heard comments like "He/she had such a beautiful funeral" a few times so far. It is also rooten in culture. E.g, there is a book and a film with Beautiful Funeral in their titles. This attitude has been popular in Vienna, Austria. It could have been adopted by those Highlanders in the past. After all, their land once belonged to Austria. www.atlasobscura.com/places/vienna-undertakers-museum-bestattungsmuseumHistorically, the Viennese have something of a love affair with death, and the concept of “A schöne Leich´” (literally mistakeable as “a beautiful corpse”, but actually meaning “a beautiful funeral”). Funerals were a BIG DEAL. |
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Post by naukowiec on Feb 4, 2020 13:05:23 GMT 1
A funeral museum, that's really unusual.
I've always found funerals to be anything but beautiful. Over here burials are uncommon, simply because of lack of space and cemeteries here, in contrast to Poland, are often unkempt with graves in disrepair.
Most people are cremated which usually means a short service in the crematorium, a couple of pieces of music played, and onto the pub after to raise a glass.
In Ireland, wakes are more common with the body in display in a casket, and I think the drinking goes on for a bit longer!
I know in Poland that funerals are conducted pretty quickly, much more so than over here, where the norm is usually a week to 10 days after death.
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 4, 2020 19:38:12 GMT 1
cemeteries here, in contrast to Poland, are often unkempt with graves in disrepair. Most people are cremated which usually means a short service in the crematorium, a couple of pieces of music played, and onto the pub after to raise a glass. In Ireland, wakes are more common with the body in display in a casket, and I think the drinking goes on for a bit longer! I know in Poland that funerals are conducted pretty quickly, much more so than over here, where the norm is usually a week to 10 days after death. This also happens in Poland, to graves in very old cemeteries like from 19th century. Check one out: polandsite.proboards.com/thread/312/old-cemetery-19-centuryYes, short. But don`t they go to the columbarium together where the urn is placed? Display in a casket is rare - it happened only once during those 10 years I have been running this thread - check a few posts above. But in 1970s I attended a funeral where the body was still lying on bed at home and the family could see the person and kiss her a farewell. The quickness of the funeral here depends on various factors. |
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Post by pjotr on Feb 5, 2020 0:39:28 GMT 1
Funeral Marek Edeleman Edelman died on Friday, October 2, 2009. Marek Edeleman was buried on Friday 9 october 2009. Marek Edeleman was the last surviving member of the Warsaw Ghetto. He was one of the leaders of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, and its last commander - after Mordechai Anelewicz was killed.
Chief rabbi of Poland Michael Joseph Schudrich at Edelmans funeral in Warsaw
The President of Poland spoke at his funeral, held in the old Jewish cemetery of Warsaw. Two thousand people attended the grave-side ceremony. But no one from the Israeli government attended - though Israel's former ambassador to Poland, Shevach Weiss, attended in a personal capacity. No official representative of any international Jewish organization attended either: not even from the Holocaust memorialization organizations. As far as I can tell, neither the Jerusalem Post nor Ha'aretz ran a story when Edelman died, nor any sort of eulogy. (Haaretz did run a short AP wire story about his funeral.)
Edelman died on October 2, 2009. He was buried in Warsaw with full military honours on October 9, 2009. His coffin was covered with a Bund banner inscribed "Bund - Yidisher Sozialistisher Farband," and a choir sang the Bund anthem, "Di Shvue." The Polish President Lech Kaczyński and the former President Lech Wałęsa were present at the funeral, attended by about 2,000 persons.
Władysław Bartoszewski, former Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs and an Auschwitz survivor, led the tributes to Edelman, saying: "He reached a good age. He left as a contented man, even if he was always aware of the tragedy he went through." Bartoszewski denied that the activist was "irreplaceable," before acknowledging that "there are few people like Marek Edelman." Roman Catholic Bishop Tadeusz Pieronek said: "I respect him most for the fact that he stayed in this land, which made him fight so hard for his Jewish and Polish identity. He became a real witness, he gave a real testimony with his life." The former Polish Prime Minister, Tadeusz Mazowiecki, was also present and said Edelman had been a role model for him.
Former head of Israel's parliament and former Israeli ambassador to Poland Shevah Weiss said: "I'd like to offer my condolences to Marek Edelman's family, to the Polish nation and to the Jewish nation. He was a hero to all of us." Ian Kelly, official spokesperson for the United States, expressed sympathies and affirmed that the United States "stands with Poland as it mourns the loss of a great man." Paula Sawicka (centre, holding daffodils) watches as Marek Edelman is laid to rest. Credit:Adam Kozak/Agencja Gazeta  Observers placing daffodils at the grave of Marek Edelman, a commander of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, in Warsaw’s Jewish cemetery. (Ruth Ellen Gruber) People laying flowers at Umschlagplatz at the Warsaw Ghetto, the monument at the site from which Jews were deported to Treblinka. (Ruth Ellen Gruber) Mourners gather in front of Edelman's coffin at the Monument to the Ghetto Heroes in Warsaw on October 9, 2009. Credit:Bartosz Bobkowski/Agencja Gazeta
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 5, 2020 8:30:15 GMT 1
He was one of the leaders of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, and its last commander - Good you showed us the funeral of a Polish Jew, we needed it in this thread. But no one from the Israeli government attended - representative of any international Jewish organization attended either: not even from the Holoc Because they weren`t invited? It was 2009, the Polish Israeli relations weren`t so tense as today. No official representative of any international Jewish organization attended either: not even from the Holocaust memorialization organizations. Did they need a special invitation to come? As far as I can tell, neither the Jerusalem Post nor Ha'aretz ran a story when Edelman died, nor any sort of eulogy. How can we explain their indifferent attitude to Edelman? Because they considered him a renegade Jew who remained in Poland despite all difficulties instead of leaving for Israel like thousands did after the war? |
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Post by naukowiec on Feb 5, 2020 13:18:37 GMT 1
don`t they go to the columbarium together where the urn is placed? I had to look up the definition of columbarium because I'd never heard of it. I've never seen one in this country and I've been to a few funerals. Sometimes a very small plot has been purchased where the urn can go, and often the plot has a marker or very small headstone, like a mini-grave. Similar to this:  Alternatively, the ashes can be scattered at a favourite place of the deceased for example, sometimes they are taken home and kept there. This also happens in Poland, to graves in very old cemeteries like from 19th century Yes, I know, I've been to a fair few Jewish cemeteries in Poland, but generally speaking, modern Polish graves are in a far better state than British ones. Probably because of All Saints' Day. |
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 6, 2020 13:19:34 GMT 1
Sometimes a very small plot has been purchased where the urn can go, and often the plot has a marker or very small headstone, Alternatively, the ashes can be scattered at a favourite place of the deceased for example, sometimes they are taken home and kept there. modern Polish graves are in a far better state than British ones. Probably because of All Saints' Day. Aaaah, yes, so there is no need for columbaria. They are in each Polish cemetery, but rather as a novelty, people still prefer traditional burial. Taken home? Wow. It is impossible here. Sanitary Inspection doesn`t allow it. Hmm, one day doesn`t make a summer.  It is the culture of remembering the dead in general, based and rooted in religion. |
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Post by naukowiec on Feb 8, 2020 22:06:16 GMT 1
so there is no need for columbaria. Definitely haven't caught on over here to my knowledge, but not everyone can afford to have a small plot for the urn, they are actually very expensive! Nice for a family member to have somewhere to visit as with a grave, and the obvious advantage is that they don't take up so much room. Over here, the subject of burying people on top of each other is under discussion because there simply isn't enough room in graveyards, especially in the larger cities. Sanitary Inspection doesn`t allow it. Well if the majority of Poles are buried, it's not going to be a problem, but I can't see that cremated remains would be a health hazard. All that would be left is bone and minerals. Urns are usually sealed also. You may not have heard of this, and to be honest, I can't see it becoming popular in Poland, but over here, there are now quite a few firms that make jewellery , e.g a ring, from the ashes of a deceased person. I actually think it is a nice idea. Read about it: ashesintoglass.co.uk/one day doesn`t make a summer. Very true, but that one day of specifically remembering the dead means that at least once a year, the grave will be cleaned. I've seen the preparations. Graves are often completely neglected over here. Quite a few years ago now, I found my grandmothers grave. I don't remember her at all as I was very young when she died, but I found it more by luck than anything else. I knew the cemetery she was buried in and fortunately, it wasn't a huge one, but it was so overgrown and the headstone broken. I doubt anyone had looked at it in decades. Looking at many graves in that cemetery, few were well-cared for. |
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 9, 2020 16:19:52 GMT 1
[ but not everyone can afford to have a small plot for the urn, they are actually very expensive! Over here, the subject of burying people on top of each other is under discussion because there simply isn't enough room in graveyards, especially in the larger cities. but I can't see that cremated remains would be a health hazard. All that would be left is bone and minerals. Urns are usually sealed also. e.g a ring, from the ashes of a deceased person. Very true, but that one day of specifically remembering the dead means that at least once a year, the grave will be cleaned. Looking at many graves in that cemetery, few were well-cared for. I suppose those columbarium niches cost the same as a traditional plot, coz it`s a novelty. It`s not only about health hazard but also respect for the dead. An ash ring in Poland would mean total disrespect. Burying on top in caskets? It is also practiced here. If the grave is designed as multi-casket, they can put 3 inside. Dutiful people also come on major holidays, as I already wrote in those threads about 1 November. What about periodic fee for the maintanance in GB? In Poland you need to pay every 20 years, about 2000 PLN. |
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Post by naukowiec on Feb 12, 2020 19:28:58 GMT 1
It`s not only about health hazard but also respect for the dead. Some people want to take the ashes home though because then they feel like a part of them is still close. It doesn't mean showing a lack of respect. An ash ring in Poland would mean total disrespect. I guessed it would be seen that way. In POland everything is still very traditional and I'm not sure it would ever become popular. I think many people see having a piece of jewelry made containing a small amount of ashes, as keeping a small part of that person very close to them. I don't see it as a bad thing. After all, the ashes are only going to be sealed in an urn otherwise. I don't see it as disrespectful, but I know many Poles would. It is also practiced here. If the grave is designed as multi-casket, they can put 3 inside. I don't mean multi-casket graves. What is under discussion here, is making use of graves over 99 years old, those that probably would no longer be tended or looked after. In other words, a much loved family member may be left to rest with/on top of a total stranger. What about periodic fee for the maintanance in GB? In Poland you need to pay every 20 years, about 2000 PLN. There probably is to be honest, but I have no idea how much. |
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 13, 2020 12:15:11 GMT 1
I don't see it as disrespectful, but I know many Poles would. In other words, a much loved family member may be left to rest with/on top of a total stranger. There is a bigger distrust about it in Poland. Who can guarantee that ashes are treated with respect? Nobody. Prevention is the best option here then. To avoid possible mistreatment of ashes, we ban keeping them at home. Simple. Are we talking about 100 years od graves which have been paid for by the family along these years? If a grave is paid for regularly, it is your place. |
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Post by naukowiec on Feb 22, 2020 22:05:47 GMT 1
There is a bigger distrust about it in Poland. There's a bigger mistrust of everything in Poland!! Who can guarantee that ashes are treated with respect? Nobody. Prevention is the best option here then. To avoid possible mistreatment of ashes, we ban keeping them at home. Are we still talking about jewelry made from ashes or keeping the remains in an urn at home? If you are talking about possible mistreatment, then why not qyestion the whole cremation process? Who's to say that there isn't contamination of ashes in that process? Are we talking about 100 years od graves which have been paid for by the family along these years? If a grave is paid for regularly, it is your place. If they're over 100 years old, it's very unlikely that anyone will still be paying anything. Just as an example, my grandmother's grave. She died in 1970 and presumably bought her plot, but there is no-one left alive now to even visit it, let alone in 2070! In the UK to the best of my knowledge, you buy a plot which is where you will be buried, possibly along with other family members. I think it's a one-off payment and upkeep of the grave would be down to family members. |
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 26, 2020 22:12:27 GMT 1
There's a bigger mistrust of everything in Poland!! Are we still talking about jewelry made from ashes or keeping the remains in an urn at home? If you are talking about possible mistreatment, then why not qyestion the whole cremation process? Coz, that is Polish national trait. When sb tells me it is raining, I come to the window to see for myself. hahaha Yes, keeping ashes at home. Mistreatment means abuse of ashes, e.g., using them to season soup etc. How can such cases be prevented? Simplest prevention method: no ashes at home. |
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Post by naukowiec on Feb 26, 2020 22:45:21 GMT 1
that is Polish national trait So it's true then! Poles are suspicious and mistrustful of anything and any one!! Mistreatment means abuse of ashes, e.g., using them to season soup etc. How can such cases be prevented? Simplest prevention method: no ashes at home. Hmm. I would not have used the word mistreatment for that. Mistreatment usually means to treat people or animals badly, abusively, or cruelly. |
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 27, 2020 14:45:58 GMT 1
So it's true then! Poles are suspicious and mistrustful of anything and any one!! I would not have used the word mistreatment for that. Of course, nobody can deny it. The reasons are multiple, rooted in recent history. Yes, I know, the older I get, the less skilfull I am at using the langauge. |
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Post by naukowiec on Feb 29, 2020 19:53:55 GMT 1
the older I get, the less skilfull I am at using the langauge. Don't put yourself down, your English is of a high standard. I looked at that sentence and was struggling to think of a substitute word and it's my native language! English is a language that is very easy to pick up, but is fraught with problems. One only has to see from another forum the problems members have with articles for example. Besides, my Polish is lousy these days!! |
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 1, 2020 22:01:35 GMT 1
One only has to see from another forum the problems members have with articles for example. Besides, my Polish is lousy these days!! I also happen to omit articles occassionally, I am saving time in this way. But it is probably good enough to communicate with Poles so don`t worry. |
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Post by naukowiec on Mar 3, 2020 20:39:48 GMT 1
I also happen to omit articles occassionally, I am saving time in this way Just don't omit the important ones, sometimes an article can make all the difference. A good example is missing the 'a' before the word 'few'. A couple of people on another forum make this mistake a lot, and the meaning of the sentence totally changes. E.g He had a few friends at work. He had few friends at work. But it is probably good enough to communicate with Poles so don`t worry. It is, but now the Poles I know speak English, I've lost a lot of my Polish knowledge. I learnt your language by communicating with Poles who had no knowledge of English at all. |
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