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Post by Bonobo on Jan 12, 2020 16:01:07 GMT 1
You probably wouldn't like my opinions on that war. Britain's claim to sovereignty of the Falkland Islands has always been a spurious one. That war was about the natural resources of the ares, e.g oil. It suited British strategic interests at the time. It was not about supporting the right of self-determination for the Falklanders. That is not so unusual. Many left-leaning people worldwide recognised the legitimacy of Argentina's historic claim to the islands, although the occupation was more for domestic advantage to be honest. Is there a financial incentive for reporting too? Why not? I am neutral about it, it is not my cup of tea, but Brits` and Argentinians`. Resources are a justified reason for a war, as usual, despite all noble allegations, e.g., about preventing a dictator from getting nuclear weapons etc.  Hmm, I am not left leaning now and certainly wasn`t in communist times, quite the opposite. Nope, reporting for money is against Polish culture. People who did it during various occupations were considered renegades and traitors. |
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Post by pjotr on Jan 12, 2020 21:38:52 GMT 1
Guys,
The smog in Polish cities and other European countries is very bad for the health of the citizens. Thousands of people die due to breathing bad air with particulates. That particulates enters their lungs and does the same kind of damage smoking does.
The size of the particle is a main determinant of where in the respiratory tract the particle will come to rest when inhaled. Larger particles are generally filtered in the nose and throat via cilia and mucus, but particulate matter smaller than about 10 micrometers, can settle in the bronchi and lungs and cause health problems. The 10-micrometer size does not represent a strict boundary between respirable and non-respirable particles, but has been agreed upon for monitoring of airborne particulate matter by most regulatory agencies. Because of their small size, particles on the order of 10 micrometers or less (coarse particulate matter, PM10) can penetrate the deepest part of the lungs such as the bronchioles or alveoli; when asthmatics are exposed to these conditions it can trigger bronchoconstriction.
The effects of inhaling particulate matter that has been widely studied in humans and animals include asthma, lung cancer, respiratory diseases, cardiovascular disease, premature delivery, birth defects, low birth weight, and premature death.
We talked about this subject earlier in this thread, but I wanted to repeat it, because I know various people who suffer from heavy asthma, bronchitis and COPD (Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pjotr on Jan 12, 2020 23:07:53 GMT 1
You probably wouldn't like my opinions on that war. Britain's claim to sovereignty of the Falkland Islands has always been a spurious one. That war was about the natural resources of the ares, e.g oil. It suited British strategic interests at the time. It was not about supporting the right of self-determination for the Falklanders. That is not so unusual. Many left-leaning people worldwide recognised the legitimacy of Argentina's historic claim to the islands, although the occupation was more for domestic advantage to be honest. Is there a financial incentive for reporting too? Why not? I am neutral about it, it is not my cup of tea, but Brits` and Argentinians`. Resources are a justified reason for a war, as usual, despite all noble allegations, e.g., about preventing a dictator from getting nuclear weapons etc. Hmm, I am not left leaning now and certainly wasn`t in communist times, quite the opposite. Nope, reporting for money is against Polish culture. People who did it during various occupations were considered renegades and traitors.
It was a conflict between 2 navies from 2 Souvereign nations who wanted to possess the same Island group. Great Britain was more powerful, aggressive and successfull in that war.  Argentina’s military government was severely discredited by its failure to prepare and support its own military forces in the invasion that it had ordered, and civilian rule was restored to Argentina in 1983. Meanwhile, British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher converted widespread patriotic support into a landslide victory for her Conservative Party in the parliamentary election of 1983.
Source: Encyclopedia Britannica and Wikipedia |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 13, 2020 21:55:34 GMT 1
Great Britain was more powerful, aggressive and successfull in that war. Brits had a professional army, which greatly contributed to their success. Argentina used regular conscripts who weren`t as determined as British soldiers. I read a few popular books about the conflict. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 13, 2020 21:57:42 GMT 1
because I know various people who suffer from heavy asthma, bronchitis and COPD (Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease). Does wearing a mask help? Each day I see a couple of people wearing them and wonder if I should follow their example. |
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Post by pjotr on Jan 14, 2020 20:54:06 GMT 1
Wearing a mask reduces the dust, but isn't enough to keep the particulates out of the air. Only breathing via oxygen canisters would be pure fresh air. It is an unfortunate fact that thousands of people die every year in larger European and America cities due to these particulates in the air. It is fact that we have our heavy industries, heavy traffic and in some countries polluting agriculture.
People with asthma, bronchitis and COPD (Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) suffer, but also people with other lung diseases or simply people dying earlier or at a young age due to the bad air in their environment. Fresh air is a luxery in the world today.
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 14, 2020 21:16:07 GMT 1
Wearing a mask reduces the dust, but isn't enough to keep the particulates out of the air. Only breathing via oxygen canisters would be pure fresh air. I suspected it but wasn`t sure. If it really helped, probably more people would wear them. |
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Post by naukowiec on Jan 15, 2020 19:29:19 GMT 1
Resources are a justified reason for a war, as usual, despite all noble allegations, e.g., about preventing a dictator from getting nuclear weapons etc. Then governments should be honest about their motivation for war. I get tired of those in charge thinking that the British public are brain dead. Besides, although not too many died in the Falklands War in comparison to other wars, resources, in my opinion, are not worth dying for. What it is, is a matter of greed, and that's different. People who did it during various occupations were considered renegades and traitors. No-one likes a snitch I guess.... I am not left leaning now That surprises me. For a Pole, I think you have quite liberal views, or maybe I've got you pegged wrong..... I see a couple of people wearing them and wonder if I should follow their example. Have you had any respiratory problems at all? The air in Kraków isn't meant to be great in winter. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 18, 2020 23:41:54 GMT 1
Then governments should be honest about their motivation for war. No-one likes a snitch I guess.... That surprises me. For a Pole, I think you have quite liberal views, or maybe I've got you pegged wrong..... Have you had any respiratory problems at all? The air in Kraków isn't meant to be great in winter. If governments were honest about their motivations, they would be voted out and replaced by other, not necessarily better ones. The only situation when snitching is rewarded or even compulsory is reporting the whereabouts of hiding criminals. Those liberal views of mine don`t mean left. Quite the opposite. They are the views of a devout Christian person. Probably I have had but am not sure if they can be attributed to smog. I regularly suffer from sinus infections. |
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Post by naukowiec on Jan 19, 2020 17:18:05 GMT 1
The only situation when snitching is rewarded or even compulsory is reporting the whereabouts of hiding criminals. Yes, I can see that. They are the views of a devout Christian person Who in my opinion, is quite tolerant. Probably I have had but am not sure if they can be attributed to smog. You are quite lucky then. Resipiratory problems are common in Poland. They are on the rise here too, due to pollution from traffic though. It's a real problem in inner cities and 2 of the closest ones to me, are now introducing charges for buses, taxis etc to use central parts of the cities: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-51131974 |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 20, 2020 21:42:19 GMT 1
Who in my opinion, is quite tolerant. You are quite lucky then. Resipiratory problems are common in Poland. As a true Christian, I must be tolerant. Do not judge or you will be judged. The only exceptions in my tolerance policy are stupid and hypocritical rightists, especially from PiS. But for them I use another saying: Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves and they will mislead many.
I do not cough too much. Can I say I don`t have respiratory problems, then? What else apart from coughing could I get? |
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Post by naukowiec on Jan 22, 2020 23:56:43 GMT 1
The only exceptions in my tolerance policy are stupid and hypocritical rightists, This is what does my head in when some people who claim to be religious, are the least christian of people. It shouldn't do, but it makes me angry. I cannot be tolerant like you I'm afraid. One very big reason, amongst many others, why I no longer post on another forum. I cannot bear the hypocrisy. Can I say I don`t have respiratory problems, then? What else apart from coughing could I get? If you don't cough and don't have breathing problems/shortness of breath, I'm sure you're fine! Common respiratory problems that air pollution and smog can cause or aggravate are COPD ( chronic obstructive pulmonary disease ), asthma, lung cancer etc |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 24, 2020 12:36:08 GMT 1
I cannot be tolerant like you I'm afraid. One very big reason, amongst many others, why I no longer post on another forum. I cannot bear the hypocrisy. If you don't cough and don't have breathing problems/shortness of breath, I'm sure you're fine! Common respiratory problems that air pollution and smog can cause or aggravate are COPD ( chronic obstructive pulmonary disease ), asthma, lung cancer etc I also need to work on my tolerance in case of hypocrites. We need to be more relaxed. Anger is harmful to beauty. Oh, yes, I thought I would ask you about the other forum. I took a long break from it but am going to come back in February, like last year. I haven`t taken a peek into the site for 3 months so I know nothing about what is happening there. I will see soon, so don`t tell me. No coughing or shortness of breath, but you mentioned lung cancer and that made me anxious a little. Fortunately I don`t smoke but it is believed/suggested a typical resident of a big city in Poland inhales such an amount of smog as if they smoked a packet a day. |
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