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Post by Bonobo on Mar 31, 2019 14:28:06 GMT 1
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Post by jeanne on Mar 31, 2019 22:25:22 GMT 1
Teacher`s career is divided into 4 levels of promotion: trainee, nominated, contract, certified. The whole path takes about 15 years. Teachers take an oath when they become nominated. It takes place in the local council or town hall. The Teacher`s Charter states among others:
Teachers should educate and raise the youth in accordance with the love of the Motherland, the abidance with the Constitution, the atmosphere of freedom of conscience and respect for every person.
Teachers should develop in students moral and civil values in accordance with the ideas of democracy, peace and friendship between people of different nationalities, races and beliefs.Aha...perhaps here is where U.S. public education has gone astray... Those are noble ideals. I'm sure many U.S. teachers personally have those ideals, but spelling them out in this manner of a charter gives them so much more legitimacy!! Teachers should educate and raise the youth in accordance with the love of the Motherland, the abidance with the Constitution, the atmosphere of freedom of conscience and respect for every person, "as long as it is politically correct," is unfortunately what happens here. |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 1, 2019 21:33:34 GMT 1
Teachers should educate and raise the youth in accordance with the love of the Motherland, the abidance with the Constitution, the atmosphere of freedom of conscience and respect for every person, "as long as it is politically correct," is unfortunately what happens here. Hmm, I must be tired because I can`t imagine how PC can negatively affect US teachers` ideals. |
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Post by jeanne on Apr 2, 2019 0:32:27 GMT 1
Teachers should educate and raise the youth in accordance with the love of the Motherland, the abidance with the Constitution, the atmosphere of freedom of conscience and respect for every person, "as long as it is politically correct," is unfortunately what happens here. Hmm, I must be tired because I can`t imagine how PC can negatively affect US teachers` ideals. What I mean is that the social climate here now is that people support freedom of conscience and respect for every person as long as the conscience and the person are in agreement with the prevailing liberal beliefs which are the "politically correct" views. |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 5, 2019 6:19:00 GMT 1
What I mean is that the social climate here now is that people support freedom of conscience and respect for every person as long as the conscience and the person are in agreement with the prevailing liberal beliefs which are the "politically correct" views. E.g., does it mean that an Am leftist teacher has the right to criticise and scold a student who openly declares rightist opinions? And work on him/her to change their incorrect views? |
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Post by jeanne on Apr 5, 2019 22:57:54 GMT 1
What I mean is that the social climate here now is that people support freedom of conscience and respect for every person as long as the conscience and the person are in agreement with the prevailing liberal beliefs which are the "politically correct" views. E.g., does it mean that an Am leftist teacher has the right to criticise and scold a student who openly declares rightist opinions? And work on him/her to change their incorrect views? Well, I don't know if we are talking about "rights" here, but rather what actually happens. I will say that it does happen that some teachers may imply through their language that the student's conservative views are not acceptable, and they may even make fun of them. I've never seen a teacher actually try to change the student's "incorrect" views in a deliberate way, but in a more general-speaking-to-the-whole-class situation. That doesn't mean any teacher hasn't tried to openly and deliberately target a student...I've just never seen it. This is why the numbers of home-schooled children are growing here... |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 6, 2019 20:14:14 GMT 1
I will say that it does happen that some teachers may imply through their language that the student's conservative views are not acceptable, and they may even make fun of them. I've never seen a teacher actually try to change the student's "incorrect" views in a deliberate way, but in a more general-speaking-to-the-whole-class situation. That doesn't mean any teacher hasn't tried to openly and deliberately target a student...I've just never seen it. This is why the numbers of home-schooled children are growing here... I see. As far as I know, my colleagues, like me, don`t talk about politics or personal views in regular class. We just teach. It might be different, though, during tutorial hours - a few years ago I used to discuss racism, ideologies, LGBT, refugees, the EU, etc with my students. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 6, 2019 16:45:56 GMT 1
Well, I don't know if we are talking about "rights" here, but rather what actually happens. I will say that it does happen that some teachers may imply through their language that the student's conservative views are not acceptable, and they may even make fun of them. I've never seen a teacher actually try to change the student's "incorrect" views in a deliberate way, but in a more general-speaking-to-the-whole-class situation. That doesn't mean any teacher hasn't tried to openly and deliberately target a student...I've just never seen it. This is why the numbers of home-schooled children are growing here... Sometimes teachers with incorrect views are threatened with dismissal. Just like this lady: Georgia Clark: Teacher who asked Trump to round up ‘illegal students’ thought her tweets were private messages
Georgia Clark, a veteran high school English teacher in Fort Worth, Texas, had an urgent request for Donald Trump: She needed help pulling undocumented immigrants from her school.
"Mr President, Fort Worth Independent School District is loaded with illegal students from Mexico," Ms Clark wrote 17 May on her now-deleted Twitter account, @rebecca1939.
"Anything you can do to remove the illegals from Fort Worth would be greatly appreciated," she wrote in another tweet.
Ms Clark was careful in her approach, she believed, and told the president she needed guarantees her identity would be protected when action was taken. "Texas will not protect whistle blowers. The Mexicans refuse to honour our flag," she wrote.
Ms Clark said she did not mean for everyone to see her thoughts and requests on immigration. She said she believed the tweets were private between her and the president.
But the very public messages have now embroiled her school district in scandal - and they could get her fired.www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/teacher-trump-georgia-clark-undocumented-students-texas-a8944701.html |
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Post by jeanne on Jul 6, 2019 18:51:33 GMT 1
Well, I don't know if we are talking about "rights" here, but rather what actually happens. I will say that it does happen that some teachers may imply through their language that the student's conservative views are not acceptable, and they may even make fun of them. I've never seen a teacher actually try to change the student's "incorrect" views in a deliberate way, but in a more general-speaking-to-the-whole-class situation. That doesn't mean any teacher hasn't tried to openly and deliberately target a student...I've just never seen it. This is why the numbers of home-schooled children are growing here... Sometimes teachers with incorrect views are threatened with dismissal. Just like this lady: Georgia Clark: Teacher who asked Trump to round up ‘illegal students’ thought her tweets were private messages
Georgia Clark, a veteran high school English teacher in Fort Worth, Texas, had an urgent request for Donald Trump: She needed help pulling undocumented immigrants from her school.
"Mr President, Fort Worth Independent School District is loaded with illegal students from Mexico," Ms Clark wrote 17 May on her now-deleted Twitter account, @rebecca1939.
"Anything you can do to remove the illegals from Fort Worth would be greatly appreciated," she wrote in another tweet.
Ms Clark was careful in her approach, she believed, and told the president she needed guarantees her identity would be protected when action was taken. "Texas will not protect whistle blowers. The Mexicans refuse to honour our flag," she wrote.
Ms Clark said she did not mean for everyone to see her thoughts and requests on immigration. She said she believed the tweets were private between her and the president.
But the very public messages have now embroiled her school district in scandal - and they could get her fired.www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/teacher-trump-georgia-clark-undocumented-students-texas-a8944701.htmlI don't think contacting the President was the best plan of action...she should have been working within the school system to see how the problem could be addressed. School districts have a lot of freedom to act; though I'm not sure what the school climate is in Texas. But, regardless, problems should be handled on a local level if possible. Is removing the illegals the only course of action, or could they apply for some kind of state/federal aid to help them deal with the situation? I don't think it's part of the schools' job to determine who should be removed from the city...that job belongs to government, so her first mistake was involving herself in that mess. Her second mistake, and I have no sympathy for her here, is that she thought something she put on the internet would remain private! Come on!  We all know that anything you put out there can come back and bite you!! ...especially if someone (like the President) can gain/profit from what one is saying! |
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We all know that anything you put out there can come back and bite you!! ...especially if someone (like the President) can gain/profit from what one is saying!