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Post by Bonobo on Jul 15, 2009 21:23:06 GMT 1
Poles opposed to homosexuals
As many as 87% of Poles oppose homosexuals adopting children
The Warsaw Business Journal
13th July 2009
As much as 87% of Poland is opposed to allowing homosexual couples to adopt children and 75% of the public does not want to allow the legalization of same sex marriages in Poland, according to a poll taken by GfK Polonia.
"This shows that Poland is still a society devoted to traditional values. They are also not subject to fashion and pressure from other European states," said prof. Zdzis³aw Krasnodêbski, a sociologist from Warsaw University. He pointed out that same sex marriages were already legalized in the Netherlands, Belgium and Spain, whilst adoption of children by homosexuals is possible in Sweden, Spain and Great Britain.
"If somebody is opposed to this, then he is labeled as extremely conservative and anti-European. However Poles are pro-European and attached to traditional values," said the expert.
According to spokesmen for homosexual groups, they must put a lot of effort into changing their image by being more visible and courageous in presenting their opinions.
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Post by jeanne on Jul 15, 2009 22:34:18 GMT 1
I voted 'no'.
Also, I question the title of the survey: "Should gay couples have the RIGHT to adoption?" I'm not sure that adopting a child is a right. I think that if anyone has rights in the situation, it is the child. I believe that children have the right to be brought up in a home with both a mother and a father.
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uncltim
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Post by uncltim on Jul 16, 2009 0:42:03 GMT 1
A complex issue.
I voted no, but I am somewhat sympathetic to the feelings of gays.
The complexities are enormous. Firstly, Gay adoption really only effects males. Females can go to the doctor and choose sperm from any donor they choose. (volunteers?) Males have no such option.
I must agree with Jeanne that It is important for children to be raised in a home with traditional relationships. Because of my brother, I know quite a few gay couples who would make/are fine parents. My only issue is that gays tend to associate primarily with other gays and end up living in a kind of "closed community" with little interaction with "straight" couples in a close family relationship. I dont think think that being gay diminishes anyones capacity to love and foster a child, but, It may not be the best for a child to grow up in that environment.
I suppose you could make the same argument about growing up in a home with an alcoholic parent or even a home with a parent who suffers from chronic depression. Again, the issue is a complex matter. My heart and my mind are at odds. I will follow my head as my heart has a habit of leading me astray. Oh, There is also that whole "sin" thing.
-Tim
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Post by paulo on Jul 16, 2009 3:24:33 GMT 1
There used to be a saying in the homosexual community, questioning the lack of happy "gays." This started when the term, "gay," started--probably in the '70's. I am sure it has been tossed out of their community by now as being 'too honest to help our cause.'
Though I have empathy for the many reasons people get involved in that lifestyle, I still am not surprised that it is a tormented lifestyle. Sex is the deepest identifier of who we are as people. Small wonder if there is confusion there, there is confusion everywhere. I greatly question the wisdom of bringing an adopted child into that mess.
Political correctness says I am a neanderthal. When one's argument is weak, one has to resort to name-calling, censorship, or controlling how the issue in question is framed.
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 16, 2009 23:03:25 GMT 1
A complex issue. I voted no, but I am somewhat sympathetic to the feelings of gays. The complexities are enormous. Firstly, Gay adoption really only effects males. Females can go to the doctor and choose sperm from any donor they choose. (volunteers?) Males have no such option. I must agree with Jeanne that It is important for children to be raised in a home with traditional relationships. Because of my brother, I know quite a few gay couples who would make/are fine parents. My only issue is that gays tend to associate primarily with other gays and end up living in a kind of "closed community" with little interaction with "straight" couples in a close family relationship. I dont think think that being gay diminishes anyones capacity to love and foster a child, but, It may not be the best for a child to grow up in that environment. I suppose you could make the same argument about growing up in a home with an alcoholic parent or even a home with a parent who suffers from chronic depression. Again, the issue is a complex matter. My heart and my mind are at odds. I will follow my head as my heart has a habit of leading me astray. Oh, There is also that whole "sin" thing. -Tim It is a very reasonable attitude, explained in a nice English, which I share in most parts, especially the introductory sentence: I voted no, but I am somewhat sympathetic to the feelings of gays. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 16, 2009 23:08:02 GMT 1
Small wonder if there is confusion there, there is confusion everywhere. I greatly question the wisdom of bringing an adopted child into that mess. Yes, paulo, we are in confusion. Legal gay adoption is still too fresh to conduct any valid research on it. I think it will take next 20 years to see if its results are negative as we suppose or not. |
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Post by valpomike on Jul 17, 2009 16:35:54 GMT 1
20 years can mess up a child's mind for good. This must not happen. This is not what God wanted for us.
Mike
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Post by locopolaco on Jul 20, 2009 19:41:14 GMT 1
20 years can mess up a child's mind for good. This must not happen. This is not what God wanted for us. Mike so, who made them gay, mike? |
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 20, 2009 19:46:05 GMT 1
20 years can mess up a child's mind for good. This must not happen. This is not what God wanted for us. Mike so, who made them gay, mike? This is a very good question.... |
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Post by valpomike on Jul 21, 2009 4:48:31 GMT 1
In many or most it was a choice they made, in others, could have been parents. I know of a person who, I think was made gay, by his mother, and his father did nothing to change.
This is like global warming, it all depends on who you talk with.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Aug 23, 2009 21:46:38 GMT 1
Poles Overwhelmingly Reject Same-Sex Marriage
August 05, 2009
(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Three quarters of people in Poland are against allowing homosexual couples to wed, according to a poll by GfK Polonia. 75 per cent of respondents oppose the legalization of same-sex marriage, while 87 per cent reject allowing same-sex couples to adopt children.
In 2007, then Polish prime minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski expressed concerns about the reach of a new European treaty, declaring, "We want to avoid seeing this argument being used for pressing on us in morality and tradition-related issues; or forcing us for example to introduce homosexual marriages in Poland including the right of such couples to adopt children."
Same-sex marriage is currently legal in the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Canada, South Africa, Norway and Sweden. At least 20 countries offer some form of legal recognition to same-sex unions.
On Jul. 21, Polish gay activist Waldemar Zboralski referred to his efforts to legalize same-sex unions in Poland, saying, "It is a shame that the Polish government formally force Polish people to leave Poland to search for human rights in Western Europe. My goal is to stop hatred in Poland against gay and lesbian people and to force the Polish government to open the way for civil partnerships as soon as possible."
Polling Data
Do you support or oppose allowing same-sex couples to get married?
Support 14%
Oppose 75%
Not sure 11%
Do you support or oppose allowing same-sex couples to adopt children?
Support 5%
Oppose 87%
Not sure 8%
Source: GfK Polonia
Methodology: Interviews to 1,000 Polish adults, conducted from Jul. 3 to Jul. 5, 2009. Margin of error is 3 per cent.
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Post by valpomike on Aug 23, 2009 23:42:32 GMT 1
I go along with the polls. marriage is between two people, on man and one women, not two men, or two women.
Mike
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