|
|
Post by Bonobo on Aug 24, 2009 13:59:13 GMT 1
Polish arms hit Russian aircraft in Georgia
thenews.pl
10.08.2009
Poland produced and sold missiles to Georgia – the same missiles that were shot at Russian planes in the war a year ago, reports the daily Dziennik.
The paper reports twenty accounts of the man-portable air-defense system, commonly known as the `Grom' missile (grom means thunder in Polish) produced in the south-central Polish arms factory MESKO, being used in Georgia. The missiles have been used by Polish ground forces since 1995 and are commonly used to target and shoot down low-flying helicopters and airplanes.
Of the twenty missiles used, twelve were launched and nine hit their target. Poland sold thirty launchers and 100 missiles to Georgia in the summer of 2007 – the sale of which were approved by President Lech Kaczynski, who made it a priority to assure a speedy deal. As such, the missiles were shipped directly from a Polish arms warehouse, because it would take too long to produce the missiles new.
The transaction was legal and was noted in the international arms trade register. The unusual aspect of the deal, writes Dziennik, was the middleman – a Lebanese citizen named Abdul Rahman El-Assir. The paper writes that a middleman is not necessary in such a deal, considering that Poland has working bi-lateral relations with Georgia.
The Grom missile's construction is based on the design of the Soviet Igla – plans were allegedly stolen by Polish secret services taken from scientists in the St. Petersburg arms factory when the communist system was crumbling in the East. The daily reports that a Polish agent went to the factory with a suitcase full of money and returned with the plans for the missiles.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Sept 3, 2009 20:35:34 GMT 1
Poles in Afghanistan ill-equipped
Aug. 18, 2009
WARSAW, Poland, Aug. 18 (UPI) -- A Polish general Tuesday criticized the Defense Ministry for not supplying proper equipment to troops in Afghanistan and making them an easy target.
Army Gen. Waldemar Skrzypczak, commander of Polish land forces, accused staff generals in Warsaw of being partly responsible for the death of Capt. Daniel Ambrozinski, 32, killed by a Taliban sniper Aug. 10 in eastern Afghanistan, Polish Radio reported Tuesday.
If the Polish troops in Afghanistan, serving as part of the NATO-led forces, had airborne support, Ambozinski and his patrol may have not been ambushed by Taliban fighters, he said.
Skrzypczak said the contingent in Afghanistan has been asking the ministry for the needed equipment for two years but the requests were inundated with red tape.
In the meantime, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the government plans to purchase helicopters and unmanned surveillance aircraft for the Afghan contingent, the radio network reported.
Poland has more than 2,000 troops in Afghanistan. Ten Polish soldiers have died there.
************ ********* ********* *********
Tusk pledges more funding for troops in Afghanistan
New weapons and bullet-proof vests to be sent
The Warsaw Business Journal
19th August 2009
On Tuesday in Jarocin, Prime Minister Donald Tusk and Defense Minister Bogdan Klich attended the funeral of Captain Daniel Ambroziñski, who was killed on August 10 during a shoot-out with Taliban forces in Afghanistan.
The representatives of the government arrived at the ceremony directly from a meeting, during which the decision was made to make more equipment available to Polish forces stationed in Afghanistan. By the end of this year, these troops are to receive new bullet-proof vests, GPS receivers, 60mm mortars and machine guns, as well as other equipment.
Meanwhile, by next year the army will be supported by new Mi-17 helicopters, drone planes and machine guns. The funds devoted for this purpose, around z³.1 billion, will come from the Defense Ministry's budget.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Sept 25, 2009 22:49:44 GMT 1
Poll: Majority of Poles support withdrawal from Afghanistan
DPA
9/12/09
Warsaw - The majority of Poles are against further Polish military engagement in Afghanistan, according to an opinion poll, media reports said Saturday. Eighty-one per cent of respondents surveyed by the TNS OBOP institute supported a withdrawal of Polish troops from the war-torn country, the poll released late Friday showed.
Thirteen per cent supported Poland's continued involvement, while 6 per cent of respondents were undecided.
Thirteen Polish soldiers have died since the start of the mission in Afghanistan, four this month alone. The latest fatalities have sparked debate in Poland about the countries' participation in the war against the Taliban.
Prime Minister Donald Tusk is to hold talks on the matter with President Lech Kaczynski and Defence Minister Bogdan Klich.
The Polish contingent in Afghanistan is comprised of around 2,000 soldiers.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Nov 2, 2009 23:12:45 GMT 1
Confusion over Poland's Afghan deployment deepens
thenews.pl
26.10.2009
Defence Minister Bogdan Klich has denied reports that a decision to increase Poland's troop deployment in Afghanistan has been taken by the government.
On Friday, media informed that after a request by the US command in Afghanistan, Poland will send 600 soldiers to the Ghazni province in the spring of 2010. The news reportedly came from the Defence Ministry and Chancellery of Prime Minister in Warsaw. But Minister Klich says no such decision has been taken.
"There is no such decision, nor plans," said Bogdan Klich.
The defence minister added that currently there are 2,000 Polish soldiers in the Ghazni province and the contingent will not be enlarged unless it is absolutely necessary. He did confirm, however, that 200 soldiers would be going to Afghanistan to be held in strategic reserve in case of emergencies.
Klich's announcement contradicts a statement by the US embassy in Warsaw. This weekend, US ambassador to Poland, Lee A. Feinstein announced that both President Lech Kaczynski and Prime Minister Tusk had told him that reinforcements would be sent to Afghanistan. "The President and PM declared that not only would they be keeping Polish soldiers in Afghanistan, but they would also enlarge the contingent. This is something for which we are very grateful," said Feinstein.
President Kaczynski's office said this morning, however, that no detailed plans had been sent by the defence ministry on the issue and it was far too early to take such a decision.
Minister Klich revealed this morning that a review of Poland's part in the mission in Afghanistan is being prepared by the Foreign Ministry and will later be presented to Prime Minister Donald Tusk.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Nov 18, 2009 20:31:09 GMT 1
Why Poland has soured on Afghanistan
A recent poll found 77 percent of Poles want their troops withdrawn.
By Jan Cienski - GlobalPost
Published: November 4, 2009
WARSAW — When Joe Biden, the U.S. vice president, passed through Warsaw a couple of weeks ago, he larded unabashed praise on Poland for its participation in the war in Afghanistan.
"Polish soldiers in Afghanistan are not just soldiers," gushed Biden. "They are warriors doing an incredibly difficult job."
But the tribute didn't have much of an effect in Poland, where a vast majority of the public has had enough of the Afghan mission. In an opinion poll conducted in September by the CBOS organization, 76 percent of Poles were opposed to having troops in Afghanistan, and 77 percent want the operation wrapped up immediately and soldiers withdrawn — a 12 percentage point increase from a survey taken in June.
The erosion of public support in Poland is a sign of a wider problem for the NATO mission in Afghanistan. Similar attitudes are cropping up in Europe and in the U.S., as people are beginning to tire of a war that has lasted more than eight years, with no immediate prospect of a successful conclusion. The lack of tangible benefits — such as contracts and improved relations with the U.S. — from Poland's long mission in Iraq has also soured the country on its Afghanistan involvement.
Poland has been one of the most valuable Western allies in that fight. Unlike military contingents from France and Germany, Poland has undertaken a fighting mission in the unstable south of the country — its 2,000 soldiers are in charge of Ghazni province, which lies on the strategic highway between Kabul and Kandahar.
So far 15 Polish soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan, and each death sets off a media frenzy that further lowers support for the mission.
"It confirms yet again that the mission in Afghanistan is one which has changed from a stabilization mission into open war," Pawel Gras, the government spokesman, said after the last deaths — two soldiers killed in October by a roadside explosion.
The financial cost has also been steep. Despite the stress imposed on public finances by the economic crisis, the government intends to spend $219 million on its Afghan mission this year, while next year equipment costs alone are expected to come to $275 million.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Dec 4, 2009 20:47:58 GMT 1
WARSAW, Poland (AP) — A Polish official says the country will likely send 600 more troops to take part in the NATO-led force in Afghanistan next year.
Government spokesman Pawel Gras said on Radio Tok FM on Wednesday that the decision still needs approval from Prime Minister Donald Tusk's cabinet and from President Lech Kaczynski, who is the supreme commander of the army.
Kaczynski has spoken in favor of increasing Poland's current force of 2,000 troops, who serve in the NATO mission in Afghanistan. This is the first time an official has mentioned a specific number.
President Barack Obama on Tuesday asked Tusk to contribute additional troops to the military effort in Afghanistan as part of a renewed strategy that includes 30,000 more U.S. troops.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Dec 22, 2009 23:55:42 GMT 1
Body of fallen soldier returns home
22.12.2009 08:38
The body of Lt Col Michal Kolek, a soldier who was killed on Saturday in Afghanistan arrived overnight at the airport in Rzeszów.
The coffin was greeted by family and colleagues from the 21st Podhale Rifle Brigade.
Armed Forces Lt. Gen. Bronislaw Kwiatkowski said in a solemn ceremony at the airport: “ We must remember that he died so the world could be at peace.”
Twenty two year-old Lt Col Michal Kolek was killed on Saturday at around 9.30 Polish time), when a unit of the QRF(Quick Reaction Force) was assisting another patrol after it came under fire from insurgents 3.5 km north of the Four Corners base, about 20 km from the base of Ghazni. Six insurgents were also killed during the shooting.
He was posthumously promoted to the rank of corporal. The funeral will take place next Thursday.
Kolek served in the Polish-Ukrainian Peace Force Battalion based in Przemysl, which is part of the 21 Podhale Rifle Brigade. Service in Afghanistan was his first mission abroad.
He was the 16th Polish soldier to die on duty in Afghanistan.
|
|
|
|
Post by valpomike on Dec 23, 2009 2:22:08 GMT 1
Freedom is not free, many give so much, but we all must do what we have to, to stay free.
My prayers go out to his family. I know of some parents who lost their son's there, and they are not bitter toward the USA.
Mike
|
|
|
|
Post by justjohn on Apr 13, 2010 13:27:51 GMT 1
Body of fallen soldier returns home
22.12.2009 08:38
The body of Lt Col Michal Kolek, a soldier who was killed on Saturday in Afghanistan arrived overnight at the airport in Rzeszów.
The coffin was greeted by family and colleagues from the 21st Podhale Rifle Brigade.
Armed Forces Lt. Gen. Bronislaw Kwiatkowski said in a solemn ceremony at the airport: “ We must remember that he died so the world could be at peace.”
Twenty two year-old Lt Col Michal Kolek was killed on Saturday at around 9.30 Polish time), when a unit of the QRF(Quick Reaction Force) was assisting another patrol after it came under fire from insurgents 3.5 km north of the Four Corners base, about 20 km from the base of Ghazni. Six insurgents were also killed during the shooting.
He was posthumously promoted to the rank of corporal. The funeral will take place next Thursday.
Kolek served in the Polish-Ukrainian Peace Force Battalion based in Przemysl, which is part of the 21 Podhale Rifle Brigade. Service in Afghanistan was his first mission abroad.
He was the 16th Polish soldier to die on duty in Afghanistan. I am late in checking this thread. For that I am sorry. As an 'Ole Warrior' I wish to honor this 'Young Warrior'. He died honorably serving his country. No man could ever ask for more. Whether it is right or wrong is not the issue. He chose to serve and possibly die for his beliefs. That is exactly what happened. The 'Good Lord' said your contract there is up and now you are to serve in my battalion here. God Bless him!!!!!  |
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on May 16, 2010 21:20:07 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on May 16, 2010 21:39:25 GMT 1
Siły Zbrojne Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej ("Armed Forces of the Polish Republic", abbreviated SZ RP; popularly, Wojsko Polskie, abbreviated WP—roughly, the "Polish Military") are the national defense forces of Poland. The name has been used since the early 19th century, but can also be applied to earlier periods. The Polish Armed Forces comprise the Army (Wojska Lądowe), Navy (Marynarka Wojenna), Air Force (Siły Powietrzne) and Special Forces (Wojska Specjalne) and are under the command of the Ministry of National Defense (Ministerstwo Obrony Narodowej). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Armed_ForcesOrganization The Polish armed forces consists of 100,300[1] active duty personnel and in addition 234,000 reserves. In 2009 the Armed Forces transformed into a fully professional organization and compulsory military service was abolished. Troop strength in the different branches is as followed (2009): * Land Forces: 60,000 (3 divisions, independent units and territorial forces) * Air Force: 26,000 (Air and Air Defense Corps)[2] * Navy: 14,000 (2 Fleets)[2] * Special Forces: 1,700 (4 Special Units - GROM, 1 PSK, "Formoza", special logistics Military Unit)[2] * Military Police or Żandarmeria Wojskowa (in Polish). EquipmentLand Forces * Main Battle Tanks: 906 (Leopard 2A4, PT-91, PT-91M, PT-91MA1, T-72, T-72A, T-72M1, T-72M1D)[4] * AFV: 1687 (KTO Rosomak, BWP-1, BWR-1S, BWR-1D, HMMWV, BRDM-2)[4] * Artillery: 1153 (120mm or greater)[4] * Army Helicopters: 143 (PZL W-3, PZL SW-4, Mi-8, Mi-17, Mi-24, Mi-2 )[4] Air Force * Jet Fighter: 83 ( 35 MiG-29A, 48 F-16 block 52+)[4] * Attack Aircraft: 45 (Su-22M4)[4] * Jet Trainer Aircraft: 54 (PZL TS-11 Iskra)[4] * Turboprop Trainer Aircraft: 37 (PZL-130 Orlik)[4] * Cargo aircraft: 40 (C-295, C-130, PZL M28)[4] * Helicopters: 58 (PZL W-3, PZL SW-4, Mi-8, Mi-17, Mi-2, Bell 412)[4] Navy * Frigates: 2 (Oliver Hazard Perry Class)[4] * Corvettes: 3 (Kaszub class, Tarantul Class)[4] * Submarines: 5 (Kilo Class, Kobben Class)[4] * Fast Attack Craft: 3 (Orkan Class)[4] * Mine Counter-Measure Vessels: 19 (Gardno class, Mamry class, 206FM class)[4] * Minelayer-Landing crafts: 5 (Lublin class)[4] * Over 40 other vessels (including survey ships, tankers, rescue and salvage and training ships)[4] * Aircraft: 12 (PZL M28B Bryza)[4] * Helicopter: 30 (Kaman SH-2, PZL W-3, Mil Mi-14, PZL Mi-2, Mil Mi-17)
Mission
Polish soldiers of Battle Group B in Afghanistan guarding A01 road connecting Kabul and Kandahar.
The most basic goal of the armed forces is the defense of Polish territorial integrity, and Polish interests abroad. Poland's national security goal is to further integrate with NATO and other west European defense, economic, and political institutions via a modernization and reorganization of its military. Polish military doctrine reflects the same defense nature as its NATO partners. Poland continues to be a regional leader in support and participation in the NATO Partnership for Peace Program and has actively engaged most of its neighbors and other regional actors to build stable foundations for future European security arrangements. Poland is also playing an increasingly larger role as a major European peacekeeping power in the world through various UN peacekeeping actions, cooperating with neighbouring nations
Recent operations
Polish Armed Forces took part in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, deploying 2,500 soldiers in the south of that country and commanding the 17-nation Multinational force in Iraq. In addition to this, Polish soldiers are currently deployed in five separate UN Peacekeeping Operations (UNDOF, UNIFIL, EUFOR and KFOR). Total international deployment of Polish military is over 4,800 troops.
Current deployment
* Afghanistan International Security Assistance Force
o Personnel: 2600
o 10 Helicopters
* Bosnia and Herzegovina EUFOR ALTHEA
o Personnel: 200
* Kosovo KFOR Multi-National Group-East (MNBG-E)
o Personnel: 288
* Lithuania NATO QRA (Air Defence Quick Reaction Alert)
o Personnel: 100
o 4 Jet Fighters
* Atlantic Ocean Standing NRF Maritime Group 1
o 1 Frigate
* Mediterranean Sea Operation Active Endeavour
o 1 Submarine
Completed operations
* Iraq MNF-I'
o Personnel: 900 (peak - 2,500)
o 11 Helicopters
* Syria UN Disengagement and Observation Force
o Personnel: 355
* Lebanon UN Interim Force
o Personnel: 500
* Chad EUFOR Chad/RCA
o Personnel: 400
o 3 Helicopters
forum.cannon-fodder.mil.pl/printview.php?t=49&start=0&sid=0a24a29bf913ba12e72bfcdc42247206                    |
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Jun 17, 2010 21:10:35 GMT 1
Another Polish soldier dies in Afghanistan
15.06.2010 14:32
Lance Corporal Grzegorz Bukowski has become the 18th Polish soldier to die in Afghanistan after an insurgent attack, Tuesday morning, informs the army press office.
The 29 year-old soldier was mortally wounded by shrapnel from an exploding mortar shell. Two other soldiers who were injured in the attack on the Warrior base, one of four bases hosting 2,600 Polish soldiers stationed in Afghanistan, were transported to the nearby Ghazni base.
“A rapid reaction unit was sent to the site where the mortar was launched from immediately after the attack,” said Major Piotr Jaszczuk from the operational command of the Polish contingent. “We are examining the circumstances of this attack,” added Jaszczuk.
Lance Corporal Bukowski was single and served in the military police based in Minsk Mazowiecki, central Poland. In Afghanistan, he was involved in the training of local police and was on his second tour. He had previously served in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
The attack comes the day after four Polish soldiers from the same Warrior base were wounded by a road side bomb and four days after Corporal Milosz Gorka was killed by another IED.
“More and more frequent insurgent attacks are the response to large-scale pre-emptive actions carried out by Polish troops,” Major Jaszczuk told Polish Radio, adding that recently Polish soldiers detained several dozen insurgents and seized numerous weapons and ammunition and several hundred kilograms of explosives.
“Recently we eliminated several dozen Taliban (...) and the rebels are trying to take revenge,” says Major Jaszczuk
At the weekend following the death of Corporal Gorka, Poland’s prime minister Donald Tusk said that the government will be looking into a timetable for the withdrawal of Polish troops at the NATO Lisbon summit in November. Grzegorz Napieralski, the leftwing candidate in the June 20 presidential elections, accused the government of using the war in Afghanistan for electioneering purposes.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Jun 23, 2010 9:30:54 GMT 1
Polish armed forces short of women
22.06.2010 18:00
Fewer women serve in Poland’s armed forces than in any other NATO member state.
Around 1,000 women of different military ranks are serving in the Polish army, which consists in total of 100,272 soldiers. Most women serve in the military health service.
Compared to other armed forces within NATO, women are underrepresented in the armed forces.
In the US Army, for example, with armed forces 1.4 million string, 15 percent, or 200,000, are women.
The number of women in the Polish armed forces has been gradually rising, however. In 2005, only 512 women served, in 2007 the number increased to 800 women and currently around 1,000 women are serving in the Polish land forces, air force and navy.
Female soldiers hope that with the professionalisation of the Polish armed forces, which started this year, women will assume more important roles in the armed forces.
“Women already occupy very responsible positions in the army and perfectly meet their obligations. I am convinced that, similarly to female pilots, soon women will also drive tanks. We just need male commanders to trust us,” Major Aleksandra Michalik told Polish Radio. I have seen one woman soldier once - quite pretty.  See the WW2 Anniversary CelebrationMaybe the reason is the following?:
One in five females sexually abused in Polish army?
18.06.2010 13:28
Over 30 percent of women in the Polish Armed Forces have been victims of, or have been witness to, bullying and almost 20 percent have been on the receiving end of sexual harassment, finds a survey.
Almost 140 female soldiers, of 1,000 serving in the Polish army, participated in a survey conducted by the Military Office for Social Research in November 2009. The survey, commissioned by Defence Minister Bogdan Klich to determine the condition of females serving in the army, was carried out in land and air forces and navy among female soldiers of different military rank.
The survey shows that 12 percent of females fell victim to bullying and 21.5 percent witnessed such behaviour. Six percent of the respondents claimed that they had been sexually harassed and 12.6 percent claimed to be aware such practice, although they did not experience it personally.
According to the survey, female soldiers are often exposed to sexually driven remarks and provocations. Six percent of respondents said that every so often they get indecent proposals and requests to kiss, hug or strip; 11 percent of the respondents think that the Polish Armed Forces are not ready for having female soldiers serving in their ranks.
|
|
|
|
Post by valpomike on Jun 23, 2010 16:52:43 GMT 1
It's just that the Polish women are to hot! This must be corrected at once. Some one needs work on this now. These are great women, giving so much, and treated like this, it's unfair.
Mike
|
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Sept 15, 2010 21:37:45 GMT 1
Polish soldiers borrowed 30 armoured vehicles from Americans to back up their operations in Afghanistan.  |
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Oct 5, 2010 23:30:41 GMT 1
Anaconda 2010 gets to grips in Baltic Sea
04.10.2010 15:25
Anaconda 2010 military exercise by Poland’s armed forces has begun on the Baltic Sea.
More than 7,000 soldiers and nearly 1,000 units of equipment, including: 25 aircraft, 23 helicopters, 16 warships, a submarine, over 120 tanks and infantry vehicles have been deployed in the exercise, the Defence Ministry has announced.
Monday morning, several warships left the ports in Gdynia and Swinoujscie to start a defence operation against the enemy’s fleet.
The exercise scenario involves a growing local armed conflict with territorial claims between imaginary states of Wislandia and Monda allied with Bari. Although such states do not exist, their location resembles that of Poland and Russia and Belarus.
“The main goal of the exercise is to check the readiness of the Polish Armed Forces to defend the country in case of the threat,” said the commander of the exercise Gen. Edward Gruszka. During the exercise Polish warships will practice how to protect sea lanes, destroy submarines, respond to sea and air attacks and prevent a sea blockade. The state border protection and maintaining integrity will be the main effort of the exercise.
The exercise Anaconda 2010 – named after a snake that feeds off aquatic life forms - ends a six-year cycle of Polish training forces interoperability, will last until 6 October.
Russia was heavily criticized earlier this year for exercises, also in the Baltic Sea, simulating the amphibious invasion of Poland
|
|
|
|
Post by valpomike on Oct 6, 2010 0:15:51 GMT 1
To HELL with the Russians, and the Germans also.
Mike
|
|
|
|
Post by tufta on Oct 6, 2010 6:44:00 GMT 1
To HELL with the Russians, and the Germans also. Mike and Americans? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
|
|
|
Post by valpomike on Oct 6, 2010 16:46:29 GMT 1
And why the Americans, we came to your aid in the war, and several times over the past years. Plus, many Polish-Americans, like me, but not our president, care, very much of the going ons in Poland. Many of us, would give our life's to keep Poland free, if asked. We never took, like the Russians, and Germans, did. We never killed the great people of Poland.
Your two words, very much upset me. As you can see. I don't understand your statement, and I, in the past, think you to be very smart, but now I wonder. What was your thinking?
Mike
|
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Oct 6, 2010 22:38:50 GMT 1
And why the Americans, we came to your aid in the war, and several times over the past years. Plus, many Polish-Americans, like me, but not our president, care, very much of the going ons in Poland. Many of us, would give our life's to keep Poland free, if asked. We never took, like the Russians, and Germans, did. We never killed the great people of Poland. Your two words, very much upset me. As you can see. I don't understand your statement, and I, in the past, think you to be very smart, but now I wonder. What was your thinking? Mike Again, what makes you so upset with the Americans? Could it be that in WW II, we came to your aid? Or could it be that we, again, the good Polish-Americans, not our president, care that no one takes advantage of Poland? I am getting more upset, with your thinking, why do you think so bad towards the Americans? Please explain you thinking on this. Mike Mike, there is a major difference between Polish Americans and Americans. If we talk about the former, we all know they are great patriots of Poland and they have always volunteered to fight for the old country. You would be one of them if needed. But, when we talk about other Americans, who constitute the majority of US, let`s be frank - they don`t care about Poland. Example - Roosevelt, who sold Poland to Stalin for nothing. It is natural - why should they? Be realistic and admit- which group of Americans has influenced the American politics in the last 60 years? Polish Americans or other Americans? When you get your answer, you will understand Tufta`s opinion. |
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Oct 6, 2010 23:35:59 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by valpomike on Oct 7, 2010 3:27:12 GMT 1
We have, here in the USA many great Polish-Americans who served, and many are still serving, in the running of this USA. But now, the black vote is more important to many of the leaders. But still the Polish-Americans have a strong vote power here, and many new Polish-Americans running for office, and will be voted in on the November elections. So I don't understand Tufta's thinking. Could be he had a bad day.
Yes Roosevelt was a ass hole, but he is long gone. He had no balls, and was lead around like this president is now.
Mike
P.S. God bless those men and women who serve all over the world.
|
|
|
|
Post by tufta on Oct 7, 2010 9:21:18 GMT 1
But still the Polish-Americans have a strong vote power here, Yes, potentially they do. But in practice they have little power.And they do much less, in pragmatic terms almost nothing, for their old country. Especially if we compare them to Ukrainian, German, Jewish lobbies, to name a few. You are just strong in the mouth and short actions, not in constant, organic, stubborn action. Sorry. |
|
|
|
Post by valpomike on Oct 8, 2010 4:33:04 GMT 1
What could we do, and how. Many of want to help, but don't how to. Tell us, the good Americans what we can do. I have read of many groups who send things to Poland all the time, are they not getting there? Please let us know what we can do to help, and many who can will.
Mike
|
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Oct 8, 2010 21:45:02 GMT 1
But still the Polish-Americans have a strong vote power here, Yes, potentially they do. But in practice they have little power.And they do much less, in pragmatic terms almost nothing, for their old country. Especially if we compare them to Ukrainian, German, Jewish lobbies, to name a few. You are just strong in the mouth and short actions, not in constant, organic, stubborn action. Sorry. That is our (in)famous Polish individualism. We prefer to act on our own, instead of in a team. We are born with it and nothing can be done - just like or leave it. |
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Oct 8, 2010 21:47:36 GMT 1
I have read of many groups who send things to Poland all the time, are they not getting there?  I haven`t received anything from US yet. That is why it is very probable that things are not getting here as they should. You could send/lend us Obama. We are in a dire need of good leaders who take action instead of talking. |
|
|
|
Post by valpomike on Oct 8, 2010 23:38:54 GMT 1
I would love to send you anything that you may need, for a better life. I also would love to send you Obama, and his wife, and his congress, but do you have room for all those freeloading ass holes? Than you would love to send him back. The only action he has taken is for himself, of his people, not the mass, that needs this help. And, again, Obama, is not a good leader, one of the worst we here in USA have ever had, but he is black, and that's what they wanted. There were other good blacks, but not they picked him, because, he can't think for himself, and can be used as a pupit, as they are now doing. Many I know of receive things often from here in the USA, and many don't ask, or need them.
Mike
|
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Oct 18, 2010 22:15:45 GMT 1
Poland extends mission in Afghanistan
18.10.2010 13:11
President Bronislaw Komorowski, as Poland’s commander-in-chief, has agreed to prolong Poland’s mission in Afghanistan by half a year.
Two and a half thousand Polish troops are deployed in Afghanistan as part of ISAF (International Security Assistance Force). The current mission was supposed to end on 13 October but at the government’s request the president decided to prolong it until 13 April 2011.
President Komorowski also said during the presidential election campaign this summer that an exit strategy and date for withdrawal is a top priority for the troops. He suggested 2012 as an optimum date for ending the mission in Afghanistan.
In August, Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski said Polish troops will leave Afghanistan between 2012 and 2014, depending on the situation in the country. Defence Minister Bogdan Klich also said that Polish mission in Afghanistan might be prolonged but after 2012 it would not be a combat mission but a training one.
Polish troops deployed to strengthen security in the Ghazni province, including the Kabul-Kandahar road and the Ghazni-Sharan route. Polish soldiers also train Afghan security forces and support Afghan authorities and local administration in their efforts to reconstruct infrastructure. Poles also provide humanitarian aid for civilians.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bonobo on Nov 7, 2010 0:08:09 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by valpomike on Nov 7, 2010 15:04:36 GMT 1
This is a sad time for all, we also have lost many in the wars, but we must fight until the end. These people, and all people need freedom.
Mike
|
|
