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Post by pjotr on Jan 13, 2020 19:40:53 GMT 1
When President Trump’s former strategist, Steve Bannon, was ousted from his White House post, he didn't disappear. He went to Europe and is heading up new projects to support right-wing populist parties that are currently surging across the continent. Vice News sent Michael Moynihan to Sweden, Italy, and Belgium to track Bannon and see the rise of Europe’s right-wing populist movement firsthand. Comment (criticism) Pieter: I quote Wikipedia: " This video is interesting and actual concerning the present growth and international Rightwing National Populist movement in Europe. But you see that it is a little bit behind track, because they talk about the populist regionalist, radical right Northern League, and the populist left-libertarian Five Star movement who formed a coalition government in Italy. That coalition fell in 2019 after a conflict between both parties about the construction of the Italian part of Turin–Lyon high-speed railway. After a vote in the Senate regarding the progress of the Turin–Lyon high-speed railway, in which the Lega voted against an attempt of the M5S (The Five Star Movement (Italian: Movimento 5 Stelle) to block the construction works. Many political analysts believe the no confidence motion was an attempt to force early elections to improve Lega's standing in Parliament, ensuring Salvini could become the next Prime Minister. On 20 August, following the parliamentary debate in which Giuseppe Conte, the 58th and current Prime Minister of Italy since 1 June 2018, harshly accused Salvini of being a political opportunist who "had triggered the political crisis only to serve his personal interest", the Prime Minister resigned his post to President Sergio Mattarella.
Conte, a non-party candidate (impartial) became the first person in the history of the Italian Republic to lead governments in the same legislature, both with the right-wing and the left-wing. Conte's first Cabinet, which included Five Star's leader Luigi Di Maio and the League's leader Matteo Salvini, was considered by many newspapers such as The New York Times and la Repubblica as the first populist government in modern Western Europe. Moreover, he was the first person to assume the premiership without prior government or administrative service since Silvio Berlusconi in 1994 and the first Prime Minister from Southern Italy since the Christian Democrat Ciriaco De Mita in 1989. Conte has been often nicknamed "the lawyer of the people" (l'avvocato del popolo), as he defined himself during his first speech as Prime Minister.
The present Conte II Cabinet is the 66th cabinet of the Italian Republic and the second cabinet led by Giuseppe Conte. The government was sworn in on 5 September 2019.
The cabinet is supported by the anti-establishment Five Star Movement (M5S) and the centre-left Democratic Party (PD), along with the leftist parliamentary group Free and Equal (LeU) and, since 17 September, the centrist party Italia Viva (IV), which splintered from the PD on that day. The government has been referred to as the "yellow-red government" (governo giallorosso), based on the customary colours of the main supporting parties.
The Conte II Cabinet is the one with the lowest average age of its members in the history of the Italian Republic.
The Turin–Lyon high-speed railway is a rail line under construction between the cities of Turin and Lyon. It will link the Italian and French high-speed rail networks and will be 270 km (170 mi)-long. The core of the project is the Mont d'Ambin Base Tunnel, a 57.5 kilometres (35.7 mi)-long tunnel crossing the Alps between Susa valley in Italy and Maurienne in France. The tunnel will be the longest rail tunnel in the world, ahead of the 57.1 km Gotthard Base Tunnel. It represents one third of the estimated overall cost of the project and is the only part of the line where work has started."  Vice News (stylized as VICE News) is Vice Media's current affairs channel, producing daily documentary essays and video through its website and YouTube channel. It promotes itself on its coverage of "under-reported stories". Vice News was created in December 2013 and is based in New York City, though it has bureaus worldwide.Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conte_II_CabinetHistoryBefore Vice News was founded, Vice published news documentaries and news reports from around the world through its YouTube channel alongside other programs. Vice had reported on events such as crime in Venezuela, the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, protests in Turkey, the North Korean regime, and the Syrian Civil War through their own YouTube channel and website. After the creation of Vice News as a separate division, its reporting greatly increased with worldwide coverage starting immediately with videos published on YouTube and articles on its website daily.
December 2013, Vice Media expanded its international news division into an independent division dedicated to news exclusively and created Vice News. Vice Media put $50 million into its news division, setting up 34 bureaus worldwide and drawing praise for its in-depth coverage of international news. Vice News has primarily targeted a younger audience comprised predominantly of millennials, the same audience to which its parent company appeals.ReportersVice News had more than 100 members of its reporting and editorial staff in 35 bureaux around the world including New York City, Toronto, London, Berlin, Mexico City, São Paulo, Los Angeles, Istanbul, Moscow, Beijing, and Kabul. On April 21, 2014, while covering the conflict in Ukraine, Simon Ostrovsky, a Vice News reporter was kidnapped by pro-Russian militia and held for three days until being released in Sloviansk.www.vice.com/en_us/section/newswww.youtube.com/user/vicenews
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Post by pjotr on Jan 13, 2020 19:41:15 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Jan 13, 2020 19:42:19 GMT 1
Folks,
My humble analysis from my North-West European corner of Europe today in januari 2020 is that the Continental European centre right conservative right and the far right National Populist Right with it's National conservative, Nationalist, anti-migration and anti-EU and Pro-Brexit and Pro-Trump stance is stronger than the traditional Centre left and left in Europe, because they are strong in their respective corners. The left is hopelessly polarised inside the left. The only successful parties on the left are the Green Parties of Europe. Les Verts (the Greens) in France, Bündnis 90/Die Grünen (Alliance 90/The Greens in Germany), GroenLinks (GreenLeft) in the Netherlands, Die Grünen – Die Grüne Alternative ('The Greens – The Green Alternative') in Austria, Ecolo and Groen (Green) in Belgium, the Enhedslisten – De Rød-Grønne (literally Unity List – The Red–Greens), the Eco Socialist Socialist People's Party (Danish: Socialistisk Folkeparti, SF), and the Alternativet green political party in Denmark and the quite successful British English and Welsh eco socialist party, the Green Party of England and Wales in the United Kingdom.
In my country the centre left Labour Party, the centre left GreenLeft (GroenLinks) party and the leftwing Socialist Party are hopelessly polarised. The Party of Animals follows it's own course and the centre left to centrist social liberal D66 party is part of the government coalition and in that is linked to the conservative liberal VVD party (the largest party of the Netherlands and a centre right political party, the party of Prime Minister Mark Rutte), the social conservative Christian Democratic and centre right CDA party and the centre right Christian Union. Leftwing Union and cooperation is further away than ever, but the left has always had a tradition in Europe of discord, quarrels and political fighting with each other. The Social Democrats and Communists clashed most of the 20th century, leftwing socialist parties always criticised the pragmatic and market oriented policies of Labour parties which ruled together with centre right Christian Democratic and conservative parties in Europe in National coalitions.
Today the far right national populists have little competition on the right and can easily attack the centre right, the centre left, the left and the far left. They attack the centre right conservative liberals (Pro Market -Laisez Faire- Classical liberals), the Christian Democrats, the traditional conservatives, they attack centrist parties like the social Liberal D66 party, they keep attacking the Social Democratic Labour party, who already lost more than half of the votes in many European countries. The power of the Rightwing Nationalist Populists comes from the fact that they use a chastened, camouflaged, and rebranded version of the former Neo-Nazi, Neo-Fascist, Neo-Falangist, Neo-White nationalist, Identitarian, nativist versions of the former aggressive, violent, extreme right of classical West-European Neo-Nazi activists, Nazi Skins and far right Hooligans and activists, and use that chastened racism, xenophobia, hatred, aversion towards minorities, anti-Eastern-European sentiment, islamophobia, discrimination and merged it with centre right political marketing and experience of former classical liberals and christian democrats who became National Rightwing Populists, and with certain popular leftwing Social Democratic, Marxist and leftwing Populist and Leftwing nationalist elements.
The New Rightwing National Populist movements and political parties in Europe are very clever, very modern, very sophisticated, very well organised, very cunning, very shrewd, very intelligent, very successful, very energetic, very activist and lasting political organisations. Why because some of them exist for decades, because they attract the former voting base of Social Democratic, Marxist, Christian Democratic, Classical Liberal and Christian Democratic political parties who build coalition governments for decades and who ruled for decades. There are people inside these New National Rightwing Populist movements and political parties who were successful members of former centrist Democratic government parties of the centre left and centre right in Western-Europe. These people brought the campaigning tactics, strategic skills, grassroots movement building skills, political marketing skills, political congress organisation (from Labour and Christian Democratic parties), voters action skills, street campaigning (from door to door), campaign material (flyers, folders, posters, magazines, blogs, twitter feeds, Facebook pages and websites and youtube video's), and know how to act in city councils of the muncipalities with their former councillor skills, in the provincial or state councils and in national parliaments, because like Geert Wilders for instance they were parliamentarians for centre right or centre left political parties (both opposition and government in the past).
The Rightwing National Populist parties have attractive websites, youtube video's and appearances of their parliamentarians or senators on tv, radio, the newspapers, magazines and news blogs of the mainstream media.
Examples are the following:
The United KIngdom: www.thebrexitparty.org/
Germany: www.afd.de/
France: rassemblementnational.fr/
Hungary: fidesz-eu.hu/en/
Poland: pis.org.pl/ , www.facebook.com/solidarnapl/ , ruchnarodowy.net/ , www.lpr.pl/ , mw.org.pl/ and the ultranationalist national-revolutionary far-right political party Narodowe Odrodzenie Polski (NOP) ( en.nop.org.pl/ )
Austria: www.fpoe.at/
Switzerland: www.svp.ch/partei/
Denmark: danskfolkeparti.dk/
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The Netherlands: www.pvv.nl/ and forumvoordemocratie.nl/ and Identitarian Resistance ( www.idverzet.org/ ), Pegida Netherlands ( www.pegidanederland.com/ ), and the Dutch Peoples Union (Nederlandse VolksUnie) ( nvu.info/ )
Belgium: www.vlaamsbelang.org/
Italy: www.leganord.org/
Spain: www.voxespana.es/
Czech Republic: www.anobudelip.cz/cs/ and www.spd.cz/
The Slovak Smer – sociálna demokracia is a strange party, because it's fit's the description of a Rightwing national Populist party in Western Europe due to it's anti-immigration, populist and nationalist stances. Ok, it is a Social Democratic Labour party, but a strange one with it's leftwing populism and leftwing nationalism. It is very close to a Rightwing National Populist Party. That's why I post the party in this list. The party is a strange duck in the European landscape of political parties: www.strana-smer.sk/ (Wonder what Kaima thinks of Smer? )
Greece: elliniki-lisi.gr/ and xrisiavgi.com/en/
Slovenia: www.sds.si/ ( The Slovenian Democratic Party (Slovene: Slovenska demokratska stranka, SDS), formerly the Social Democratic Party of Slovenia (Slovene: Socialdemokratska stranka Slovenije, SDSS), is a nationalist right-wing populist political party in Slovenia. It is the largest Slovenian political party in the Slovenian parliament.) and www.sns.si/ / www.sns.si/vep/ (The Slovenian National Party (Slovene: Slovenska Nacionalna Stranka, SNS) is a nationalist political party in Slovenia led by Zmago Jelinčič Plemeniti. The party is known for its Euroscepticism and opposes Slovenia's membership in NATO. It also opposes what it considers historical revisionism of events in Slovenia during World War II and to an extent is sympathetic towards the former Yugoslav government of Josip Broz Tito. The rightwing to far right Slovenian National Party is Slovenian nationalist, Social conservative, Economic nationalist, Right-wing populist, Eurosceptic, Anticlerical and has Yugoslavist ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavism ) and even Titoist ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titoism ) elements.
Croatia: www.neovisni.hr/ , www.h-rast.hr/, www.hdssb.hr/ , www.zivizid.hr/ , snaga.hr/ and promijenimohrvatsku.hr/
Serbia: www.sns.org.rs/ , www.srpskaradikalnastranka.org.rs/ , and the Leftwing Nationalist and Leftwing Populist Socialist Party of Serbia www.sps.org.rs/ of Slobodan Milošević (1941 – 2006), and the Populist, National conservative, Social conservative and regionalist United Serbia ( www.jedinstvenasrbija.org.rs/ ).
Bosnia: The Bosnian Muslim Party of Democratic Action ( sda.ba/ ), the Bosnian Serb Alliance of Independent Social Democrats ( www.snsd.org/ ) and the Bosnian Croat Croatian Democratic Union of Bosnia and Herzegovina ( www.hdzbih.org/ ), the separatist Serb Nationalist Party Serb Democratic Party ( www.sdsrs.com/ ), the Serb Nationalist, National Conservative and conservative Party of Democratic Progress ( pdp.rs.ba/ )
Finland: The far right Finnish nationalist, National conservative, Economic nationalist, Social conservative, Right-wing populist, Eurosceptic and Anti-immigration political party, the Finns Party ( Perussuomalaiset) ( www.perussuomalaiset.fi/ ) and Soldiers of Odin (SOO), a Nationalist group founded in Kemi, Finland, in October 2015. The group was established as a response to thousands of migrants arriving in Finland amid the European migrant crisis. Their call themselves a "patriotic organisation that fights for a white Finland" that wants to scare away "Islamist intruders" they say "cause insecurity and increase crime".
The opposing populist left, far left, extreme left, leftwing nationalists often use the same rhetoric, clothing and agitprop the Rightwing National Populists use. Both shout aggressive slogans, are dominant and intimidating in their presence and have only one truth. Their truth. Both can be violent or harass their opponents. Steve Bannon has expressed his sympathy for leftwing populist and authoritarian leaders from China, Russia and Turkey.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 13, 2020 19:50:24 GMT 1
To my surprise some Americans see Geert Wilders as a great hero, while he has achieved little in the Netherlands in the sense of financial, economical, housing, social security, constructive politics and coalition building or constructive oppostion. He only repeats the same thing over and over again. The Islam is a danger for Europe and Islamic schools, Islamic universities, Islamic community centers and mosques must be closed and there must be less immigrants and immigration from Muslim countries should stopped and the borders should be closed. Of course he is a fan of Donald Trump and Brexit and anti-Brussels/Anti-EU. And he loves Viktor Orbán, Vladimir Putin and Benjamin Netanyahu.
Geert Wilders of the rightwing Populist and Nationalist Freedom Party (PVV)
Thierry Baudet of the rightwing Populist and Nationalist Forum for Democracy party
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Post by pjotr on Jan 13, 2020 20:08:33 GMT 1
Listen from 38:22. I am not a fan, voter or supporter of Geert Wilders but what these 2 people say contains some truth. I interviewed him twice in Arnhem and the security around him is like that of the American president. He is guarded 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year and drives around in armoured vehicles.Before Geert Wilders you had rightwing populist politicians like Frits Bolkestein and Pim Fortuyn and the critical journalist and movie director Theo van Gogh. Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh were murdered in 2002 and 2004. Geert Wilders started to get death treats since 2005. Because he supported or stood after the message of Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who made the movie Fitna ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(film) ). Geert Wilders who was a parliamentarian of the centre right conservative liberal VVD party of the present prime minister Mark Rutte, left the VVD and started his own group Wilders, that later became the Freedom Party (PVV).
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Post by pjotr on Jan 13, 2020 20:11:38 GMT 1
Thierry Baudet talks about Nationalism in Hungary
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Post by pjotr on Jan 13, 2020 20:17:55 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 13, 2020 22:25:28 GMT 1
Really? Funny. At a first glance sounds like a party made of animals. Reminds me a wonderful song by Manowar - I am an animal! I just listened to their CD today: You will like it: In my country the centre left Labour Party, the centre left GreenLeft (GroenLinks) party and the leftwing Socialist Party The Party of Animals the centre left to centrist social liberal D66 party conservative liberal VVD party (the largest party of the Netherlands and a centre right political party, the party of Prime Minister Mark Rutte), the social conservative Christian Democratic and centre right CDA party and the centre right Christian Union. Leftwing Union The Social Democrats and Communists Are all these parties in Dutch Parliament?
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Post by pjotr on Jan 14, 2020 1:29:13 GMT 1
Socialistische Partij (SP) Yes they are they are all in the Dutch parliament. We even have a leftist, socialist, leftwing Social Democratic party, de Socialistische Partij, who still uses classical Marxist and anti-capitalist propaganda. During the seventies the Socialistische Partij was a Marxist-Leninist Maoist Party with a Peking (China) orientation, while the Dutch communist party, CPN, was a Moscow oriented Marxist-Leninist Party. Today the Socialist Party merges leftwing Social democratic ideology with leftwing Populism and leftwing nationalism. The party has both native Dutch and migrant parliamentarians and councillors in the city councils of various muncipalities.` HistoryThe Socialist Party was founded in October 1971 as a Maoist party named the Communist Party of the Netherlands/Marxist–Leninist (KPN/ML). This KPN/ML was formed following a split from the Communist Unity Movement of the Netherlands (Marxist–Leninist). The issue that provoked the split from KEN(ml) was an intense debate on the role of intellectuals in the class struggle. The founders of KPN/ML, with Daan Monjé in a prominent role, belonged to the proletarian wing of the KEN(ml), who did not want an organisation dominated by students and intellectuals. In 1972, KPN/ML changed its name to Socialistiese Partij (Socialist Party). Even in its early years, while adhering to Maoist principles such as organising the masses, the SP was very critical of the Communist Party of China, condemning, for example, the support of the Chinese party for Unita in Angola (The brochure: "Antwoord aan de dikhuiden van de KEN").
The SP started to build a network of local parties, with strong local roots. The SP had its own General Practitioners' offices, provided advice to citizens and set up local action groups. This developed within front organisations, for instance separate trade unions, environmental organisations and tenant associations. This work resulted in a strong representation in several municipal legislatures, notably in Oss. Also in some States-Provincial the SP gained a foothhold, especially in the province of North Brabant.
Since 1977 SP attempted to enter the House of Representatives. The party failed in 1977, 1981, 1982, 1986 and 1989. In 1991, the party officially scrapped the term Marxism–Leninism, because the party had evolved to the point that the term was no longer considered appropriate.
The party labels itself as socialist, but has also been described as social democratic. In its manifesto of principles it calls for a society where human dignity, equality and solidarity are most important. Its core issues are employment, social welfare and investing in public education, public safety and health care. The party opposes privatisation of public services and is critical of globalisation.
Traditional voters for the Socialistische Partij are people of the native Dutch working class, Labour Union people, lower middle class people, civil servants and people where the party had a traditional base, Oss in Northern Brabant, Rotterdam and Nijmegen for instance. The Socialistische party is always in competition with the Social Democratic Labour Party, de Partij van de Arbeid (the Party of Labour, PvdA) and also competes with GreenLeft (GroenLinks) and the rightwing populist PVV party of Geert Wilders. The Socialist Party investigated the exploitation of Polish workers in the Netherlands and Ukrainian workers in Poland
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Post by pjotr on Jan 14, 2020 1:46:09 GMT 1
Dutch Turkish Kurd parliamentarian of the Socialist Party urges people to sign a petition against a war with Iran
Armenian Genocide Memorial Amsterdam
This socialist struggles for equal pay for young people, who have separate lower youth wages in the Netherlands
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Post by pjotr on Jan 14, 2020 2:32:58 GMT 1
Bo, these are the politcial parties in the Dutch parlaiment, the House of Representatives, de Tweede Kamer, the Second Chamber:
1) - People's Party for Freedom and Democracy VVD Mark Rutte 2,238,351 21.3 −5.3 33 −8
(The VVD is a conservative-liberal political party in the Netherlands. The VVD supports private enterprise and economic liberalism. The VVD favors a small government, Laissez-faire, tax reductions, a Market economy, a balanced budget and deregulation in the sense of reducing state regulations, typically in the economic sphere.)
2) - Party for Freedom PVV Geert Wilders 1,372,941 13.1 +3.0 20 +5
(The Party for Freedom of Geert Wilders is a Rightwing Populist, Dutch Nationalist, National liberal, Right-wing populist, Anti-Islam, Anti-immigration and hard Eurosceptic political party. The party is Pro Brexit, Pro Trump, Pro Viktor Orbán and Pro Benjamin Netanyahu [Pro-Israel])
3) - Christian Democratic Appeal CDA Pieter Enneüs Heerma 1,301,796 12.4 +3.9 19 +6
(The CDA is a party of Roman-Catholic, Calvinist Dutch Reformed Christians, Lutheran christians and secular conservatives who like the Christian Democratic social conservative ideology and political direction and government policies and the participation of the CDA in the VVD, D66, CDA, ChristenUnie government coalition)
4) - Democrats 66 D66 Alexander Pechtold 1,285,819 12.2 +4.2 19 +7
(D66 is a Free-thinking Democratic, social liberal, centre left to centrist political party in the middle of the Dutch political spectrum. The party is rightwing in economical matters and leftwing in social and cultural matters. The party is in favor of female emancipation, GLBT rights, Gay marriage, abortion and euthenasia)
5) - GroenLinks GL Jesse Klaver 959,600 9.1 +6.8 14 +10
(GroenLinks (GreenLeft, GL ) is a green political party in the Netherlands. The party combines green and left-wing ideals. The protection of the Earth, ecosystems and a respectful treatment of animals is important for GroenLinks. The party stands for a just distribution of income and fair chance for everyone to work, care, education and recreation.)
6) - Socialist Party SP Lilian Marijnissen 955,633 9.1 −0.6 14 −1
(The Socialist Party is a left-wing, democratic socialist political party in the Netherlands. The party combines Democratic socialism and Social democracy with Left-wing populism, leftwing nationalism and Soft Euroscepticism)
7) - Labour Party PvdA Lodewijk Asscher 599,699 5.7 −19.1 9 −29
(The Labour Party (Dutch: Partij van de Arbeid) is a social-democratic political party in the Netherlands. Its core issues are employment, social security and welfare, and investing in public education, public safety and health care.)
8) - Christian Union CU Gert-Jan Segers 356,271 3.4 +0.3 5 +0
(The Christian Union (Dutch: ChristenUnie, CU) is a Christian-democratic political party in the Netherlands. The CU holds socially conservative positions on issues such as same-sex marriage, abortion and euthanasia and is Eurosceptic while maintaining progressive stances on economic, immigration and environmental issues. The party describes itself as "social Christian". Primarily a Protestant party, the CU bases its policies on the Bible, and takes the theological principles of charity and stewardship as bases for its support for public expenditure and environmentalism. The party seeks for government to uphold Christian morality, but supports freedom of religion under the doctrine of sphere sovereignty.)
9) - Party for the Animals PvdD Esther Ouwehand 335,214 3.2 +1.3 5 +3
(The Party for the Animals (Dutch: Partij voor de Dieren; PvdD) is a political party in the Netherlands. Among its main goals are animal rights and animal welfare, though it claims not to be a single-issue party. As of 2011, the party considered itself a testimonial party, one which does not seek to gain political power but to testify its beliefs and thereby influence other parties. Accordingly, the party campaigns and seeks votes in opposition to other parties, but without the intention of entering a governing coalition.
10) -50PLUS 50+ Henk Krol 327,131 3.1 +1.2 4 +2
(The 50PLUS (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈfɛiftɪx plʏs]), abbreviated to 50+, is a political party in the Netherlands that advocates pensioners' interests.The ideology of this centrist party is based on Pensioners' interests, Populism and Soft Euroscepticism)
11) - Reformed Political Party SGP Kees van der Staaij 218,950 2.1 +0.0 3 +0
(The Reformed Political Party (Dutch: Staatkundig Gereformeerde Partij, SGP) is an orthodox Calvinist political party in the Netherlands. The term Reformed is not a reference to political reform but is a synonym for Calvinism—a major branch of Protestantism. The ideology of the SGP is based on Calvinism, Protestant fundamentalism, Christian right, Social conservatism, Theocracy, hard Euroscepticism, Monarchism (Orangism) and Dutch nationalism)
12) - Denk DENK Tunahan Kuzu 216,147 2.1 New 3 +3
(Denk, Dutch for "think" self-styled as DENK) is a political party in the Netherlands that calls itself a "movement". It was founded by Tunahan Kuzu and Selçuk Öztürk, two Turkish-Dutch members of the House of Representatives, after leaving the Labour Party on 13 November 2014. Denk is in favor of the establishment of a movement for migrants and a "tolerant and solidary society" which, among other things, calls for a "racism registry".)
13) - Forum for Democracy FvD Thierry Baudet 187,162 1.8 New 2 +2
( Forum for Democracy (Dutch: Forum voor Democratie, FvD) is a conservative, right-wing populist[25] Eurosceptic political party in the Netherlands, initially founded as a think tank by Thierry Baudet, who has been the party's leader since its founding in late 2016. The party first participated in elections in the 2017 general election, winning two seats in the House of Representatives. In the 2019 provincial elections, FvD won the most number of seats. FvD is a conservative liberal party and as such supports economic liberalism. The party is a proponent of the introduction of high tax free bracket for everyone, the abolition of taxes on gifts and inheritance and a radical simplification of tax brackets. The party is a proponent of drastic changes in elementary and secondary education, focusing on performance evaluations for teachers. It wants to expand the armed forces, expanding the National Reserve Corps and reverting defense budget cuts. Forum for Democracy adopts a nationalist viewpoint in which the Dutch culture should be protected. For instance, the party is in favor of reinstating border controls and ending what it perceives as mass immigration. It also campaigns against unchecked immigration, says it would introduce a Dutch Values Protection Act and wants to ban Islamic face veils and other face coverings.)
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Post by pjotr on Jan 14, 2020 18:20:08 GMT 1
Really? Funny. At a first glance sounds like a party made of animals. Reminds me a wonderful song by Manowar - I am an animal! I just listened to their CD today: You will like it: In my country the centre left Labour Party, the centre left GreenLeft (GroenLinks) party and the leftwing Socialist Party The Party of Animals the centre left to centrist social liberal D66 party conservative liberal VVD party (the largest party of the Netherlands and a centre right political party, the party of Prime Minister Mark Rutte), the social conservative Christian Democratic and centre right CDA party and the centre right Christian Union. Leftwing Union The Social Democrats and Communists Are all these parties in Dutch Parliament?
The party is quite serious and in a rather surprising development former members and voters of the Labour party, the Socialist party, Greenleft and the centre left Free Thinking D66 Social Liberals moved away from their political parties and became voters and in some cases members of the Party for Animals. The party consists of old leftwing intellectuals, environmental activists. university students, Green Peace supporters, people of the Dutch environmental organisation Milieu Defensie (Environmental Defence; en.milieudefensie.nl/ ), eco farmers, and people who also like the other stances and positions and voting pattern of the Partij voor de Dieren (Party for the Animals).The video of Manowar - Animals reminds me of Alice Cooper.   |
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Post by pjotr on Jan 14, 2020 18:31:24 GMT 1
Dutch farmers aren't fond of the Party of Animals nor Climate activistsThese days you shouldn't anger farmers in the Netherlands. They have their own Farmers Defence Force.
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 14, 2020 21:22:52 GMT 1
Aaah, so it is for Animals! You wrote of Animals earlier and that is why I thought it sounded funny.  The video of Manowar - Animals reminds me of Alice Cooper. Cooper`s not bad but Manowar of the 1980s is much better with everything: music, melody, vocal, effects. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 14, 2020 21:38:06 GMT 1
Bo, these are the politcial parties in the Dutch parlaiment, the House of Representatives, de Tweede Kamer, the Second Chamber: Wow, 13 parties. It reminds me the years immediately after the collapse of communism when over 20 parties were voted into the Polish Parliament. Hmm, I thought it was a sign of immaturity of young Polish democracy. In developed countries there are two or three major parties in parliaments. Don`t the Dutch think 13 is too many? On the other side, they probably enjoy the situation as every voter can find his or her best political option and be represented. 1) - People's Party for Freedom and Democracy VVD Mark Rutte 2,238,351 21.3 −5.3 33 −8 (The VVD is a conservative-liberal political party in the Netherlands. The VVD supports private enterprise and economic liberalism. The VVD favors a small government, Laissez-faire, tax reductions, a Market economy, a balanced budget and deregulation in the sense of reducing state regulations, typically in the economic sphere.) I read about all parties and concluded that if I lived in the Netherlands, I would vote for No 1. I find their ideology similar (in most points) to what I have always voted for in Poland. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_for_Freedom_and_DemocracyHowever, I don`t understand some issues. In their Manifesto, they demand that Mayors should be directly elected by the people. Aren`t they now, like in Poland? |
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Post by pjotr on Jan 14, 2020 23:32:52 GMT 1
Dear Bonobo,
That is an excellent choice, the VVD of the Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte is the largest Dutch political party and has classical liberal roots that go back to the 19 th century Dutch Liberalism and actually the you could say founding father of the Dutch parliamentarian democracy and the abolishment of the Absolutist monarchy Johan Rudolph Thorbecke (14 January 1798 – 4 June 1872).
Thorbecke a Dutch statesman of a liberal bent, one of the most important Dutch politicians of the 19th century. In 1848, he virtually single-handedly drafted the revision of the Constitution of the Netherlands, giving less power to the king and more to the States General, and guaranteeing more religious, personal and political freedom to the people.
Dutch founding father of the Dutch parliamentary democacy, Johan Rudolph Thorbecke.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_for_Freedom_and_Democracy#1948%E2%80%931971
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partia_Ludowa_na_rzecz_Wolno%C5%9Bci_i_Demokracji
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Rutte
The VVD in the Polish context would lie somewhere inbetween the Platforma Obywatelska and .Nowoczesna. The VVD is a Classical liberal, Pro-European, Liberal conservative,
Conservative liberal, Economic liberal political party which is very close to the German FDP ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Democratic_Party_(Germany) ), the Danish Venstre (Denmark) ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venstre_(Denmark) - except the Nordic Agrarianism), the Flemish Open VLD ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Vlaamse_Liberalen_en_Democraten ), and the Walloon Mouvement Réformateur ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouvement_R%C3%A9formateur ).
The VVD is a moderate, centre right, classical liberal party in the tradition of Dutch liberalism of the 19th and 20th centuries. My father is a typical and traditional old fashionate Dutch liberal, and my grandfather and great grandfather were also Dutch liberals. The liberal family tradition goes back to the 19th century and early 20th century. When I as an obnoxious teenager voted for the back then still left to centre left Social Democratic Labour Party (PvdA) my father was greatly disappointed that his son voted for the terrible Reds.
My father was and still is a great democrat, rationalist, a secular liberal, with great sympathy for my mothers Roman Catholicism and the Dutch Christian Democrats, but he really disliked the Socialists like people back then called the Social Democrats of the Dutch Labour Party (PvdA) and he certainly disliked the radical left which we called back then 'Little Left' (Klein Links), the Communist party of the Netherlands( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Netherlands ), CPN, the Political Party Radicals ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_Party_of_Radicals ), the Pacifist Socialist Party ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifist_Socialist_Party ) and the Christian (radical) left Evangelical People's Party ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_People%27s_Party_(Netherlands) ).
Being a reasonable classical liberal, financially economical rightwing in the Capitalist free market sense, and social liberal and progressive in the cultural sense (loving art, music, literature -books of leftwing intellectual authors-, poetry, nature, theatre, cabaret -in the Netherlands comedians and standup comedians are often leftwing or progressive, and the progressive liberal media and press next to his rightwing conservative liberal market oriented newspapers and magazines he read professionaly), my father disliked the 'Little right' of Orthodox Protestant, Fundamentalist, Bible belt, stubborn Calvinists with zero sense of humor, the SGP, GPV and RPF political parties back than ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Political_Party , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Political_League and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformatory_Political_Federation ) as much as he disliked the Dutch Centre left (PvdA and D66) and Left (CPN, PPR, PSP and EVP), because as a secular liberal he loathed their strictness, the dogmatic reasoning, their inflexibility, their Ortrhodoxy and Fundamentalism.
My father also disliked people from the rightwing of his VVD party who were to Populist in the Rightwing Populist or in a general Populist sense. He was of the classical liberal wing of old fashionate liberals of the upper middle classes and the high classes. He disliked the peoples, Nouveau riche wing of his VVD party. An example of a Populist guy in his VVD party was Hans Wiegel. My father couldn't stand the guy with his peoples wing of the VVD and his liberal centrist Populism.
Hans Wiegel with his arch rival, the Social democratic leader in the Dutch parliament, Joop den Uyl. My father disliked both chaps.
A complicated man my father was in the complicated Dutch political spectrum and political landscape, because within all these political parties you of course had also different party wings and fractions. In the Labour Party ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(Netherlands) ) you had the classical democratic socialist, revisionist, Social Democrats (them skilled red working class Social Democrats which competed with the revolutionary red Marxist-Leninist skilled working class) from people from 'Red working Class Labour families', and you had the social liberal Social Democrats with a Free-thinking Democratic League background - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-thinking_Democratic_League - and you had the leftwing Christian Democrats of the pre war CDU party - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democratic_Union_(Netherlands) -, comparable to the Centrolew and Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe "Wyzwolenie" in Pre-War Poland ). I belonged to the Free-thinking Democratic wing of the Labour party back then, the moderate, pragmatic and progressive wing. I was a supporter of the Purple coalitions (Kok I and Kok II, 1994–2002) in my twenties as a student.
Purple is a common term in politics for governments or other political entities consisting of parties that have red (Social Democratic) and blue (Conservative liberal and social liberal) as their political colours. It is of particular note in two areas: in the politics of the Netherlands and Belgium and in the politics of the United States.
I believe in 'separation of church and state', 'Trias Politica' (the Separation of Powers), the Rechtstaat ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechtsstaat / pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pa%C5%84stwo_prawa ), The (Dutch) polder model (consensus decision-making, based on the acclaimed Dutch version of consensus-based economic and social policy making in the 1980s and 1990s), The Wassenaar Agreement ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassenaar_Agreement ), Free-thinking liberalism (called Vrijzinnig Democratie), in the functionality of the Social and Economic Council (Dutch: Sociaal-Economische Raad, SER) in the Netherlands ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_and_Economic_Council ) and to some extend am a moderate Dutch Patriot, in the sense that I believe in the strength of the Dutch economy, the Dutch legal system (Rechtstaat), the Dutch role in the Benelux ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benelux ), the EU, NATO and the UN.
I am not a VVD supporter in the Netherlands and would fit best in the social liberal, pragmatic D66 party, but am somewhat different on certain domestic and foreign issues than the Democrats. I hope that in the polarised Dutch landscape in the future the VVD and D66 would merge to form one large Liberal movement and party in which the D66 would be the Free thinking social liberal leftwing and the VVD would be the conservative right wing. Maybe I am somewhere in the middle between the Social Democratic Labour Party PvdA and D66 on one side and the VVD on the other side. I am still a Purple coalition guy.
Bonobo, I will tell you something funny. My Polish family in Warsaw and Poznań had an excellent form of black humor, of gallows humor, which in fact laid somewhere in between Jewish Post-Holocaust gallows humor (Jewish self mockery), British sense of humor (also self mockery) and Russian sense of humor (dark and strange sometimes, if I may call Fyodor Dostoevsky's and Nikolai Gogol's sense of humor typical Russian? My Polish uncles were stand up comedians in their own kind with their jokes about the communist party, the Roman Catholic church and the Polish society.
As a child and teenager and adult I got a strange image of Poland as a place with stubborn, individualistic and peculiar people. Imagine Bo, a little child of 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8 from a country with a Capitalist system, Western Germanic culture and language, and a North West European, mild (stalty) sea climate who went to a State Socialist, Communist (Marxist Leninist), Western Slavic, Central European country with a continental European land climate (hot summers) under the influence or locked in between Bolshevic Sovjet Russians, Belarussians and Ukrainians, Prussian militaristic East Germans and Communist Czechs and Slovaks in a region with communist Hungarian Stalinists, Rumanian communists, Bulgarian communists and West European naive communists, New leftist and leftwing socialists who supported these Peoples Republics in Central and Eastern Europe.
As a child I moved from earth to Mars. People are people and countries are countries, but there couldn't be a greater difference between the Netherlands and Poland back then, which was a beautiful country, but also gray, polluted as Poland was with two stroke engines, old communist cars and vans, coal and brown coal.
I thought and still believe that the Poles are stubborn, individualist and peculiar people. But not any less that the Dutch people. The Netherlands is hopelessly divided in regions, provinces, North and South, West and East, Centre vs the rest of the country and in Social democrats, leftwing populist socialists, Classical conservative liberals, social progressive liberals, GreenLeft people, Party of Animals people, ChristianUnion people, Denk migrant party people, PVV rightwing populists, Forum for Democracy rightwing populists, the party of elders 50Plus people, Independents, Non-parliamentarian Anarchists, Trotskyists (Internationale Socialisten en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Socialists_(Netherlands) ), Identitarians, and Regional and local party people ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_National_Party , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Zeeland , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_the_North and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livable_Rotterdam ).
Today maybe the Dutch are even more stubborn, individualist and peculiar than the Polish people Bo.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pjotr on Jan 15, 2020 0:06:59 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Jan 15, 2020 0:11:15 GMT 1
I voted for this D66 European parliamentarian a few years back.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 15, 2020 0:26:18 GMT 1
The terrible thought caught me that I might be a centre right person, someone who is more conservative than D66, in the classical language of Communist class struggle I could be labeled as a Petit Bourgeois person, a class enemy with Capitalist Dutch and Polish Szlachta ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korczak_coat_of_arms ) heritage. I found that out when I found out that I am of a different class than people with a PvdA Labour party, leftwing Socialist Party and GreenLeft (former Communist party) working class background. And when I found out that I was not of farmer, peasant, fisherman, sailor, civil servant, nor lower middle class background. Who was I and who am I in the traditional Marxist Class struggle. Today people still often refer to the Working class or middle class, farmer, fisherman or civil servant (class) background. But there are a lot of people who do not fit in one of these cathegories. How is that in Poland. Is Poland also a class society with a refined, sophisticated class system like in the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and Germany. Do you also have different kinds of languages or language codes like you have in the different classes in England. From Cockney working class London English, to Yorkshire middle class Ebglish to Eton ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eton_College ), Oxford university and Cambridge university Upper class English? P.S.- For those who take this last text absolutely seriously, this text contains some sense of humor which lies inbetween British and Dutch self mockery. But there is a serious under tone in it. Who are we, which class do we belong too and does that matter in the Polish society? |
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Post by pjotr on Jan 15, 2020 0:33:07 GMT 1
Bo, these are the politcial parties in the Dutch parlaiment, the House of Representatives, de Tweede Kamer, the Second Chamber: Wow, 13 parties. It reminds me the years immediately after the collapse of communism when over 20 parties were voted into the Polish Parliament. Hmm, I thought it was a sign of immaturity of young Polish democracy. In developed countries there are two or three major parties in parliaments. Don`t the Dutch think 13 is too many? On the other side, they probably enjoy the situation as every voter can find his or her best political option and be represented. 1) - People's Party for Freedom and Democracy VVD Mark Rutte 2,238,351 21.3 −5.3 33 −8 (The VVD is a conservative-liberal political party in the Netherlands. The VVD supports private enterprise and economic liberalism. The VVD favors a small government, Laissez-faire, tax reductions, a Market economy, a balanced budget and deregulation in the sense of reducing state regulations, typically in the economic sphere.) I read about all parties and concluded that if I lived in the Netherlands, I would vote for No 1. I find their ideology similar (in most points) to what I have always voted for in Poland. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_for_Freedom_and_DemocracyHowever, I don`t understand some issues. In their Manifesto, they demand that Mayors should be directly elected by the people. Aren`t they now, like in Poland?
Mayors are not directly elected in the Netherlands. We have a representative democracy, so the city councillors vote in a secret election whom of the candidates who wanted to become a new mayor will be the new mayor.
Low countries
Ahmed Marcouch (Arabic: أحمد مركوش; born 2 May 1966) is a Moroccan-Dutch politician and former police officer, civil servant and educator serving as Mayor of my city Arnhem in the Province of Gelderland in the Middle east of the Netherlands since 2017. A member of the Labour Party (Partij van de Arbeid – PvdA), he was a member of the House of Representatives from 17 June 2010 to 23 March 2017. He focused on matters of community development. He was a member of the municipal council of Amsterdam from 11 March 2010 to 8 September 2010 and previously chaired the Slotervaart borough government from 1 May 2006 to 11 March 2010.[1] Since 1 September 2017, he has been Mayor of Arnhem.
In the Netherlands and Belgium, the mayor (Dutch: burgemeester or French: bourgmestre) is an appointed government position, whose main responsibility is chairing the executive and legislative councils of a municipality.
In the Netherlands, mayors chair both the council of mayor and aldermen and the municipal council. They are members of the council of mayor and aldermen (Dutch: college van burgemeester en wethouders, B&W) and have their own portfolios, always including safety and public order. They also have a representative role for the municipal government, both to its civilians and to other authorities on the local, regional and national level.
A large majority of mayors are members of a political party. This can be the majority party in the municipal council, but there are many exceptions on this. However, the mayors are expected to exercise their office in a non-partisan way.
The mayor is appointed by the national government (the Crown) for a renewable six-year term. In the past, mayors for important cities were often chosen after negotiations (behind the screens) between the national parties. This appointment procedure has been criticised because it was seen by some as undemocratic. Especially the party D66 had a direct election of the mayor as one of the main objectives in its platform. In the early 2000s, proposals for change were discussed in the national parliament. However, opponents of the status quo were divided between two alternatives: direct election of the mayor by the people or appointment by the municipal council. A constitutional change to direct election gained a majority in both chambers but failed to pass the final vote in the Senate in March 2005.
In the meantime, although the law remained the same, the practice changed. Nowadays, when a vacancy occurs, a special committee of the municipal council interviews (behind closed doors) candidates, which are pre-selected by the provincial governor (the King's Commissioner). After advice by the committee, the council express its preferences to the Minister of the Interior, who almost always follows this recommendation.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 15, 2020 0:52:52 GMT 1
Bo, these are the politcial parties in the Dutch parlaiment, the House of Representatives, de Tweede Kamer, the Second Chamber: Wow, 13 parties. It reminds me the years immediately after the collapse of communism when over 20 parties were voted into the Polish Parliament. Hmm, I thought it was a sign of immaturity of young Polish democracy. In developed countries there are two or three major parties in parliaments. Don`t the Dutch think 13 is too many? On the other side, they probably enjoy the situation as every voter can find his or her best political option and be represented.
Dear Bonobo,
Many Dutch think 13 is too many and many Dutch people are fed up by the Dutch political establishment, like the Americans were in the USA, when they voted for Donald Trump. The problem and danger today is that many people have become indifferent and apathetic, that they don't bother to vote, because they don't know for which party they want to vote or because they find it to much effort, work and energy to read all the party programs and listen to all the debates.
Problem is that the Leftwing Populists (the leftwing nationalist Socialist Party), rightwing Populists (the rightwing nationalist and rather xenophobic, anti-EU/Anti-Brussels and anti-migration PVV and Forum for Democracy), Migrant Populists from Denk (Think) party and some local Islamist Muslim parties gain votes, while reasonable, intelligent and good people don't vote, because they are lazy, indifferent, uninterested and apathetic.
From one side you therefor have a professional political class of administrators, spin doctors, political party employees, Public relations and Communication people of the political parties, career politicians, party activists and local department carriers who form the traditional political base, group and power of the old centre right and centre left in the muncipalities, Provincial States general (provincial bodies) and in the Parliament (House of Representatives and the Senate) in the Hague.
The new group are the Rightwing National Populists who attack the political establishment, the migrants, the refugees in the Asylumseeker centres, the cultural intelligentsia, the people of the press and the Universities. They label everything which is different than the Populist right as 'Political establishment', 'The leftist elite', 'The leftwing church', 'Political correct', 'the Fake news press (mind you the serious Dutch professional media and press)' and 'Cultural Marxism'.
That is the time we live in. I hope that the Populist nationalist right in time will become the serious Dutch conservatives, because we never had Tories or a Conservative Party in the Netherlands. We had pillarised Christian parties, but not a conservative party, because the Netherlands was a liberal country. Since let's say 911 and the murder of Pim Fortuyn on May 6 2002 the Netherlands have stopped being a liberal country. Since than the Netherlands have moved towards conservative liberalism, conservatism, national conservatism, Dutch patriotism and Dutch Populist nationalism. The left still exists, but is very pollarized and weak, but it still can organise some opposition on the local, regional and national level. It is not as weak as the left in Poland, the USA and Israel for instance.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 15, 2020 0:58:12 GMT 1
Aaah, so it is for Animals! You wrote of Animals earlier and that is why I thought it sounded funny. The video of Manowar - Animals reminds me of Alice Cooper. Cooper`s not bad but Manowar of the 1980s is much better with everything: music, melody, vocal, effects. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 19, 2020 13:53:41 GMT 1
Many Dutch think 13 is too many and many Dutch people are fed up by the Dutch political establishment, like the Americans were in the USA, when they voted for Donald Trump. The problem and danger today is that many people have become indifferent and apathetic, that they don't bother to vote, because they don't know for which party they want to vote or because they find it to much effort, work and energy to read all the party programs and listen to all the debates. That is crazy. There are two dozen parties to choose from, 13 already in the Parliament, and people still don`t know which one to vote? What do they expect? One unique party for each voter? |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 19, 2020 13:56:57 GMT 1
Mayors are not directly elected in the Netherlands. We have a representative democracy, so the city councillors vote in a secret election whom of the candidates who wanted to become a new mayor will be the new mayor. I see. Mayors are elected directly in Poland, even those of villages. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 19, 2020 14:05:04 GMT 1
Who was I and who am I in the traditional Marxist Class struggle. How is that in Poland. Is Poland also a class society with a refined, sophisticated class system like in the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and Germany. Do you also have different kinds of languages or language codes like you have in the different classes in England. From Cockney working class London English, to Yorkshire middle class Ebglish to P.S.- For those who take this last text absolutely seriously, this text contains some sense of humor which lies inbetween British and Dutch self mockery. But there is a serious under tone in it. Who are we, which class do we belong too and does that matter in the Polish society?Do not worry about your background, either political or social, coz it got all mixed up today. PiS promotes rightwing ideology but leftist economy. Who are they? A hybrid of a cat and a dog. But this hybrid is slowly becoming normal and people are getting used to it. As for classes in Poland, there aren`t coz communism abolished the traditional class system. So, there are typical classes according to wealth: Lower, Middle, Upper etc. However, I would say there are two more classes here: intelligent class and stupid class. Your self mockery was perfectly understood. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 19, 2020 14:17:24 GMT 1
My father was and still is a great democrat, rationalist, a secular liberal, with great sympathy for my mothers Roman Catholicism and the Dutch Christian Democrats, A complicated man my father was in the complicated Dutch political spectrum and political landscape, because within all these political parties you of course had also different party wings and fractions. Yes, complicated, but you forgot to add one thing: he is certainly a very intelligent person. And it seems to me the Dutch party I like is also run by and voted for by millions of intelligent people who understand that personal success can only be achieved by hard honest work and not through state benefits from populist parties. That`s what I lack in Poland - there are also a lot of intelligent people here but not enough to keep populists at bay. Poland lost a lot of intelligentsia during wars and communist rule or through emigration and these losses have still not been fully made up for. |
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Post by pjotr on Jan 20, 2020 8:55:26 GMT 1
Who was I and who am I in the traditional Marxist Class struggle. How is that in Poland. Is Poland also a class society with a refined, sophisticated class system like in the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and Germany. Do you also have different kinds of languages or language codes like you have in the different classes in England. From Cockney working class London English, to Yorkshire middle class Ebglish to P.S.- For those who take this last text absolutely seriously, this text contains some sense of humor which lies inbetween British and Dutch self mockery. But there is a serious under tone in it. Who are we, which class do we belong too and does that matter in the Polish society?Do not worry about your background, either political or social, coz it got all mixed up today. PiS promotes rightwing ideology but leftist economy. Who are they? A hybrid of a cat and a dog. But this hybrid is slowly becoming normal and people are getting used to it. As for classes in Poland, there aren`t coz communism abolished the traditional class system. So, there are typical classes according to wealth: Lower, Middle, Upper etc. However, I would say there are two more classes here: intelligent class and stupid class. Your self mockery was perfectly understood.
PiS sounds like the Party for Freedom (Dutch: Partij voor de Vrijheid, PVV) ( www.pvv.nl/ / en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Freedom ) of Geert Wilders in the Netherlands.
The Party for Freedom combines conservative, liberal, right and left standpoints in a populistic programme. On certain themes like healthcare, social services and elderly care the PVV can be seen as left and social, though selective. Regarding immigration and culture the party is nationalistic. It believes that the Judeo-Christian and humanist traditions should be taken as the dominant culture in the Netherlands, and that immigrants should adapt accordingly. The party wants a halt to immigration especially from non-Western countries. It is hostile towards the EU, is against future EU enlargement to Muslim-majority countries like Turkey and opposes a dominant presence of Islam in the Netherlands. More specifically, the party has called for a banning the Quran, and shutting down all mosques in the Netherlands. The party is also opposed to dual citizenship.
In 2012, the PVV party launched a website named Reporting Centre on Central and East Europeans to receive complaints about Central and East European immigrants in the Netherlands. (Comment Pieter: 'In the Netherlands people called it de Anti-Polen Meldpunt, 'The anti Poles Hotline') 'Do you have problems with people from Central and Eastern Europe? Have you lost your job to a Pole, a Bulgarian, a Romanian or another East European? We want to know,' the website states. It displays newspaper headlines such as 'Wouldn't it be better if you went back home?' and 'East Europeans, increasingly criminal'. The European Commission has condemned the website, and EU Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding declared, "We call on all citizens of the Netherlands not to join in this intolerance'.pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partia_Wolno%C5%9Bci_(Holandia) |
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Post by pjotr on Jan 20, 2020 9:12:11 GMT 1
My father was and still is a great democrat, rationalist, a secular liberal, with great sympathy for my mothers Roman Catholicism and the Dutch Christian Democrats, A complicated man my father was in the complicated Dutch political spectrum and political landscape, because within all these political parties you of course had also different party wings and fractions. Yes, complicated, but you forgot to add one thing: he is certainly a very intelligent person. And it seems to me the Dutch party I like is also run by and voted for by millions of intelligent people who understand that personal success can only be achieved by hard honest work and not through state benefits from populist parties. That`s what I lack in Poland - there are also a lot of intelligent people here but not enough to keep populists at bay. Poland lost a lot of intelligentsia during wars and communist rule or through emigration and these losses have still not been fully made up for.
You sounds just like my pragmatic, very organised and very literate Polish mother. My father was a reasonable, Free Thinking, rational and hard working man and he still is.
Like I said in Poland my father would have voted for Platforma Obywatelska or .Nowoczesna. In my work as a local TV man who follows Arnhem politics daily/weekly I have very good contacts with local Platforma Obywatelska/.Nowoczesna kind of politicians, but also with Prawo i Sprawiedliwość, Sojusz Lewicy Demokratycznej, Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe, Wiosna, Solidarna Polska, Liga Polskich Rodzin, Kongres Nowej Prawicy, Porozumienie, Kukiz'15, Twój Ruch, Teraz!, Lewica Razem, KORWiN, Demokracja Bezpośrednia, Inicjatywa Polska, Zieloni, Unia Europejskich Demokratów, Partia Republikańska, Mniejszość Niemiecka, Polska Partia Socjalistyczna, Unia Pracy and Inicjatywa Feministyczna kind of politicians.
And sometimes even more extreme kinf of politicians or movements of the far right or far left during demonstrations, actions or other things that are local news. Sometimes even with some riks and risk calculation.
Cheers,
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