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Post by tufta on May 12, 2009 9:36:04 GMT 1
I didn't know where toput this news, it doesn't fit 'troubled neighbourhood' as the title there included only Polish-Jewish part, so it landed in the variety. Not quite Polish news indeed but I found it so incredible and shocking that I wanted to share it. ' No Jews' policy employed at Austria hotel
Tags: Austria, Anti-Semitism
A hotel in the Austrian region of Tyrol that said it does not accept Jewish guests has caused shock in the local media and tourism industry, the daily Tiroler Tageszeitung reported Sunday.
A Vienna family of seven had had tried to make a reservation at the Haus Sonnenhof apartment hotel in the village of Serfaus, but the owner replied by e-mail that although the room was free, she did not want to take in Jewish guests because of "bad experiences" in the past.
The region around Serfaus has become popular among orthodox Jewish tourists in recent years, and several hotels in Tyrol have begun offering kosher food.
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At Hotel Alpenruh-Micheluzzi, owner Petra Micheluzzi told the German Press Agency DPA that the rejection by the Sonnenhof was "bad for the image" of Serfaus.
One such incident could destroy all the hard work by others in the travel industry, she said, a view echoed by local and regional tourism officials.
"That's terrible," said Esther Fritsch, the president of the regional Jewish community. So far there have been no such incidents, she told the newspaper.
Irmgard Monz, the owner of the Haus Sonnenhof apartment hotel, could not be reached for comment on Sunday. In an interview with Tiroler Tageszeitung, she offered no justification for her e-mail.
For his part, the rejected father of five has decided to spend the
summer elsewhere: "I don't want to spend my vacation in such a racist
nest, and I will inform all my friends about what is going on in
Tyrol," the unidentified man was quoted as saying.
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Post by locopolaco on May 12, 2009 12:33:19 GMT 1
I didn't know where toput this news, it doesn't fit 'troubled neighbourhood' as the title there included only Polish-Jewish part, so it landed in the variety. Not quite Polish news indeed but I found it so incredible and shocking that I wanted to share it. ' No Jews' policy employed at Austria hotel
Tags: Austria, Anti-Semitism
A hotel in the Austrian region of Tyrol that said it does not accept Jewish guests has caused shock in the local media and tourism industry, the daily Tiroler Tageszeitung reported Sunday.
A Vienna family of seven had had tried to make a reservation at the Haus Sonnenhof apartment hotel in the village of Serfaus, but the owner replied by e-mail that although the room was free, she did not want to take in Jewish guests because of "bad experiences" in the past.
The region around Serfaus has become popular among orthodox Jewish tourists in recent years, and several hotels in Tyrol have begun offering kosher food.
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At Hotel Alpenruh-Micheluzzi, owner Petra Micheluzzi told the German Press Agency DPA that the rejection by the Sonnenhof was "bad for the image" of Serfaus.
One such incident could destroy all the hard work by others in the travel industry, she said, a view echoed by local and regional tourism officials.
"That's terrible," said Esther Fritsch, the president of the regional Jewish community. So far there have been no such incidents, she told the newspaper.
Irmgard Monz, the owner of the Haus Sonnenhof apartment hotel, could not be reached for comment on Sunday. In an interview with Tiroler Tageszeitung, she offered no justification for her e-mail.
For his part, the rejected father of five has decided to spend the
summer elsewhere: "I don't want to spend my vacation in such a racist
nest, and I will inform all my friends about what is going on in
Tyrol," the unidentified man was quoted as saying.
www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1084458.htmlthat's how freedom works.. it's their business and they can do as they please. doesn't austria have anti-discrimination laws? |
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Post by Bonobo on May 14, 2009 18:18:23 GMT 1
A Vienna family of seven had had tried to make a reservation at the Haus Sonnenhof apartment hotel in the village of Serfaus, but the owner replied by e-mail that although the room was free, she did not want to take in Jewish guests because of "bad experiences" in the past. I can understand this family. SOmewhere in our forum there is a post about Israeli youngsters who misbehave on Holocaust trips to Poland, e..g, they smash their hotel rooms to such extent that owners stopped hosting groups from Israel. I suppose this is the case of the Austrian family and I see nothing shocking in it. It has nothing to do with antisemitism, the owner had bad experience, probably several times. That is why the Jewish comment on it is uinfair and exaggerated. |
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Post by uncltim on May 14, 2009 23:59:25 GMT 1
Without knowing the reason the owner of the hotel chooses not to host jewish guests we make a large jump to assume "racism" is the cause. It is foolish to accept this kind of "labeling" as an automatic truth. It only serves the needs of others who seek to control a situation when we give that kind of talk an unthinking credibility.
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Post by tufta on May 15, 2009 8:59:31 GMT 1
I can understand this family. SOmewhere in our forum there is a post about Israeli youngsters who misbehave on Holocaust trips to Poland, e..g, they smash their hotel rooms to such extent that owners stopped hosting groups from Israel. I suppose this is the case of the Austrian family and I see nothing shocking in it. It has nothing to do with antisemitism, the owner had bad experience, probably several times. The family was not Israeli, and the parents were not youngsters I suppose. They were Austrians from Vienna, Jewish Austrians - there are many of them in the Austrian capital. So misbehaviour of Israeli youngsters is not connected to this case. People of Tirol were known as staunch supporters of nazists 1933-1945. But since then they have put A LOT of effort to clean their tarnished image. And they have succeeded, today many hotels in Tirol offer kosher food and hosts lots of people from Israel. This one family acts against this current, against modern understanding of equality and most of all against their neighbours' business. And acts in a shocking way, as there're many ways to say 'no' to a customer without naming his confession. And yes, I do understand that hosting an orthodox Jewish family needs more effort. I would like you to read these two fake messages, which are equivalents of this situation, but freed from a 'racist' context which automatically arose in some reactions. I hope they will help understand the way I am feeling (shocked as I said) about the whole event. A hotel in the Polish region of Podhale that said it does not accept Protestant guests has caused shock in the local media and tourism industry, the daily Głos Podhalański reported Sunday.
A family of seven from the town of Wisła have tried to make a reservation at the Willa Pod Jodłami apartment hotel in the village of Olcza, but the owner replied by e-mail that although the room was free, she did not want to take in Protestant guests because of "bad experiences" in the past.
========= A hotel in the Polish region of Pomerania that said it does not accept Muslim guests has caused shock in the local media and tourism industry, the daily Głos Koszaliński reported Sunday.
A Podlasie family of seven from the village of Kruszyniany have tried to make a reservation at the Willa Bałtycka apartment hotel in the village of Sarbinowo , but the owner replied by e-mail that although the room was free, she did not want to take in Muslim guests because of "bad experiences" in the past.
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Post by gigi on May 15, 2009 17:15:28 GMT 1
Without knowing the reason the owner of the hotel chooses not to host jewish guests we make a large jump to assume "racism" is the cause. What possible "Jewish specific" behavior could possibly justify the owner's comments/action?  |
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Post by uncltim on May 15, 2009 21:58:52 GMT 1
Tufta,
You used a technique that I like to employ myself. Role-reversal is extremely useful when considering an ethical situation, It helps one to empathize with others in a given situation. I agree that the family looks to have been treated unfairly! The question of motive remains. I despise irrational bigotry. But, If they have had problems in the past I think they should have the right to protect themselves from loss. Lets keep in mind that the owner lost money by not renting the rooms. outwardly it looks like a case of bigotry but maybe, maybe not. Racism is an incorrect term, but it gets used a lot in these situations because it gets the maximum reaction and media exposure.
I have learned that you must choose your words wisely when involved in race/culture situations. The definitions below have subtle differences and overlap in places, but it is important to note the differences
Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
A bigot is a person who is intolerant of or takes offense to the opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset.
Bias is a term used to described a tendency or preference to-wards a particular perspective, ideology or result, especially when the tendency interferes with the ability to be impartial, unprejudiced, or objective.
I hope that we learn more about the hotel owners reasoning.
-Tim
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Post by tufta on May 18, 2009 16:31:05 GMT 1
Tufta, You used a technique that I like to employ myself. Role-reversal is extremely useful when considering an ethical situation, It helps one to empathize with others in a given situation. I agree that the family looks to have been treated unfairly! The question of motive remains. I despise irrational bigotry. But, If they have had problems in the past I think they should have the right to protect themselves from loss. Lets keep in mind that the owner lost money by not renting the rooms. outwardly it looks like a case of bigotry but maybe, maybe not. Racism is an incorrect term, but it gets used a lot in these situations because it gets the maximum reaction and media exposure. I have learned that you must choose your words wisely when involved in race/culture situations. The definitions below have subtle differences and overlap in places, but it is important to note the differences Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. A bigot is a person who is intolerant of or takes offense to the opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset. Bias is a term used to described a tendency or preference to-wards a particular perspective, ideology or result, especially when the tendency interferes with the ability to be impartial, unprejudiced, or objective. I hope that we learn more about the hotel owners reasoning. -Tim Tim, I don't think so we will ever learn more about that ;D Besides, you American people (well, SOME of you) have some strange trait ;D ;D ;D In the other forum I just read how a well travelled, intelligent American explains to 'non-native English speakers' the meaning of an Ancient Greek word, which was incorporated into European languages long before Cristopher Columbus learned how to sail.... ;D ;D ;D And now you... |
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Post by Bonobo on May 18, 2009 22:22:43 GMT 1
The family was not Israeli, and the parents were not youngsters I suppose. They were Austrians from Vienna, Jewish Austrians - there are many of them in the Austrian capital. So misbehaviour of Israeli youngsters is not connected to this case. People of Tirol were known as staunch supporters of nazists 1933-1945. Ooops, I didn`t get this message from the original post. In that case, it might be an example of racial bias or even racism. Hmm, what about if the owner had hosted tourists from Israel before and they had demolished her hotel? Is it possible she decided not to put up any Jews, no matter where they come from?
Israeli teenagers are a nuisance in Poland
11 05 2007
Source: Przekrój weekly of May the 10th 2007
Link to original article in Polish
Author: Anna Szulc
English translation: MoPoPressReview
The list of losses Israeli teenagers’ visits leave behind is long and costly. It begins with burned carpets in Polish hotels, and ends with Jewish teenagers’ trauma. But more and more often with local residents’ trauma too.
Roberto Lucchesini, originally from Tuscany, for several years now a resident of Krakow, hasn’t been sleeping well recently. Before he will be able to move his arms normally again, he will have to go through long rehab. All this because of how he was treated, in broad daylight in front of passers-by and several teenagers who were hermetically closed in their coach-buses. Israeli bodyguards, equipped with firearms, binded his arms behind his back over his head with handcuffs. In Krakow, in the middle of the street. A moment before, the Italian was trying to make coach drivers parking in front of his house turn their engines off. - ‘Israelis handcuffed me, threw me on the ground, my face landed in dog excrement, and then they were kicking me’. After that the perpetrators were gone. Italian had to be freed by the Polish police.
Lucchesini moved to Kazimierz, a district of Kraków, that used to be a Jewish commune of which the only things left now are synagogues and memories, often painful. He found an apartment with a view on the synagogue. - ‘Back then I had thought this was the most beautiful place on Earth’ - he says - ‘after some time I understood that the place is indeed beautiful, but not for its today’s residents’. [...]
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Post by uncltim on May 19, 2009 5:02:46 GMT 1
Besides, you American people (well, SOME of you) have some strange trait In the other forum I just read how a well traveled, intelligent American explains to 'non-native English speakers' the meaning of an Ancient Greek word, which was incorporated into European languages long before Cristopher Columbus learned how to sail.... And now you...
We have A Lot of strange traits!
Well traveled, intelligent American..... No such thing exists. You know that.
non-native English speakers' the meaning of an Ancient Greek word. I am unsure of the word in question. It is late and I have been traveling for the last three days. Sorting through the other forum is tedious and I tire easily. Give me a hint!
Admittedly, We Yanks tend to do as we please with regard to language. Arguing the intricacies of language with us is like pissing in an ocean of piss. It ends up making no difference.
-Tim
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Post by tufta on May 19, 2009 8:37:44 GMT 1
We have A Lot of strange traits! Yes, for instance some of you have this strange sense of autoironic humour which so much resembles ours ;D ;D ;D The word explained was onomatopeia! |
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Post by tufta on May 19, 2009 8:45:35 GMT 1
Hmm, what about if the owner had hosted tourists from Israel before and they had demolished her hotel? Is it possible she decided not to put up any Jews, no matter where they come from?
Then, it would be a straightforward act of.. nonsense (I don't want to use a stronger and more specific word) don't you think so? A straightforward negative generalization towards the whole confesional (or cultural) group based on behaviour of some (very particular) representants. |
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Post by Bonobo on May 19, 2009 9:07:37 GMT 1
Hmm, what about if the owner had hosted tourists from Israel before and they had demolished her hotel? Is it possible she decided not to put up any Jews, no matter where they come from?
Then, it would be a straightforward act of.. nonsense (I don't want to use a stronger and more specific word) don't you think so? A straightforward negative generalization towards the whole confesional (or cultural) group based on behaviour of some (very particular) representants. You are absolutely right. Just checking if you are aware of certain things. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by tufta on May 19, 2009 11:35:46 GMT 1
Just checking if you are aware of certain things. ;D ;D ;D Bo, that was absolutely clear right from the beginning! |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 5, 2022 17:05:24 GMT 1
Not quite Polish news indeed but I found it so incredible and shocking that I wanted to share it. ' No Jews' policy employed at Austria hotelIt seems the case of the antisemitic hotel was just the first swallow which made a spring. www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/austria-witnesses-surge-in-anti-semitic-incidents/www.reuters.com/world/europe/austrian-anti-semitism-incidents-hit-record-2020-report-says-2021-04-26/
Austrian anti-Semitism incidents hit record in 2020, report says
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VIENNA, April 26 (Reuters) - Anti-Semitism incidents in Austria rose last year to the highest level since the Jewish community's official records began 19 years ago, with protests against coronavirus restrictions helping to fuel the rise, a report showed on Monday.
The number of reported incidents, which range from online abuse to physical attacks, increased by 6.4% in 2020 to 585, the Anti-Semitism Reporting Office of the body that officially represents Austria's Jews, the Jewish Community of Vienna (IKG), said in an annual report that showed a rising trend continuing.
The two months with the most incidents were November and December, when protests against coronavirus restrictions gained momentum, though the office also launched a public awareness campaign in November that might have increased the number of cases reported.
"The protests against the government's coronavirus measures also left their mark, leading to a strong increase in anti-Semitic incidents," the report said. Those incidents mainly involved Holocaust relativisation and spreading anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, it added.
The generally unauthorised protests against issues including lockdowns and face-masks have been attended by a mixed crowd whose allegiances are often difficult to determine, though they have included conspiracy theorists and neo-Nazis.
The report said some protesters wore yellow stars of David like those the Nazis made Jews wear in an attempt to suggest those who oppose restrictions were being persecuted as Jews were during the Holocaust.
Although the lines between categories are often blurred, it identified 42 incidents as related to the coronavirus.
Breaking all incidents down by associated ideology, the biggest category was right-wing with 229, followed by "not possible to assign" with 195.
Abusive behaviour, including online abuse, accounted for 62% of incidents. The only category in which incidents did not increase was property damage. Physical attacks were 2% of the total, or 11 incidents, up from six in 2019.
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