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Post by pjotr on Jan 17, 2016 23:10:26 GMT 1
Nice Museum, very necessery to honour the 3 million jews Poland once had, 10 percent of the Population before the war. Those Polish jews contributed to Polish society in all kind of manners. To the Polish sciences, the Polish economy, the Polish culture (writers, poets, artists, actors and actresses, musicians, composers, philosophers, political thinkers), politics, society and even the army. Polish jews fought next to the Polish Roman Catholics in insurrections, during the First World War, the Polish-Ukrainian war, the Polish-Sovjet War, the War in 1939 with Nazi Germany and the SovjetUnion, in the resistance during the war, during the Gettho Uprising in the Warsaw Gettho in 1943 and during the Warsaw Uprising in 1944, and on the Western and Eastern Fronts with the Polish armies over there. The jews and catholics of Poland fought together, side by side, in KOR and Solidarność against the communist regime of the Polish Peoples Republic. Today there is a revival of Jewish life in Poland and the Jewish community is growing again.
Unfortunately ghosts of the past are alive and kicking.
Burning of a puppet depicting an Orthodox Jewish man
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 18, 2016 0:25:09 GMT 1
Unfortunately ghosts of the past are alive and kicking. That is intolerable. |
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Post by pjotr on Jan 18, 2016 0:28:58 GMT 1
Well, we agree about that. I dislike them over here in the Netherlands, I dislike them in Poland, and I dislike them in Hungary, Flanders (Belgium), France, Czech Republic, Germamy and Russia. Unfortunately we have the same kind of nationalist morons or zombies over here. Hooligans and Neo-Nazi scum who shout 'Hamas Hamas, Jews to the Gas' at soccer matches and demonstrations. It is verbal but equally bad as the burning of that jewish puppet.
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Post by jeanne on Jan 18, 2016 1:36:02 GMT 1
Well, we agree about that. I dislike them over here in the Netherlands, I dislike them in Poland, and I dislike them in Hungary, Flanders (Belgium), France, Czech Republic, Germamy and Russia. Unfortunately we have the same kind of nationalist morons or zombies over here. Hooligans and Neo-Nazi scum who shout ' Hamas Hamas, Jews to the Gas' at soccer matches and demonstrations. It is verbal but equally bad as the burning of that jewish puppet. I'm shocked to learn people actually do that/say those things in public. |
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Post by tomek on Jan 18, 2016 11:19:18 GMT 1
This are hooligans, nationalisten, this people in demonstration. They dream to have Polish Poland only for Poles. Tis is impossible. We leaving in Europe, global world, not on moon or anather far planet.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 18, 2016 23:12:58 GMT 1
Ofcourse you are right. And by the way minorities have contributed greatly to Poland next to the Western Slave ethnic native Poles themselves. I think about the Italian painters and architects of Polish kings and magnata who painted portraits and designed buildings for Poles. I think about Marcello Bacciarelli (16 February 1731 – 5 January 1818) ) was a Polish-Italian painter of the late-baroque and Neoclassic periods.  Marcello Bacciarelli[/b] (16 February 1731 – 5 January 1818)[/i] I think about the Polish foreign minister just before the Second World War Józef Beck (help·info) (October 4, 1894 in Warsaw – June 5, 1944 in Stăneşti, Romania), who came from a Polish Calvinist family with Flemish-Belgian roots, some Polish generals during the Second World War: Władysław Anders (Baltic German origin), Zygmunt Berling (German/Swedish Calvinist), Juliusz Rómmel, Franciszek Alter, Emil August Fieldorf "Nil", Franciszek Kleeberg (with German and Swedish ancestry on paternal side), Juliusz Zulauf, Wiktor Thommée (French ancesters), the Polish Jewish dissident Marek Edelman, the Polish Jewish filmmaker Roman Polanski, and next to that present Chief Rabbi of Poland – Michael Schudrich who does a lot to improve the relations between jews ans christians in Poland. And I think about Adam Michnik, Bronisław Geremek and Bronisław Wildstein. In the Past Bohemian Czechs, German Burgher (citizens of Polish cities and towns, and arts and craftsmen), some Dutch Mennonite settlers, and also Lithuanians like Józef Klemens Piłsudski and Czesław Miłosz.  Józef Beck Władysław Anders  Marek Edelman Bronisław Geremek Adam Michnik (born 17 October 1946) is a Polish historian, essayist, former dissident, public intellectual, and the editor-in-chief of Poland's largest newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza. Bronisław Wildstein (born June 11, 1952 in Olsztyn, Poland) is a former Polish dissident, a journalist and freelance author. Józef Klemens Piłsudski Czesław MiłoszMany of these Poles with other ethnic backgrounds were or are great Polish Patriots. P.S.- Bronisław Wildstein and Adam Michnik were eachothers oponent in the question of vetting (lustracja). In his books and essays, Wildstein vehemently argues for a thorough review of the communist past not only of politicians, but of Polish society as a whole. So far, a comprehensive vetting of public figures regarding contacts with the former communist apparatus of oppression has been procrastinated and was only carried out to a limited extent and rather inconsequentially.
Ever since the fall of communism, the question of vetting (lustracja) has been a bone of contention between two political camps that both emerged from the former anti-communist opposition: The liberal wing - prominently represented by Adam Michnik and his Gazeta Wyborcza, the country's largest daily - call for a comprehensive reconciliation between former operatives and opponents of the People's Republic, by symbolically making a final stroke, or "thick line" (gruba kreska) separating the former, communist era from the present without seeking revenge. The opponents of this approach, the patriotic-conservative camp criticizes this attitude as too propitiatory and calls for a morally rigorous approach, with the thorough vetting of all persons in leading positions in politics, business, or the media born before 1972.
In the vetting controversy, Wildstein was one of the most determined critics of the "thick line" policy and advocated a hard-nosed screening even at the expense of social peace. Wildstein himself helped to uncover a prominent secret-police informer: Lesław Maleszka, a journalist with the anti-vetting liberal daily Gazeta Wyborcza, formerly a fellow student and close friend of Wildstein's, had been reporting on the oppositional Student Solidarity Committee (see above) he had co-founded with Wildstein. Maleszka himself has been implicated with the mysterious death of Stanisław Pyjas.
In early 2005, the vetting debate reached a peak after Wildstein had abstracted an inventory of the files stored at the Institute for National Remembrance (IPN) which also manages the files of the former secret police, colloquially known as teczki in Polish. The list contained nothing but the names of roughly 240,000 persons on which such a file exists. Wildstein burned this inventory to CD-ROMs and took it to the offices of his employer, the daily Rzeczpospolita, from where he began to distribute it among colleagues. Soon afterwards, the list was made available on several anonymous websites, which soon attracted a lot of traffic. Until then, access to files for the general public had been restricted. See also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildstein_list |
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Post by pjotr on Jan 19, 2016 1:05:27 GMT 1
Well, we agree about that. I dislike them over here in the Netherlands, I dislike them in Poland, and I dislike them in Hungary, Flanders (Belgium), France, Czech Republic, Germamy and Russia. Unfortunately we have the same kind of nationalist morons or zombies over here. Hooligans and Neo-Nazi scum who shout ' Hamas Hamas, Jews to the Gas' at soccer matches and demonstrations. It is verbal but equally bad as the burning of that jewish puppet. I'm shocked to learn people actually do that/say those things in public. I am and was shocked about that too Jeanne. It's unacceptable. But blunt people, hooliganism and people with zero brains are unfortunately part of Dutch life. Dutch Jewish people and jewish fans of the 'Jewish club' soccer club Ajax have gotten used to fans of the opposing Feijenoord Rotterdam, Ado DenHaag and FC Utrecht shouting ' Hamas Hamas, Jews to the Gas'. Even Jewish fans of Feijenoord, Ado Den Haag and FC Utrecht have to live with it. Feijenoord Fans shout the slogan, and after that sing, ' Who doesn't stand up is a jew', and ' Cancer Jews', a Dutch blunt version of f**king Jews. Amsterdam fans and Hooligans have adopted the word ' Jew' as a reappropriation. They call themselves ' Super Jews', and their hard core F Side writes the word F in the middle of a Star of David. During matches gigantic Israeli flags are shown by Ajax fans. An Israeli jewish woman who lives in Amsterdam examined the phenomenon of a non-Jewish group who uses the jewish identity for their own gainHow the Jewish identity and Israeli anthem merged with the Amsterdam soccer fan and Hooligan culture Ajax supporters, 'the Super Jews' sing the Israeli anthem |
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Post by pjotr on Jan 19, 2016 1:29:33 GMT 1
I can say this normal fans from all soccer clubs hate this kind of behavior, the anti-semitic slogans, the racist slurs, the hatred, the violence, the aggression and the unpleasent atmosphere the Hooligans create for normal decent soccer fans of the various clubs. Normal families, normal blokes, girls, boys and children love football too!
I worked today, helping friend to move their belonings from their old home to their new home. They hired a few Polish workers. I talked with one of the guys, who came from Szczecin. He said that Hooliganism and racism is a problem in Poland. He said that he had travelled all around, met a lot of people, a lot of nationalities. He hated racism and the nationalist climate in his country. He said that he loved Poznań, the city where my grandparents lived. The city I visited several times during the seventies and eighties as a kid with my parents and my sister. His favorite soccer club is Lech Poznań. He is a normal, civilised and decent soccer fan.
P.S.- Unfortunately we have to live with the fact that we have to live with a bunch of Neanderthals who happen to speak Dutch and carry a Dutch passport. Soccer Hooligans, Neo-Nazi's and supporters of Geert Wilders PVV party.
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Post by jeanne on Jan 19, 2016 1:57:42 GMT 1
Pieter,
I guess every country has such racists. It just surprises me that they are so blatant about it. There are, of course, racists in the U.S. but their racism often is of a subtler form, but no less hateful and disgusting.
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Post by Polishprideson on Jan 22, 2016 17:25:26 GMT 1
To all who condemn the act mentioned above
Burning the Jew effigy in Warsaw is strictly associated with the recent activities of a Jewish corrupt mogul who goes by name Soros. It is not a secret he advocates opening European gates to immigrants as widely as possible. It was him who stated that Europe should accommodate 1 million immigrants per year! Year! Can you visualise this flood? How many immigrants will our countries have to adopt year by year? The assimilation of these people after they come in such numbers will not be possible. Europe will never be the same again.
No! We must not agree to that plan. Its intention is clear - demolish the traditional European values by flooding it with people of alien culture, religion, customs. If we are true patriots of this and other countries, we must say strong NO! to this mischievious plan.
It is clear in that context that the demostrators in Warsaw who burnt that effigy did not mean Jews in general, but one particular fat cat Jew who is trying to harm true Europeans with the imposition of different culture on them. I did not attend the rally since I live in another city but my mates from Warsaw explained the meaning of that act to me.
Additionally, I have a constant contact with patriotic guys from other countries and I can only say they greatly admire Polish demontrators and promise to follow the example. Polish guys did the right thing, that`s how they comment.
If we love our countries, we must act now before it is too late.
Polish Pride, true son of Poland.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 22, 2016 19:32:26 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 22, 2016 21:01:43 GMT 1
1 No! We must not agree to that plan. Its intention is clear - demolish the traditional European values by flooding it with people of alien culture, religion, customs. If we are true patriots of this and other countries, we must say strong NO! to this mischievious plan. 2 It is clear in that context that the demostrators in Warsaw who burnt that effigy did not mean Jews in general, but one particular fat cat Jew who is trying to harm true Europeans with the imposition of different culture on them. I did not attend the rally since I live in another city but my mates from Warsaw explained the meaning of that act to me. 3 Additionally, I have a constant contact with patriotic guys from other countries and I can only say they greatly admire Polish demontrators and promise to follow the example. Polish guys did the right thing, that`s how they comment. If we love our countries, we must act now before it is too late. Polish Pride, true son of Poland. 1 Yes, I understand your point of view but the problem is that traditional European values are based on Christianity which has prevailed on the continent for centuries. And according to Christian doctrine, you should help people in need. 2 The problem is they burnt that figure without any visible explanation. If they meant Soros, they should have written his name on that effigy. Howevetreated as such by observers. 3 The problem is that I read foreign sites, forums and discussion groups on the Net. That burning caused a huge scandal and strengthened not only the stereotype of notoriously antisemitic Poles but also the stereotype of Polish stupidity - why the heck did they burn a Jew at an anti-immigration demonstration?? (  |
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Post by Polishprideson on Jan 23, 2016 16:21:27 GMT 1
1 No! We must not agree to that plan. Its intention is clear - demolish the traditional European values by flooding it with people of alien culture, religion, customs. If we are true patriots of this and other countries, we must say strong NO! to this mischievious plan. 2 It is clear in that context that the demostrators in Warsaw who burnt that effigy did not mean Jews in general, but one particular fat cat Jew who is trying to harm true Europeans with the imposition of different culture on them. I did not attend the rally since I live in another city but my mates from Warsaw explained the meaning of that act to me. 3 Additionally, I have a constant contact with patriotic guys from other countries and I can only say they greatly admire Polish demontrators and promise to follow the example. Polish guys did the right thing, that`s how they comment. If we love our countries, we must act now before it is too late. Polish Pride, true son of Poland. 1 Yes, I understand your point of view but the problem is that traditional European values are based on Christianity which has prevailed on the continent for centuries. And according to Christian doctrine, you should help people in need. 2 The problem is they burnt that figure without any visible explanation. If they meant Soros, they should have written his name on that effigy. Howevetreated as such by observers. 3 The problem is that I read foreign sites, forums and discussion groups on the Net. That burning caused a huge scandal and strengthened not only the stereotype of notoriously antisemitic Poles but also the stereotype of Polish stupidity - why the heck did they burn a Jew at an anti-immigration demonstration?? ( In need, yes. This is a wonderful Christian credo which I agree with. But if those migrants were really in need, they would stay in countries through which they travel, instead of being obsessed with one sole destination - Germany, which offers the highest benefits. They smell money in Germany and flock in droves to Merkel`s paradise, hoping for sweet life there, with free apartments, social security without work, monthly allowance, benefits for 6 offspring and so on and so on. The effigy was not signed, yes, but who cares? Intelligent people fully realise what it concerned. Again, who cares about sites where they do not understand the reason of the protest? I do not care myself, if they are too stupid to comprehend what is going on here, then it is their own fault. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 24, 2016 22:40:52 GMT 1
In need, yes. This is a wonderful Christian credo which I agree with. But if those migrants were really in need, they would stay in countries through which they travel, instead of being obsessed with one sole destination - Germany, which offers the highest benefits. They smell money in Germany and flock in droves to Merkel`s paradise, hoping for sweet life there, with free apartments, social security without work, monthly allowance, benefits for 6 offspring and so on and so on. The effigy was not signed, yes, but who cares? Intelligent people fully realise what it concerned. Again, who cares about sites where they do not understand the reason of the protest? I do not care myself, if they are too stupid to comprehend what is going on here, then it is their own fault. The southern countries through which they pass as first cannot accept all immigrants, that is why they are moving north. Even intelligent people don`t have time to play a guessing game when reading short news about burning Jew figures in Poland. A thought comes to their mind and it is enough for them. Can you guess what kind of thought it is? Instead of doing our best to get rid of harmful stereotypes, we strengthen them on our own wish. That`s what I would call stupidity. |
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Post by pjotr on Jan 25, 2016 4:18:19 GMT 1
Well again I have to agree with you Bo. This is common sense and ethics. In a democratic, free, decent and human society all citizens and people are equal and religious, ethnic, cultural and other minorities are protected as long as they obey he law and live decent lives. And I believe the Polish-Jews, German Poles, Ukrainian Poles, Calvinist Poles, Lutheran Poles and Polish Tartar Muslims can be as good Poles as ethnic Western-Slav Roman-Catholic Poles.
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Post by Polishprideson on Jan 26, 2016 12:58:08 GMT 1
To Pjotr,
You said "in a democratic, free, decent and human society all citizens and people are equal and religious, ethnic, cultural and other minorities are protected as long as they obey he law and live decent lives."
It is a major misunderstanding that too many people fall prey to. How can European countries remain democratic and free if all those Muslims are trying to do everything to topple democracy and introduce the rule of Islam, which is not only religion but also complete ideology on which the state system is based? Have you heard of mosques around which it is illegal to sell alcohol? Have you heard of Islam police which patrols streets and deals with indecent behaviour and outfit? Have you heard of massacres of innocent citizens all over Europe? Have you heard of no-go zones in main cities? Of course you have because such news is available in Poland.
Yes, for Islamists, all people are equal as long as they profess Islam. Yes, they are protected as long as they obey law, but it must be Islamic law. Yes, they can live a decent life but under Islamic rule.
What about it? Islam is growing more and more powerful and one day we will live in Islamic states unless we take action now. If you really love Poland and are a Polish patriot, you must not agree to open-door policy, so happily but so wrongfully adopted by so many European countries. Let`s keep Poland clean of all this mess they are experiencing in the West of Europe.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 27, 2016 16:55:34 GMT 1
Dear Proud son of Poland,  European Commission first vice-president Frans Timmermans says most of those fleeing to Europe are economic migrants. Photograph: Yves Herman/ReutersYou have good Muslims and bad Muslims like good Roman Catholics and bad Roman Catholics. Of course I have heard news about the things you say because such news is available not only in Poland, but also in the Netherlands where I live and work.I have grown up with Muslim migrants and migrants from other parts of the world which are not Muslims, but people from our former colonies (Suriname and the Dutch Antilles). I grew up with the presence of these minorities and Muslim migrants. First in a predominantly Dutch population province and later in Amsterdam and Arnhem in mixed cities with a Dutch majority and large non-European minorities. I have had a Moroccan class mate in high school, and Iranian, Turkish, Moroccan, Kurd colleagues at my previous jobs and an Afghan colleague at my present job. He escaped from the Taliban from Afghanistan, because he wants his daughters to have a future. They speak excellent Dutch and study at the university. He is a good colleague. We have to separate the wheat from the chaff and be selective who we let in or not. The streams of refugees are to large today. Even the Dutch First Vice-President of the European Commission and the European Commissioner for the portfolio of Better Regulation, Inter-Institutional Relations, Rule of Law and Charter of Fundamental Rights, Frans Timmermans (Dutch Labour Party) said that 60% of arrivals are economic migrants. “ More than half of the people now coming to Europe come from countries where you can assume they have no reason whatsoever to ask for refugee status … more than half, 60 percent.” Those 60 percent were predominantly from north Africa, mainly Moroccans or Tunisians who were leaving their own countries for “ economic reasons” and attempting to travel to Europe through Turkey, the former Netherlands foreign minister told the Dutch national broadcaster, NOS. Acknowledging this, the only immediate option, Mr Timmermans said, was to return economic migrants to their countries of origin as quickly as possible in order to maintain support for refugee relief – in other words, for people genuinely fleeing war. I do believe that the world has to help refugees from bloody and vicious wars and civil wars and the most brutal dictatorships. In the past dissidents and political prisoners from Central- and Eastern-Europe received help from the West and some of them escaped to the West and found a safe heaven there. But I do believe that the Muslim world should do more. Rich Muslim nations could take in more refugees, and the refugees should be equally distributed over the Western world, and not only be allowed to enter into Europe, but also in other Middle-Eastern countries, African nations, Asian nations, South-America, Middle-America and North-America. It is not good that they only go to Europe. The result is today that Europe is closing it's borders and Germany and Sweden, who were very tolerant and open are now closing their borders too. And there is no solution for the refugees. Families and single persons are in the middle of nowwhere between borders, in rough environments and living under inhumane conditions. Babies and children are dying from the cold, or hunger or drown in the sea. Stop these wars and arms selling to these conflict area's or help these people. Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 30, 2016 14:38:24 GMT 1
Peter, I selected the above posts and created this new thread because they were somehow lost in their old thread about the Jewish Museum. They should have a seperate thread while the Museum remains on its own.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 31, 2016 14:56:11 GMT 1
1 No! We must not agree to that plan. Its intention is clear - demolish the traditional European values by flooding it with people of alien culture, religion, customs. If we are true patriots of this and other countries, we must say strong NO! to this mischievious plan. 2 It is clear in that context that the demostrators in Warsaw who burnt that effigy did not mean Jews in general, but one particular fat cat Jew who is trying to harm true Europeans with the imposition of different culture on them. I did not attend the rally since I live in another city but my mates from Warsaw explained the meaning of that act to me. 3 Additionally, I have a constant contact with patriotic guys from other countries and I can only say they greatly admire Polish demontrators and promise to follow the example. Polish guys did the right thing, that`s how they comment. If we love our countries, we must act now before it is too late. Polish Pride, true son of Poland. 1 Yes, I understand your point of view but the problem is that traditional European values are based on Christianity which has prevailed on the continent for centuries. And according to Christian doctrine, you should help people in need. 2 The problem is they burnt that figure without any visible explanation. If they meant Soros, they should have written his name on that effigy. Howevetreated as such by observers. 3 The problem is that I read foreign sites, forums and discussion groups on the Net. That burning caused a huge scandal and strengthened not only the stereotype of notoriously antisemitic Poles but also the stereotype of Polish stupidity - why the heck did they burn a Jew at an anti-immigration demonstration?? ( 1 - It is true that the christian doctrine states that you should help people in need. Jesus Christ stated in in the Gospel of Luke, in 6:17–49; "Treat others the way you want to be treated (6:31)", "Don't judge and you won't be judged, don't condemn and you won't be condemned, forgive and you will be forgiven, give and you will receive (6:37–38)", "Love your enemies and turn the other cheek (6:27–36)", and "Remove the log from your own eye before attending to the splinter in your friend's (40b-42)." 2 - I agree with Bonobo here. Outsiders will not distinguish between George Soros and jews in general. For other non-Polish Europeans and Americans the who burnt that effigy immediately have the old cliché image of the anti-semitic Pole who committed pogroms (Jadwebne and Kielce), and suck anti-semitism from the mothers brest. The old anti-Polonist ideas of many Protestant christians, jews and secular non-Jewish people in Europe, America and Israel. According to Waldemar A. Nielsen, an authority on American philanthropy, " Soros has undertaken ... nothing less than to open up the once-closed communist societies of Eastern Europe to a free flow of ideas and scientific knowledge from the outside world." From 1979, as an advocate of ' open societies', Soros financially supported dissidents including Poland's Solidarity movement, Solidarność, Charta 77 in Czechoslovakia and Andrei Sakharov in the Soviet Union. In 1984, he founded his first Open Society Institute in Hungary with a budget of $3 million.    Andrei Dmitrievich Sakharov (May 21, 1921 – December 14, 1989) was a Russian nuclear physicist, Soviet dissident and human rights activist.
He became renowned as the designer of the Soviet Union's Third Idea, a codename for Soviet development of thermonuclear weapons. Sakharov later became an advocate of civil liberties and civil reforms in the Soviet Union, for which he faced state persecution; these efforts earned him the Nobel Peace Prize in 1975. The Sakharov Prize, which is awarded annually by the European Parliament for people and organizations dedicated to human rights and freedoms, is named in his honour. George Soros (Hungarian: Soros György, born August 12, 1930) is a Hungarian-American business magnate, investor, philanthropist, political activist, and author. He is chairman of Soros Fund Management. He is known as "The Man Who Broke the Bank of England" because of his short sale of US$10 billion worth of Pound sterling, making him a profit of $1 billion during the 1992 Black Wednesday UK currency crisis. Soros is one of the 30 richest people in the world.
Soros is a well-known supporter of American progressive and American liberal political causes.Views on antisemitismOn November 5, 2003, at a Jewish forum in New York City, Soros partially attributed a recent resurgence of antisemitism to the policies of Israel and the United States, and the role of wealthy and influential individuals: There is a resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe. The policies of the Bush administration and the Sharon administration contribute to that. It's not specifically anti-Semitism, but it does manifest itself in anti-Semitism as well. I'm critical of those policies... If we change that direction, then anti-Semitism also will diminish. I can't see how one could confront it directly... I'm also very concerned about my own role because the new anti-Semitism holds that the Jews rule the world... As an unintended consequence of my actions... I also contribute to that image.In a subsequent article for The New York Review of Books, Soros emphasized that I do not subscribe to the myths propagated by enemies of Israel and I am not blaming Jews for anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism predates the birth of Israel. Neither Israel's policies nor the critics of those policies should be held responsible for anti-Semitism. At the same time, I do believe that attitudes toward Israel are influenced by Israel's policies, and attitudes toward the Jewish community are influenced by the pro-Israel lobby's success in suppressing divergent views.www.se.pl/wiadomosci/opinie/george-soros-zbrodniarz-i-filantrop_197747.html3 - Absolutely Bo, my statement in 2 also counts for three. Why do people always and all the time point at jews with everything which is wrong. The refugee crisis in Europe in Europe is mainly a non-jewish phenomenon. Most European politicians are not Jewish. European politicians are rather critical of Israel, and George Soros is largely forgotton or unknown to the large majority of Europeans. The refugees are non-jews, the supporters of refugees in Europe are mainly non-Jewish and the opponents of the refugees are also mainly non jewish. And the jews of Europe themselves are divided between left and rightwing opinions, like Polish and Dutch citizens in general. So you will have European jews who oppose the coming of the refugees out of the same fear Poles and Dutch people have. And there will be jews who support refugees, out of the same reason Bo mentioned in the Christian perspective. Also the jewish faith states that you should treat strangers and gentiles correctly. And a jewish statement says: "A person who saves one life saves whole humanity." |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 31, 2016 21:20:54 GMT 1
1 - It is true that the christian doctrine states that you should help people in need. Jesus Christ stated in in the Gospel of Luke, in 6:17–49; "Treat others the way you want to be treated (6:31)", "Don't judge and you won't be judged, don't condemn and you won't be condemned, forgive and you will be forgiven, give and you will receive (6:37–38)", "Love your enemies and turn the other cheek (6:27–36)", and "Remove the log from your own eye before attending to the splinter in your friend's (40b-42)." 1 We could also use 8 Beautitudes (blessings) in case of refugees:
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven. (5:3)
Blessed are those who mourn: for they will be comforted. (5:4)
Blessed are the meek: for they will inherit the earth. (5:5)
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness: for they will be filled. (5:6)
Blessed are the merciful: for they will be shown mercy. (5:7)
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they will see God. (5:8)
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they will be called children of God. (5:9)
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (5:10) as well as Matthew`s gospel:http://biblehub.com/matthew/25.htm
When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 31, 2016 21:47:47 GMT 1
2 - I agree with Bonobo here. Outsiders will not distinguish between George Soros and jews in general. For other non-Polish Europeans and Americans the who burnt that effigy immediately have the old cliché image of the anti-semitic Pole who committed pogroms (Jadwebne and Kielce), and suck anti-semitism from the mothers brest. The old anti-Polonist ideas of many Protestant christians, jews and secular non-Jewish people in Europe, America and Israel. 3 - Absolutely Bo, my statement in 2 also counts for three. Why do people always and all the time point at jews with everything which is wrong. The refugee crisis in Europe in Europe is mainly a non-jewish phenomenon. Most European politicians are not Jewish. European politicians are rather critical of Israel, and George Soros is largely forgotton or unknown to the large majority of Europeans. The refugees are non-jews, the supporters of refugees in Europe are mainly non-Jewish and the opponents of the refugees are also mainly non jewish. And the jews of Europe themselves are divided between left and rightwing opinions, like Polish and Dutch citizens in general. So you will have European jews who oppose the coming of the refugees out of the same fear Poles and Dutch people have. And there will be jews who support refugees, out of the same reason Bo mentioned in the Christian perspective. Also the jewish faith states that you should treat strangers and gentiles correctly. And a jewish statement says: "A person who saves one life saves whole humanity." 2 Yes, that `s what I said. But it seems nationalists don`t care about it. 3 Yes, again, it seems nationalists don`t care whether a Jew is guilty or not. Someone cries out "Chase the Jew" and they all run. Mob behaviour without a single trace of reason. They used this Soros as a nice pretext to bash at Jews in general and now are looking for quick, but cheap excuses. |
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Post by Bonobo on May 8, 2016 22:16:25 GMT 1
Polish nationalist burns image of mayor in skullcap
02.05.2016 16:48
A Polish nationalist burnt an image of the mayor of Wrocław wearing a skullcap during an anti-EU march in the Lower Silesian city on Sunday.
The march was organised by the National Radical Camp (ONR), a formation that was banned in the mid-1930s on account of its extremism, but reactivated in 1993.
The image of Wrocław mayor Rafał Dutkiewicz was apparently set on fire by Roman Zieliński, author of a book entitled 'How I fell in love with Adolf Hitler,' (Jak pokochałem Adolfa Hitlera).
Zieliński is a figurehead of a faction of fans of local football side Śląsk Wrocław.
Meanwhile, a Polish prosecutor's office is probing whether ONR promoted fascism during anniversary events last month in Białystok, north-eastern Poland- See more at: www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/251155,Polish-nationalist-burns-image-of-mayor-in-skullcap#sthash.0dIJ4XYG.dpuf 
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 6, 2016 21:18:13 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 25, 2016 19:45:15 GMT 1
Unfortunately ghosts of the past are alive and kicking. Burning of a puppet depicting an Orthodox Jewish manThe man who did it has been sentenced to 10 months, unsuspended. wroclaw.wyborcza.pl/wroclaw/1,35771,21008333,spalenie-kukly-zyda-piotr-rybak-skazany-na-bezwzgledne.html#TRrelSST |
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