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Post by Bonobo on Jan 14, 2009 21:20:58 GMT 1
Hmm, Jeanne, let me draw your attention to one occurence of inconsistency which took place in your post, here Arrrrrrgggg!!!! I can't believe I'm reading these words!!! and here ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It all suggests that the conditions which prevented women from becoming female priests in the past are no longer valid. So, let them be these priests if they want to. Knowing Jesus` mercy, I am sure he wouldn`t mind. I don`t have another! ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by gigi on Jan 14, 2009 23:02:35 GMT 1
What??!! I have never said that my (our) sex is better!!... ...After centuries of staying close to intelligent men, women have also gained enough intelligence and are able to carry on with the task. What was it that you were not saying???  |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 14, 2009 23:58:23 GMT 1
What??!! I have never said that my (our) sex is better!!... ...After centuries of staying close to intelligent men, women have also gained enough intelligence and are able to carry on with the task. What was it that you were not saying??? ooops, what are you asking about ? |
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Post by jeanne on Jan 15, 2009 0:31:47 GMT 1
Women's faith is so much stronger than men's. First of all I must say I love to read this dispute. Secondly, I must say I was with you Jeanne  ... until you have used the same type of argumentation as Bo does - 'my sex is better' ;D ;D I will now have to rethink it all again....  ;D No, no, no, Tufta, you missed my point. My argument all along has been that the sexes are EQUAL, but DIFFERENT. We have complementary roles in some aspects. If I sounded like I was saying that 'my sex is better', sorry, I just got a little miffed at Bonobo and lapsed into using his own tactics against him... |
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Post by jeanne on Jan 15, 2009 0:36:08 GMT 1
After centuries of staying close to intelligent men, women have also gained enough intelligence and are able to carry on with the task.  |
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Post by jeanne on Jan 15, 2009 0:41:10 GMT 1
Hmm, Jeanne, let me draw your attention to one occurence of inconsistency which took place in your post, here Arrrrrrgggg!!!! I can't believe I'm reading these words!!! and here ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I was referring to belief in GOD, not belief in BONOBO! And let me just say that over the twenty-one centuries of Christianity, many, many more people have learned the Faith at their mother's knee than from any priest...and that is indeed is the glory of Jesus' women followers. ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 15, 2009 11:02:45 GMT 1
I was referring to belief in GOD, not belief in BONOBO! What`s the difference? Yes, but it is not enough for women and their supporters. |
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Post by tufta on Jan 15, 2009 16:58:51 GMT 1
I just got a little miffed at Bonobo and lapsed into using his own tactics against him... I know this state of mind, I have conversed with Bo I would have suffocated him long ago if he wasn't such milusi and śliczniusi after all ;D ;D Seriously - I fully understand your stance and support it. Sorry, Bo, at least I don't turn around that knife in your back |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 15, 2009 22:01:48 GMT 1
Seriously - I fully understand your stance and support it. Sorry, Bo, at least I don't turn around that knife in your back It isn`t a knife. It is a bayonette!  |
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Post by jeanne on Jan 15, 2009 23:11:36 GMT 1
I was referring to belief in GOD, not belief in BONOBO! What`s the difference? Somehow I knew you would say that... ;D I'm a supporter of women...just not as priests. |
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Post by jeanne on Jan 15, 2009 23:15:40 GMT 1
I just got a little miffed at Bonobo and lapsed into using his own tactics against him... I know this state of mind, I have conversed with Bo I would have suffocated him long ago if he wasn't such milusi and śliczniusi after all ;D ;D Yes, to know him is to love him... Thanks for your support, Tufta!! ;D ;D |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 16, 2009 0:08:08 GMT 1
Some to this day, think God is a women, but that can't be, since he did such a great job building everything.
Mike
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Post by tufta on Jan 16, 2009 14:29:57 GMT 1
Some to this day, think God is a women, but that can't be, since he did such a great job building everything. Mike God is fully androgynic  |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 16, 2009 16:42:29 GMT 1
Than you say, God is a maphroditie. You may go to hell for that.
Mike
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Post by uncltim on Jan 16, 2009 23:23:11 GMT 1
I can resist making comment no longer!
Women should not be ordained as a priest. In fact, The Bible provides evidence that there are no women in heaven!
My proof? Revelation, 8:1
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Post by valpomike on Jan 17, 2009 1:34:17 GMT 1
No women in heaven, than I don't want to go.
Mike
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Post by jeanne on Jan 17, 2009 2:40:13 GMT 1
I can resist making comment no longer! Women should not be ordained as a priest. In fact, The Bible provides evidence that there are no women in heaven! My proof? Revelation, 8:1 Tim. (back to my lurking) hahahaha, Uncle Tim! Let's not complicate the conflict by stereo-typing women as being the talkers!!! Many men give us a run for our money as far as that goes! ;D ;D |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 17, 2009 16:16:27 GMT 1
Tufta,
After you called God a name, you would not reply, Why ?
Did you not mean what you said ? Was this a error ?
Mike
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Post by tufta on Jan 18, 2009 11:13:34 GMT 1
Tufta, After you called God a name, you would not reply, Why ? Did you not mean what you said ? Was this a error ? Mike I did not reply first of all because I missed your post. I can see it now, you wrote "Than you say, God is a maphroditie. You may go to hell for that. Mike". So, even when I see it, I don't feel I should necessarily reply to it. But if you feel so, I will. I didn't say God is maphrodite, since I don't know what is a maphrodite. I have said God is androgynic. It was of course a simplification, as I cannot know what is God in reality, I can only say how I imagine God in my primitive or simple, manly manner. I imagine God is not against such imaginations, as I do these in good faith. Also, when I quarrel with God, I do it in good faith, having faith. And when I sometimes doubt his existence in my faith, I do it in good faith. The outcome of all those doings of myself in relation to God, is that if I go to hell, I will agree. I repeat everyday 'may Your will not mine happen'. Lastly, I don't think even having faith in God is prerequisite to not going to hell. But that is another story and I feel we are now too far from what we're talking about. Coming back to the main subject. It was a simplification, but in my opinion a much better one than saying God is a man or a woman. In my imagination God is neither a woman nor a man. God is not androgyne either. Yet at the same time God is a man and a woman and God is androgyne, all three at once. And at the same time God is more than being a man and a woman and an androgyne all at once. Gender, not to mention even more superfical thing as sex, arre not able to define God. At least that is how I understand that, Mike. I hope I didn't make it all too complicated so in place of amking my point more clear I made it more obscure. If the latter happened, please excuse me. |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 18, 2009 16:45:42 GMT 1
The word you picked did have another meaning, as per the dictionary, please check this out.
I am sorry, if this is not the word you wanted to use.
Mike
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Post by jeanne on Jan 18, 2009 16:45:50 GMT 1
Seriously - I fully understand your stance and support it. Sorry, Bo, at least I don't turn around that knife in your back Tufta, If you can stand one more comment on this issue, I just want to say that my stance is the one the Church teaches. The reasons for denying women the priesthood because Jesus only chose men as Apostles and because priests act 'in persona Christi' are the reasons the Church (guided by the Holy Spirit as Jesus promised) puts forth. So many times, when people reject the teachings of the Church it comes down to simply not understanding WHY the Church teaches something. Everything the Church teaches has a very good reason behind it, and if one does not understand that teaching, it is definitely worth the time to research it! |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 18, 2009 17:11:20 GMT 1
You tell him, give him both barrels.
Mike
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Post by gigi on Jan 18, 2009 21:14:58 GMT 1
I didn't say God is maphrodite, since I don't know what is a maphrodite. Neither do we... I think he meant hermaphrodite. |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 1, 2019 8:20:57 GMT 1
It seems the Pope has made the first move to allow women become priests. At last!
With that in mind, what the Amazon synod fathers also decided is perhaps even more groundbreaking. On Saturday, they approved a proposal to open the long-closed door to the ordination of women as deacons by agreeing to study the matter. And if women are allowed to be deacons, that could one day pave the way to female priests. www.thedailybeast.com/bishops-ask-pope-to-approve-married-priests-women-deaconsJeanne, in 2009 we discussed the issue and you said Jesus appointed only males for 12 apostles and that we should follow this tradition today. Have you changed your opinion since then? It is obvious he couldn`t choose females due to their low position in the societies at the time. But the times have changed and the position of a woman is much higher today. Barring women from priesthood means further degeneracy of the CHurch which is slowly becoming a completely obsolete institution in the eyes of a growing number of people. Changes must take place in order to save the Church and Catholic religion. What do you think? |
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Post by jeanne on Nov 3, 2019 0:00:38 GMT 1
Pope Francis already appointed a commission in August of 2016 to study the possibility of women being ordained as deacons: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Study_Commission_on_the_Women%27s_DiaconateThe outcome was that the commission could not reach an agreement, and there were too many questions regarding what the role of women deacons was in the early Church: www.americamagazine.org/faith/2019/05/07/pope-francis-says-commission-women-deacons-did-not-reach-agreementSo they are proposing it be looked at again, but that does not mean it will have a positive outcome this time, or even if they agree on women deacons, that they will eventually be allowed to be priests. In 2009 Pope Benedict made a ruling that the diaconate and the priesthood are specific ministries and not stages of the same ministry. This provided that if women were eventually ordained as deacons, they still could not be priests because the two are distinct ministries. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Study_Commission_on_the_Women%27s_Diaconate
On 26 October 2009, Pope Benedict XVI modified canon law to clarify the distinction between deacons and priests, noting that only the latter act "in the person of Christ", that the diaconate and priesthood are specific ministries rather than stages the sacrament of order,[7] thereby ending the argument that women can not be deacons because they can not be priests.[8]I think it's a bit early for people to get excited about women becoming deacons...the wheels of the Church turn very slowly. Perhaps they will compromise and allow women to perform baptisms (since all Christians are allowed to baptize as long as they use the correct formula and there is the absence of a priest); preside at weddings, since it is the couple themselves who by their vows administer the sacrament of matrimony to each other; and preside a funerals services (not funeral Masses) which lay people (Pastoral Associates, some who are women...at least in the U.S.) already do. These are the ministries which are needed in the Amazon area, and this could be accomplished without ordaining women as deacons. Deacons do all these ministries anyway. I do not think it is necessary to ordain women as priests, to save the Church from, as you say, from "becoming a completely obsolete institution in the eyes of a growing number of people. Changes must take place in order to save the Church and Catholic religion." From the earliest times of the Church, there has been trouble, scandal, and declining numbers time and time again in the Church. Why? Because the Church is made up of humans who are imperfect. Christ has promised that he will not abandon his Church, and that the "gates of hell will not prevail against it." This is part of the Catholic faith, and those who believe put their faith in Christ's word. Clutching at straws like the women priests is a faithless response to the problems the Church is suffering now. That's what I think...since you asked! |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 3, 2019 8:58:25 GMT 1
I think it's a bit early for people to get excited about women becoming deacons...the wheels of the Church turn very slowly. OK, I will calm down. The wheels or the mills? Christ has promised that he will not abandon his Church, and that the "gates of hell will not prevail against it." That`s a good reminder. |
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Post by jeanne on Nov 3, 2019 13:22:05 GMT 1
The wheels of the mills!  |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 3, 2019 17:01:01 GMT 1
The wheels of the mills! Because the Polish and not only saying goes: The divine mills grind slowly. |
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... until you have used the same type of argumentation as Bo does - 'my sex is better' ;D ;D I will now have to rethink it all again.... 
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