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Post by Bonobo on Jan 18, 2011 21:48:48 GMT 1
In time, when the truth comes out, could be years away, you will see, I am correct. Mike ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Mike, let me tell you sth. The conducted poll revealed that only 8% Poles believe in mutiny, plot, assassination etc involved in the crash. So, a crushing minority. Their attitude to the whole matter is typical of people who here, in Poland, are called "stunned." They are simpletons/blockheads, tricked into silly beliefs by shrewd politicians who are intending to benefit from the crash as much as possible, therefore they are cheekily lying and implying things.
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Post by tufta on Jan 18, 2011 22:58:11 GMT 1
Bo has already said it all. Let me just add a short note about what Russians ommitted in their one-sided report // Smolensk air traffic controllers' mistakes revealed18th January 2011 Bookmark and Share
The Polish team investigating the events surrounding the April 10 Smolensk airplane crash, which killed President Lech Kaczyński and 95 others, has released transcripts of the conversation held between the pilots in the doomed Tu-154 and the Russian air-traffic control tower at Smolensk Airport.
The records reveal that the signal “Horizon,” which basically means “pull the plane up, you won't make it,” was given too late. The Polish pilots had also strayed from the so-called “landing path” but were not informed of this by the Russians.
According to the Polish team, which is headed by Poland's Interior Minister, Jerzy Miller, the Polish crew was also not informed of the extremely bad weather conditions at Smolensk or of the alternative airports at which they could have landed safely.
“This is not about revealing the Polish truth or the Russian truth, but rather the truth about the landing of a Polish plane in a Russian airport,” Mr Miller told reporters on Tuesday.// www.wbj.pl/article-52846-smolensk-air-traffic-controllers-mistakes-revealed.html?typ=ise
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 11, 2011 13:23:29 GMT 1
10.02.2011 09:34 Poland’s President and Prime Minister will no longer be allowed to fly together in the same plane, according to new regulations put in place after the Smolensk air disaster last April which killed president Lech Kaczynski.
Chancelleries of the President, Prime Minister and the two houses of parliament have signed a regulation which says that four top state officials – President, Prime Minister, Sejm and Senate Speakers – will, under no circumstances, be allowed to fly together.
None of the four officials should be accompanied by more than three subordinates. Also, commanders of Poland’s armed forces and more than a half of the cabinet and the National Security Council are not now allowed to board the same aircraft.
The Smolensk air disaster killed 96 of Poland’s political elite and military top brass..
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 12, 2011 20:28:23 GMT 1
Kaczynski tomb opened after funeral? 11.03.2011 10:47 Jan Siuta, the stonemason who crafted the tomb for Lech and Maria Kaczynski following the Smolensk catastrophe in April last year, has revealed that the tomb was reopened a few days after the burial of the presidential couple in Krakow’s Wawel Cathedral.
Talking to journalists, Siuta did not want to release any details of the opening, and refused to comment if anything was either placed inside or taken out of the tomb, as the information is classified.
However, according to unofficial information, after opening one of the side panels a sealed tube containing the remains of President Lech Kaczynski is alleged to have been placed inside.
“I have signed the relative documents, which included a section which effectively seals my lips,” Siuta told journalists on Thursday.
The funeral of Lech and Maria Kaczynski took place on 18 April 2010, just over a week after the crash of the Tu-154M killed all 96 on board when landing in thick fog at Smolensk Severny airport in western Russia.
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Post by valpomike on Mar 13, 2011 1:13:54 GMT 1
Some day, and I hope soon all will know the truth as I do, it was no accident. Wait and see. Many others think as I do, in Poland, as per Polish T.V. and a Polish-American newpaper.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 13, 2011 10:06:09 GMT 1
Some day, and I hope soon all will know the truth as I do, it was no accident. Wait and see. Mr Prophet, please! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Many doesn`t mean right. Quantity isn`t quality. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 13, 2011 10:09:09 GMT 1
Let me just add a short note about what Russians ommitted in their one-sided report According to the Polish team, which is headed by Poland's Interior Minister, Jerzy Miller, the Polish crew was also not informed of the extremely bad weather conditions at Smolensk or of the alternative airports at which they could have landed safely.According to recent findings, the crew were informed about everything.
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Post by valpomike on Mar 13, 2011 18:16:01 GMT 1
But did the crew get the correct information, or what the Russians wanted them to do?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 27, 2011 0:44:28 GMT 1
Smolensk disaster ‘political tool’ 26.03.2011 10:47 As many as 87 percent of Poles are of the opinion that last April’s air disaster in western Russia which killed President Kaczynski and 95 others has become, first and foremost, a tool in domestic and foreign politics.
The survey was carried out shortly before the first anniversary of the tragedy, which occurred on 10 April 2010.
According to a survey by the CBOS Institute, society is almost equally divided among those who intend to commemorate this anniversary in some way and those who do not feel any need to do so.
However, fifty six percent of Poles admit that a full explanation of the causes of the air crash is an issue of the highest significance and therefore the debate on the death of the Polish president should not surprise anyone.
Only 13 percent of the respondents claim that the causes of the tragedy have already been explained.
The Smolensk air disaster has been a divisive issue not just in relations between Poland and Russia but also between the government and opposition party Law and Justice, which is lead by the dead president‘s twin brother Jaroslaw Kaczynski.
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Post by valpomike on Mar 28, 2011 1:03:38 GMT 1
Just wait, and like I said, so often in the past, in time, the truth may come out. Than all will belive as I do.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 1, 2011 21:46:33 GMT 1
Just wait, and like I said, so often in the past, in time, the truth may come out. Than all will belive as I do. Mike Who knows? But that will happen long after we are gone.... A leading Polish bishop has called for the ending of the period of national mourning following the Smolensk air crash last April, which, in line with Polish and church tradition, should last a year.
Addressing a press conference in Warsaw, Kazimierz Cardinal Nycz, the Metropolitan of Warsaw, said that we have the right to ask ourselves: “why did [the tragedy] happen?
“However, we cannot keep on asking posing this question but we have to say: Thy will be done,” Cardinal Nycz said.
“Cemeteries are not our home,” the cardinal added, “and there comes a moment when he have to return to our day-to-day activities and take up the challenges in our homeland and the Church, in our families and in our personal life.”
Cardinal Nycz appealed for a sense of national unity in commemorating the first anniversary of the Smolensk air rash on 10 April, underlying that it should be a day of prayer and reflection.
He expressed concern, however, that this may not prove to be the case, alluding to a possible politicisation of the day.
Asked about the planned public gatherings and remembrance marches close to the Presidential Palace, Archbishop Józef Michalik called for a spirit of solidarity, but stressed that the Church does not intend to interfere in any way into the organization or course of these gatherings.
There will be several religious services on 10 April. Some 400 people – representatives of the state authorities and families of the victims of the aircrash – have already confirmed their participation in a mid-day mass in the Warsaw Cathedral.
A civic committee for the anniversary celebrations, which brings together over 20 organizations, has called for a minute of silence across Poland at 8.41 am on 10 April , the hour of the tragedy a year ago.
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 9, 2011 22:24:45 GMT 1
Never trust the Russians. Mike Who knows? Plaque controversy mars Smolensk anniversary pilgrimage 09.04.2011 16:42 Original Smolensk plaque in memory of President Kaczynski and the 95 others who died, 10 April 2010; photo - PAP UPDATED - Families of victims, and First Lady Anna Komorowska, gathered for the one year ceremonies of the Smolensk plane crash were shocked, Saturday, to find that the Russians have made a last minute change to the wording of the commemorative plaque to the 10 April disaster at the site of the tragedy in western Russia.
Spokesman for the Governor of Smolensk District, Andrei Yevseienkov confirmed information about the removal of the original plaque recalling the 96 victims of the catastrophe, including President Lech Kaczynski and his wife Maria, near Severnyi military airport.
The Russian spokesman limited his statement to saying that the Polish language original had been replaced on the eve of the anniversary ceremonies by a plaque in both Polish and Russian.
However, the new one is missing reference to the Katyn massacre anniversary, which was the object of the presidential trip last year when the plane crashed.
The spokesman revealed the old plaque is to be transferred to the museum at Katyn Forest.
The victims’ families have expressed indignation with the action which, they stress, was not taken in consultation and agreement with them.
Poland’s Foreign Ministry has asked the Russian side for an explanation of the decision, but has not received any official response on the matter as yet.
Crash site
One hundred and three family members of victims of the Smolensk air disaster, accompanied by First Lady Komorowska, are on the remembrance pilgrimage to Russia on the eve of the first anniversary of the tragedy.
The commemorations started in the morning at the cold and snowy site of the crash of the presidential plane near Severnyi military airport in Smolensk. The place is marked by part of the plane wreck protruding from one of the trees which it hit upon approaching the airfield in conditions of dense fog on 10 April last year.
Earlier, wreaths and flowers were laid from Russian President Dmitri Medvedev as well as Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and on behalf of the Russian nation.
Names of all the 96 victims on board the tragic flight have been read out at a ceremony held by the stone obelisk next to the site, with each of those killed honoured by a cross formed from commemorative lights.
Representatives of the victims’ families have also gathered for prayers at the place where the wreck of the Polish presidential plane is being stored for investigation. For reasons of privacy no media have been allowed to cover this part of the pilgrimage.
Later in the day, the group is to travel to Katyn Forest to the cemetery of Polish soldiers for an ecumenical remembrance ceremony. This is to be a symbolic completion of the mission of their tragically deceased near ones.
Last year on 10 April a group of top ranking Polish officials, military and representatives of NGOs were travelling on board the presidential plane for ceremonies at Katyn, to observe the 70th anniversary of the massacre of thousands of Polish officers and intellectuals by the Soviet NKVD in the first months of World War Two.
None of the delegation, including President Lech Kaczynski and First Lady Maria, as well as crew members, survived the crash just short of their landing destination at Smolensk.
The Russians have changed in the night the plaque commemorating disaster
ORIGINAL: In the Memorial of 96 Poles led by President Lech Kaczynski, who died in a plane crash near Smolensk on the way to the ceremony commemorating the 70th anniversary of Soviet genocide in the Katyn forest performed on prisoners of war and the officers of the Polish Army in 1940 (Katyn Families Association)
Actual subtstitute. In the Memorial of 96 Poles led by the President Lech Kaczynski who died in a plane crash near Smolensk 10 April 2010
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Post by valpomike on Apr 10, 2011 2:07:28 GMT 1
Glen Beck, on T.V. here in the USA lost his job, due to his making fun of this, as well is he should have.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 16, 2011 23:42:29 GMT 1
Warsaw conservator against Monument of Light scheme 16.04.2011 09:49 The state historical conservator has come out against the suggested Monument of Light being built in front of the Presidential Palace in memory of the Smolensk crash victims.
Poitr Zuchowski, who is in charge of looking after Warsaw’s historic buildings, said that the project could dominate the space in front of the palace.
“This would be an interference in the area around the palace, an area which is already closed in the historic and conservationist sense. To maintain the area as it is it would not be best idea to place any new elements there, even such delicate elements as rays of light,” he said Friday.
Plans for a monument commemorating the 96 victims of the Smolensk air crash in April last year were presented early this week with the support of Marta Kaczynska, the daughter of the late president Lech Kaczynski, who died with 95 others in the plane crash last April.
The idea by architect Pawel Szychalski envisages 96 light beams symbolising the victims of the crash, placed in the pavement in front of the Presidential Palace.
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 27, 2011 19:08:30 GMT 1
Komorowski lays flowers on Lech Kaczynski street, Georgia 27.07.2011 13:02 President Bronis³aw Komorowski and First Lady Maria have placed flowers on the promenade of Lech and Maria Kaczynski in Batumi, Georgia, as part of a six-day tour of the South Caucasus region.
Pres. Pres. Komorowski lays flowers at Lech and Maria Kaczynski st; photo - PAP/Radek Pietruszka
The tribute was made in honour of the tragically killed presidential couple, who died in a plane crash near Smolensk in April 2010.
The late head of state was considered a friend of the Georgian nation. Following the catastrophe, many of Georgia's cities named streets after Lech Kaczynski.
Yesterday, the Polish president met with his Georgian counterpart, Mikheil Saakashvili, at the Black Sea resort town of Batumi, where ty discussed Georgia's prospective integration into the European Union and NATO.
Bronislaw Komorowski and his wife are travelling to Tbilisi today, where the president is to take part in a Polish-Georgian economic forum.
Since the Georgian-Russian conflict in 2008, Poland and Georgia have strengthened not only diplomatic ties, but also business contacts, says First Secretary of the Polish Embassy Piotr Burzyñski.
"From my observation, interest in Georgia as a business partner is definitely on the rise," he told Polish Radio.
A number of Polish companies are currently operating in Georgia, in fields including chemical and food industries, as well as in the construction sector.
The visit, which is part of the presidential couple's six-day tour across South Caucasus. The president is arriving at the next stop of the trip, Armenia, this evening.www.thenews.pl/f0201504-2f1e-4c54-be39-883c1f997903.file
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 11, 2012 13:35:36 GMT 1
Wikileaks – 'Russia tried to prevent Kaczynski landing in Smolensk' 09.03.2012 13:41 According to a Wikileaks email, Russia refused landing permission to the doomed plane carrying President Kaczynski in April 2010, “to force him to miss a Katyn massacre memorial service.”
The email– released by the Wikileaks whistle blowing web site as part of its Global Intelligence Files series - shows a former KGB officer recruited by the Americans thought the Russians deliberately tried to stop President Kaczynski landing in Smolensk.
Smolensk air traffic control told the plane it was unsafe to land due to heavy fog, but the plane eventually tried to land at the airport in western Russian, however, killing all 96 on board.
But the secret email released by Wikileaks, sent by iphone to Reva Bhalla, director of analysis at the global intelligence company Stratfor Forecasting Inc, from Fred Burton, the company's vice-director of counter intelligence on 24 April 2010, quotes a former KGB agent, 'Comrade J'.
Comrade J told Stratfor, a company once described as a 'shadow CIA': “The Russians purposefully denied the aircraft the ability to land knowing that the Polish President would either force the pilot to land […] or the plane would return and not land at the location.”
Another Stratfor officer, Marko Papic, is also quoted as saying: “This was actually one of the theories that one of my contacts also gave me. But the intention was not to kill Kacynzki [sic] just make his life difficult by forcing him to land in Minsk and therefore miss the Katyn Massacre ceremonies set to begin in an hour from landing. But instead, the pilots tried to land anyways and crashed the flight.”
President Kaczynski was leading a party of military officers, politicians and family members of victims of the 1940 Katyn massacre to a memorial service in western Russia when the plane crashed on a foggy Saturday morning on 10 April 2010.
Earlier that week, Prime Minister Donald Tusk had been invited to an official Katyn remembrance service by the then Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin, in memory of over 20,000 Polish officers murdered by Stalin's security forces in 1940.
President Kaczynski - who had tense relations with the Kremlin ever since the Russian-Georgian war in 2008, when the then Polish president gave strong support to the Georgian government - was not invited to the official ceremony, so had organised his own service, three days later.
Comrade J
Comrade J is thought to be Sergei Tretyakov, a Russian foreign intelligence officer who defected to the US in 2000. He died in October 2010.
What 'Comrade J' - described in another email as being “the highest rankling Soviet defector in history” - suggested to the Stratfor intelligence officers was that Russia was being deliberately obstructive to President Kaczynski in not letting him land the plane in western Russia and so forcing him to another airport so he would be late for the Katyn remembrance service that morning.
The email released by Wikileaks will fuel conspiracy theories, which claim that the Smolensk air disaster was not simply an accident but part of a campaign of revenge against President Kaczynski and his opposition to the Russian war with Georgia and other issues where he took a strong stand against the Kremlin.
WikiLeaks began publishing The Global Intelligence Files, containing over five million e-mails hacked from the Texas headquartered "global intelligence" company Stratfor in February this year.
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