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Post by Bonobo on Jan 28, 2017 20:01:53 GMT 1
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Post by jeanne on Jan 28, 2017 23:18:09 GMT 1
Is this carnage really necessary??
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 28, 2017 23:32:39 GMT 1
Is this carnage really necessary?? Have you joined the anti-hunt lobby recently? UncleTim won`t be too happy...  Actually, hunters claim it is. E.g., first photos show results of fox hunting - about 200 foxes were shot. Reasons - too many foxes due to better anti-rabis vaccines. These efficient predators massacre other field animals like hares, partridges, pheasants etc. Of course, it means that in next years there will be more hares which will damage farmers` crops so hunters will be called to deal with the problem (like in my summer house area). And so it goes.... With a growing human population and its pressure on environment, nature can`t regulate itself, so people have to do it, with ambiguous consequences. |
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Post by jeanne on Jan 29, 2017 14:27:12 GMT 1
Have you joined the anti-hunt lobby recently? UncleTim won`t be too happy... Actually, hunters claim it is. E.g., first photos show results of fox hunting - about 200 foxes were shot. Reasons - too many foxes due to better anti-rabis vaccines. These efficient predators massacre other field animals like hares, partridges, peasants etc. Of course, it means that in next years there will be more hares which will damage farmers` crops so hunters will be called to deal with the problem (like in my summer house area). And so it goes.... With a growing human population and its pressure on environment, nature can`t regulate itself, so people have to do it, with ambiguous consequences. I'm all for hunting if it is to provide food for the hunter/hunter's family...but something about seeing all those beautiful foxes laid out like that does not sit well with me. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 30, 2017 12:29:05 GMT 1
I'm all for hunting if it is to provide food for the hunter/hunter's family...but something about seeing all those beautiful foxes laid out like that does not sit well with me. If you generally support hunting, then you should do in this case because it is also about food. Foxes cause slaughter among hares and wild fowl which are much more desired by hunters as food. It is a simple life and death cycle. The more, the merrier . ... eeeh sorry, the fewer foxes today, the more hares in the future. Besides,, I already said, hunters work on behalf of nature which isn`t able to regulate the fox population effectively by means of rabis when humans interfere with their improved vaccines. But, as a farm owner, I prefer foxes than hares which have already damaged my plants worth a hundred or two. |
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Post by jeanne on Jan 31, 2017 0:58:06 GMT 1
I'm all for hunting if it is to provide food for the hunter/hunter's family...but something about seeing all those beautiful foxes laid out like that does not sit well with me. If you generally support hunting, then you should do in this case because it is also about food. Foxes cause slaughter among hares and wild fowl which are much more desired by hunters as food. It is a simple life and death cycle. The more, the merrier . ... eeeh sorry, the fewer foxes today, the more hares in the future. Besides,, I already said, hunters work on behalf of nature which isn`t able to regulate the fox population effectively by means of rabis when humans interfere with their improved vaccines. But, as a farm owner, I prefer foxes than hares which have already damaged my plants worth a hundred or two. I think nature often has incredible ways of correcting wrongs inflicted by mankind. Here's an example: in the US the beaver population was decimated by hunters in the early years of settlement due to the demand for beaver fur for gentlemen's hats in Europe. In our times, the beavers are a protected species, and the population has rebounded amazingly, to the point in many areas they are wreaking havoc with their dams and the accompanying flooding. In the years of rapid expansion and growth in the US (the past two centuries) people filled in many acres of wetlands to allow for further construction, etc. Now nature is making up for that loss of wetlands by the creation of new wetlands by the beavers. In New England, where I live, in many places the landscape has been changed dramatically from forest to wetlands. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 31, 2017 13:19:12 GMT 1
I think nature often has incredible ways of correcting wrongs inflicted by mankind. Here's an example: in the US the beaver population was decimated by hunters in the early years of settlement due to the demand for beaver fur for gentlemen's hats in Europe. In our times, the beavers are a protected species, and the population has rebounded amazingly, to the point in many areas they are wreaking havoc with their dams and the accompanying flooding. In the years of rapid expansion and growth in the US (the past two centuries) people filled in many acres of wetlands to allow for further construction, etc. Now nature is making up for that loss of wetlands by the creation of new wetlands by the beavers. In New England, where I live, in many places the landscape has been changed dramatically from forest to wetlands. Yes, nature works wonders to heal itself, but in the discussed case foxes refused to cooperate with hares in order to keep balance in nature and the matter had to be taken care of by humans. |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 21, 2017 22:25:16 GMT 1
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Post by jeanne on Nov 22, 2017 0:56:01 GMT 1
I hope none of that blood is from animals that had rabies!!   |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 22, 2017 21:51:24 GMT 1
I hope none of that blood is from animals that had rabies!! Rabies virus is in saliva, not blood!! |
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Post by jeanne on Nov 23, 2017 0:49:41 GMT 1
I hope none of that blood is from animals that had rabies!! Rabies virus is in saliva, not blood!! Are you sure it's not also in blood? I don't know, I just assumed it was in bodily fluids... |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 23, 2017 23:30:59 GMT 1
Rabies virus is in saliva, not blood!! Are you sure it's not also in blood? I don't know, I just assumed it was in bodily fluids... The Polish language has a lovely name for rabies: furiosity. www.pis.lodz.pl/wieruszow/dokumenty/Wscieklizna.pdfThe virus doesn`t exist in blood, urine and feces. |
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Post by jeanne on Nov 24, 2017 0:47:29 GMT 1
That's good to know...but somehow it doesn't make me feel any better about the blood-smearing!  |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 25, 2017 21:58:36 GMT 1
That's good to know...but somehow it doesn't make me feel any better about the blood-smearing! Come on, ancient customs must be kept, it is as clear as the skies. What would we be without our traditions? It is them which bind nations together. |
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Post by jeanne on Nov 26, 2017 2:19:50 GMT 1
That's good to know...but somehow it doesn't make me feel any better about the blood-smearing! Come on, ancient customs must be kept, it is as clear as the skies. What would we be without our traditions? It is them which bind nations together. Yes, there is truth in what you say, but I will say again, it doesn't make me feel any better about the blood-smearing!  |
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Post by petrushubertus on May 6, 2020 8:01:35 GMT 1
Is this carnage really necessary?? Actually, yes it is. It is necessary for ecological and conservation reasons. |
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Post by petrushubertus on May 6, 2020 8:12:46 GMT 1
If you generally support hunting, then you should do in this case because it is also about food. Foxes cause slaughter among hares and wild fowl which are much more desired by hunters as food. It is a simple life and death cycle. The more, the merrier . ... eeeh sorry, the fewer foxes today, the more hares in the future. Besides,, I already said, hunters work on behalf of nature which isn`t able to regulate the fox population effectively by means of rabis when humans interfere with their improved vaccines. But, as a farm owner, I prefer foxes than hares which have already damaged my plants worth a hundred or two. "I think nature often has incredible ways of correcting wrongs inflicted by mankind. Here's an example: in the US the beaver population was decimated by hunters in the early years of settlement due to the demand for beaver fur for gentlemen's hats in Europe. In our times, the beavers are a protected species, and the population has rebounded amazingly, to the point in many areas they are wreaking havoc with their dams and the accompanying flooding. In the years of rapid expansion and growth in the US (the past two centuries) people filled in many acres of wetlands to allow for further construction, etc. Now nature is making up for that loss of wetlands by the creation of new wetlands by the beavers. In New England, where I live, in many places the landscape has been changed dramatically from forest to wetlands." - You are conflating unregulated market hunting with regulated hanging. Perhaps Americans call it "sport hunting" (it's not considered sport in Germany but I am not sure about the rest of the continent). No animal population has ever been endangered by regulated hunting. In fact, regulated hunting has brought numerous game animals back from being in danger of extinction to thriving. The white tail deer and wild turkeys are two examples. Hunters have been the spearhead of conservation efforts for at least 120 years. No one puts more time, effort and money into habitat and game management than do hunters, trappers and anglers. You will find this is true in North America, Europe and Africa and I would guess most likely all other continents as well. I am not sure what you mean by "protected" but I assure you that beavers are still trapped and their furs sold. It is regulated by regulations fought for by hunters, trappers and anglers who care for the game, the fish, the fields, forests and wetlands. Regulation isn't nature correcting itself but rather man intervening doing for nature what nature FAILS to do on it's own. If nature has its way then the "correction" will be cruel and anything but balanced. It's time for the ignorance to end and the Hollywood propaganda to be opposed openly and vigorously. |
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Post by jeanne on May 6, 2020 22:31:51 GMT 1
I am not sure what you mean by "protected" but I assure you that beavers are still trapped and their furs sold. Hello, By "protected" I was referring to laws we have in the U.S. that prohibit killing or interfering in anyway with the protected animal. Beavers have been protected for quite awhile since their population had been decimated for the reason I explained in my post. Thanks for sharing your perspective. I'm not opposed to hunting for the reason of obtaining food. I have a son-in-law who hunts, but he always dresses and freezes the meat for his family's consumption. I think what bothers me about the photos of the hunting rituals in Poland is that it seems to me, and I admit this may be an assumption on my part, that these animals seem to be killed more as trophies rather than the meat being used for food. And, the ritual of the hunters smearing blood on themselves seems to me to be kind of boorish and shows a lack of respect for animals as creatures of God who were put on earth for specific reasons, whether those specific reasons are to provide food for humans or for other creatures. I don't believe these beautiful animals should be treated as playthings by humans...just my opinion...I respect your opinion as well. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 16, 2020 11:18:05 GMT 1
Beavers have been protected for quite awhile since their population had been decimated for the reason I explained in my post. Here they are partly protected - if a local Regional Environment Protection Board issues a permission, hunters can deal with beavers which cause too much damage in the area. I admit this may be an assumption on my part, that these animals seem to be killed more as trophies rather than the meat being used for food. Yes, I agree in case of foxes or wolves - I never heard of them being used as food. All the rest are consumed eagerly, I suppose. And, the ritual of the hunters smearing blood on themselves seems to me to be kind of boorish Yes, looks shocking, but traditions are stronger than humanistic views. just my opinion...I respect your opinion as well. Of course, we always respect each other`s opinions here. The latest news: The Polish Parliament refused to pass the law forbidding minors to take part in hunting and its rituals. reasons: - kids have a chance to learn about nature - kids spend time and develop a bond with hunting parents We already discussed it here: polandsite.proboards.com/thread/3442/hunting-controvercies |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 20, 2020 18:02:26 GMT 1
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Post by jeanne on Jun 21, 2020 16:30:53 GMT 1
This practice seems to deflate the defense of hunting that has been given by some people of hunting's being necessary to keep populations of animals balanced! Interesting...
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 23, 2020 16:26:37 GMT 1
They do introduce balance into nature - if hares have lived in the area since the times after the extinction of dinosaurs, it is natural that nature in those places adapted to having them and misses them when they are gone. Bringing them back is just supplementing nature with its own element which was missing.
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Post by jeanne on Jun 23, 2020 17:56:20 GMT 1
Bringing them back is just supplementing nature with its own element which was missing. ...and then they shoot them...so where is the balance? |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 23, 2020 21:04:58 GMT 1
They have to shoot them coz they reproduce too fast. How about this supposition?: Hunters are blood thirsty people, they were born with such instincts and need to relieve them from time to time. If we forbade it, they they would start hurting other people, beginning from their own families. It is better to allow them to kill animals to feel happy. That is why hunting will stay here and everywhere like other controvercial activities that people are prone to practise to get rid of tensions and stress of everyday life. |
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Post by jeanne on Jun 24, 2020 23:51:34 GMT 1
They have to shoot them coz they reproduce too fast. How about this supposition?: Hunters are blood thirsty people, they were born with such instincts and need to relieve them from time to time. If we forbade it, they they would start hurting other people, beginning from their own families. It is better to allow them to kill animals to feel happy. That is why hunting will stay here and everywhere like other controvercial activities that people are prone to practise to get rid of tensions and stress of everyday life. This is sad, but probably true...it's all part of living in an imperfect world.  |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 31, 2020 16:38:56 GMT 1
it's all part of living in an imperfect world. It has never been perfect. We can only hope to move to the perfect one when we leave this one. |
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