Violence at football stadiums

[Bonobo]

A big scandal arose when Serbian radical football fans started spectacular riots during their national team`s match in Italy. The Italian security/police proved rather helpless and the match was broken.

Polish extreme fans can be also very aggressive and violent. Basic gear which the police usually finds on frisked fans is this:



Do such things happen at any sport events in your countries?

If yes, how is it dealt with?

If not, why?

Serbian rioters















Sixteen people were hospitalised after Serbian fans clashed with Italian police following the cancellation of their Euro 2012 qualifying match in Genoa, northern Italy.

In violence before, during, and after the match, some Serbian fans targeted Italian fans, local police and their own team's goalkeeper.

Police made 17 arrests, Ansa news agency reported, citing officials.

Serbian fans scaled fences inside the Stadio Luigi Ferraris, which was the scene of the Republic of Ireland's penalty shoot-out victory over Romania in the 1990 World Cup.

The fans' actions delayed the kick-off and finally forced the fixture to be abandoned.

Buses carrying Serbian fans were later escorted out of the city by police to avoid further clashes with Italian fans.

Officers seized sticks, metal bars and knives from the Serbian fans, as well as a bag carrying large explosive fireworks.

The most seriously injured in the violence was a member of the Italian national police force, who was rushed to hospital after an explosive device detonated in his face.

A Serbian fan also suffered facial injuries.

Last night's match was abandoned just six minutes in, after Italy's goalkeeper was hit by a flare.

After the game, in the early hours of this morning, Italian police kept Serbian fans hemmed into a gated parking area, intending to release them in small groups to waiting buses.

The clashes started when some of the fans managed to break out and police in riot gear moved to try to get them under control.

The violence brought sharp condemnation from Italy and Serbia.

Serbia has long had serious problems with violent football fans, many of whom are linked to ultra-nationalist organisations.

The head of Serbia's football association, Tomislav Karadzic, has described the behaviour as scandalous.

Mr Karadzic said the ringleaders of the violence were in Belgrade and it amounted to an attack against the state, which the state had to resolve.

'The whole of Europe saw the disgrace and shame brought upon Serbia by fans who have kept us under siege in our hotel for two days,' Mr Karadzic told Belgrade's B92 television after the rioting.

'We had information these fans would come here with the intention to force the game to be abandoned and we notified the Italian authorities.

'It's up to the Serbian government now to launch a swift investigation and establish who recruited these young men to come here and riot because this is an act of aggression which goes beyond football.'

See the news report
www.rte.ie/news/2010/1013/italy_serbia.html

[valpomike]

If they were Germans, they would had guns, and if they were Russians, they would have shot down the plane, to win.

Mike

[pjotr]

Hooliganism was introduced in the Netherlands during a notorious football match between Feijenoord and Spurs in 1974. Today there are a dousn clubs with notorious Hooligans. Dutch Hooligans are feared inside and outside the Netherlands. Dutch Hooligans caused trouble in Germany, France, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden and other countries.

The Most notorious Hooligans come from Amsterdam (Ajax: F-side Hooligans), Feijenoord (Rotterdam Hooligans of SCF), the Ado Den Haag Hooligans (The Hague football club; the most crazy and dangerous amongst the Hooligans, real lunatics), and the Hooligans of FC Utrecht, FC Den Bosch, Twente, Groningen, Arnhem, Nijmegen, Breda and etc.


Feijenoord Hooligan with Feijenoord hard core Hooligan initials tatoed on his fingers.









A notorious gang of Hooligans is of FC Twente in Eastern-Netherlands
at the German border fighting with French Hooligans and the police:


Hooliganism in the Netherlands is a dangerous mix or cocktail of what I call City Nationalism and love and loyalty to the fooball club of that city, hatred of other football clubs, worship and use of exessive violence, together with the use of a lot of drugs and alcohol. These Hooligan thugs become like animals, inhuman extremist monsters who do not stop until the oponent is heavily wounded or sometimes dead, like in the Case of Ajax Hooligan of the old hard core Carlo Picorni. As a normal traveller I sat in a train with majorities of Hooligans. And that weren't pleasent journeys. The tactics of Hooligans of today is to meet oponents outside stadiums on secret spots to battle. Because stadiums are heavily protected by gates, fences, camera's, stewards, police officers in civilian clothes, uniformed police and riot police.



You saw Arnhem Vitesse fans escorted out of Nijmegen, because the fans of Nijmegens NEC hate the fans of the neighbour city Arnhem. This is a traditional rivalry between the two main Gelderland province cities in the East of the Netherlands. If I would walk with a Vitesse (Arnhem footballclub) t-shirt in Nijmegen, that would be suïcidal. It is like wearing Ajax F-side (Amsterdam) signs in The Hague or Rotterdam.
The hatred towards the Amsterdam Hooligans and Ajax by Hooligans of other clubs is like the hatred of Nazi's towards jews or Russians, or the rivalry between Israeli's and Palestinians. If nothing changes more Dutch hooligans will die and more Dutch police officers will be heavily wounded.

Because Ajax fans are called jews a favorite slogan of Hooligans of other clubs is the anti-semitic slogan "Hamas Hamas, Jews to the gas".

Ajax Amsterdam Hooligans have the song, "Bombs on Rotterdam", praising the German bombardment of Rotterdam of their main rival Feijenoord Rotterdam:

[pjotr]

Rotterdam

[pjotr]

So Duch fans are as terrible as Serbian, Italian, German, Polish, Czech, Russian and British Hooligans. I saw documentries, movies and read articles about the Notorious Polish firms (=Hooligan gangs). The behavior of the Polish Hooligans, their violence, hatred of the other Polish clubs and extremism is the same! There is in my opinion no differance between Polish and Dutch Hooliganism.

Like in the Netherlands phenomena like Hooliganism and Skiheads are comming from Great Brittain, where it started.

[pjotr]

[pjotr]

Bonobo,

Many Dutch people, ordinairy soccer fans are very annoyed and fed up with the Hooliganism. Families, normal football fans, football clubs, cities and police forces are fed up with the unsafety, the Hijacking of football by violent Hooligans and Hooliganism. In fact a lot of football Hooligans can't go to their own clubs stadium, because they have a prohibition or House arrest (electronic detention in their own house). Other Hooligans are deliberately followed by police in an awkward way 24 hours a day! The roles have changed in that perspective, the Police is annoying the Hooligans instaid of the Hooligans the police. The Dutch riot police (ME) has experiance with Hooliganism and squater riots for three decades! The ME is experianced, hardened, innovative and very close monitoring the Hooligan scene, with undercover agents, police intelligence, and in cooperation with the German, Belgian, British, Polish and other police forces. The police forces of these countries exchange information about eachother notorious Hooligan gangs, because Hooliganism has become a part of their criminal practice and investigations, because murder, mutilation, organised crime (gangs with arms with the intent to hurt or kill members of the other gang) are part of Hooliganism.

And Polish Hooligans are taken very serious by the German, Dutch, Belgian and French police for instance, because they are equally dangerous as the British, Italian, Serb and home grown, domestic Hooligans. There were documentries about the Polish Hooligans and Hooligans, Polish violent Skin Heads and etc. The Dutch Police, Attorney general and Hooligans know what is coming at them when Crakowia, Wisla, Legia Warsaw or Lech Poznan is comming to play against Feijenoord, Ajax, PSV (Eindhoven), Vitesse, NEC, FC Twente, FC Utrecht or FC Groningen. In that case the smaller Dutch firms (hard core Hooligans) will prepare themselves. Sometimes when larger foreign firms visit a Dutch club alliances of Hooligan firms can exist. For instance FC Twente gets the support of Feijenoord, NEC and FC Utrecht Hooligans in a fight against the larger Bayern Munchen, Arsenal or Legia Warsaw/ Crakovia. Hooligans of several clubs (firms) are connected by mobile phone/SMS, eachothers hard core firm websites.

In the comming years the danger is that the Hooligan firms get more trained by the many battles they have, the recession (more unemployed, more frustration, more free time for training, more drugs like cocaïne and speed),
their improving organisation and battle skills ( I am sure the Dutch Hooligans have seen the video's or series about the Polish firms and they will learn from it, they always do. They are fascinated by violence, agression and the other foreign Hooligans. They see documentries about them, film their oponents to learn about their tactics and strategies,
and document hem). The strange thing about Hooliganism in the Netherlands is that the firms are not only built of working class "heroes" and unemployed, but also of intellectuals, academics, students, people from the Middle class and etc. People fascinated and loving streetbattles, the adrenaline, the agression, the violence, the smoke, the blood, the pain inflicted on others (the sadistic or cruel aspect of it). Listen to the Polish Hooligans of Cracovia and Wisla and your hear Feijenoord and Ajax Hooligans. Their mentality, proud, social codes and hatred and obsession with the oponent is the same. The only differance is that hard drugs play a dangerous role in the Dutch Hooligan scene.
Mind you that the American marines used cocaïne in their battles against the German Waffen SS and Wehrmacht in the second world war and you can imagine how dangerous these Hooligans are. When they are with 100 or 1000 men!

Pieter

[pjotr]

Amsterdam Police arrestes hard core Ajax supporters



Friday during a major operation the Police arrested several members of the hard core of Ajax supporters in Amsterdam. The Police declared after a report in the NRC Handelsblad saturday. The fans are suspected to be members of a criminal organization, drug trafficking and violence.

A Police spokeswoman expected more arrests coming period. Half a year ago The police began an investigation into alleged criminal activities of fanatical Ajax supporters.

[uncltim]

We have nothing like this hooliganism here.

[pjotr]

Nov 27, 2010 23:44:55 GMT 1 uncltim said:

We have nothing like this hooliganism here.

Thank God! God bless America!

[Bonobo]

Nov 27, 2010 23:44:55 GMT 1 uncltim said:

We have nothing like this hooliganism here.

That is bad.

When hools are allowed to let some steam off, fighting with each other and the police, there is less crime in streets, generally. You don`t have hooliganism, but crime rate in US cities is soaring.

[uncltim]

The hools are on the playing field here.

In general, Sporting events in the US are friendly events where you may encounter some good natured "trash talk"or mild insults. You are much more likely to be fed and made drunk by the opposing teams fans. Remember that if I'm walking down the street with my friends and you choose to beat one of them because of his team affiliation, I am perfectly within my rights to shoot you to death. Thats a strong deterent for being foolishly violent in the states.

Urban crime has always been high in the states, It has actually been declining for a decade or so.

[pjotr]

Nov 28, 2010 15:25:03 GMT 1 Bonobo said:

Nov 27, 2010 23:44:55 GMT 1 uncltim said:

We have nothing like this hooliganism here.

That is bad.

When hools are allowed to let some steam off, fighting with each other and the police, there is less crime in streets, generally. You don`t have hooliganism, but crime rate in US cities is soaring.

I would say, built special arena's next to Football stadiums for Hooligan battles, like in the Roman empire era, with tribunes for people who prefer hooligan battles over football. You could place video screens there so that the public can follow the footballmach in the real stadium in the same time. ;D

Ajax vs Feijenoord ;D

[Bonobo]

Nov 28, 2010 22:14:44 GMT 1 uncltim said:

I am perfectly within my rights to shoot you to death.

Why such radical steps? Wouldn`t it be enough to shoot me in the leg or two so that I can`t move? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thats a strong deterent for being foolishly violent in the states.

Yes, that is logical.

Urban crime has always been high in the states, It has actually been declining for a decade or so.

Guliani? ;D ;D ;D

[pjotr]

Is a storm brewing in Europe?

By Billy Briggs

On platform one at Bolton train station in England a mob of about 100 men punch the air in unison as a chant - "Muslim bombers, off our streets!'' - goes up. Their voices echo loudly, and as more men suddenly appear, startled passengers move aside. The protesters wave St George's Cross flags - the red and white English national emblem - and raise placards. Some wear balaclavas, others black-hooded tops. There is an air of menace.


St George's Cross flag

These are some of the most violent football hooligans in Britain and today they have joined in an unprecedented show of strength. Standing shoulder to shoulder are notorious gangs such as Cardiff City's Soul Crew, Bolton Wanderers' Cuckoo Boys and Luton Town's Men In Gear: a remarkable gathering given that on a match day these men would be fighting each other. But today they are not here for football; it is politics that has drawn them. Their destination is Manchester to support a protest by the newly formed English Defence League.


Supporters of the English Defence League

The police are here in force, too. "Take that mask off," barks a sergeant to one young man. The man does so immediately but retorts: "Why are they allowed to wear burqas in public but we're not allowed to cover our faces?" The sergeant snaps back: ''Just do what you're told."



A man with a West Country accent standing next to me says: "It's always the fxxxxx' same these days. One rule for them and another for us. I'm sick of this fxxxxx' country." He draws on a cigarette before flicking it to the ground in disgust. He starts to complain again, but when the public address system announces the arrival of the train to Manchester Piccadilly, he raises his hands above his head and starts another football favourite: "Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves ..."

His companions join in singing, and as the train comes to a halt beside the platform the crowd surges forward. The carriages are almost full, so the men pack into aisles followed by police speaking into radios. A group of young men drinking beer at a table eye the protesters warily, but one protester wearing a baseball cap notices their fear and reassures them. "It's all right lads, nothing to worry about. We're protesting against radical Islam. Come and join us," he says, and as the train draws nearer to Manchester, the singing starts again. "Eng-e-land, Eng-e-land, Eng-e-land ..." the men sing rowdily. The English Defence League is in town.

A ready-made army?

The league seemed to spring from nowhere in 2009, but since its formation the far-right movement has held major protests in nearly all of Britain's cities. Although it claims to be a peaceful group, violence has erupted at most league demonstrations, with its supporters fighting on the streets against police, Muslim youths and a group called Unite Against Fascism, an umbrella organisation consisting mainly of students and trade unionists and formed in 2003 to oppose the far-right. During the fighting hundreds of people have been arrested, weapons have been seized and city centres have been brought to a standstill.

Britain has not witnessed such street violence for many years and there are growing fears that the league - despite its official multiracial stance - has become a ready-made army for neo-Nazis who for years have operated underground and that tensions will erupt resulting in major disorder.

All mainstream political parties in Britain have criticised the league, including John Denham, the former communities secretary, who compared the group to Oswald Mosley's Union of British Fascists, which ran amok in London during the 1930s.

Tinderbox northern towns such as Bradford and Oldham - which witnessed race riots in 2001 - have been among the league's targets this year and a countrywide police team set up to combat domestic extremism, the National Extremism Tactical Co-ordination Unit, has been investigating the movement.

I had met members of the league for the first time in a derelict building in Luton, near London, three weeks before the Manchester rally. They had agreed to talk on the condition that I did not identify them. Eleven men turned up. All wore balaclavas and most had black league hoodies with ''Luton Division'' on the back. A man using the pseudonym Tommy Robinson did most of the talking and explained the movement's background.

"For more than a decade now, there's been tension in Luton between Muslim youths and whites. We all get on fine - black, white, Indian, Chinese - everyone does, in fact, apart from some Muslim youths who've become extremely radicalised since the first Gulf War. Preachers of hate such as Anjem Choudary have been recruiting for radical Islamist groups in Luton for years. Our government does nothing, so we decided we'd start protesting against radical Islam, and it grew from there," he said.


Anjem Choudary

With Islam Europe's fastest-growing religion - Muslim populations are projected to expand rapidly in coming decades - the group's fear that traditional British culture is under threat have been exacerbated.

Robinson could barely conceal his anger as he described radical Muslims protesting as the Royal Anglican regiment paraded through the town on its return from Afghanistan in May 2009. Following the incident, he and others set up a group called United People of Luton. After linking up with a Birmingham-based group called British Citizens Against Muslim Extremists and a group calling itself Casuals United, they realised there was potential for a national movement. Robinson said members wore balaclavas to protect their identities because league members had been targeted by Muslim extremists.

But although the league publicly espouses peaceful protest, there is growing concern over its secrecy and quasi-paramilitary appearance - as well as some of its membership. According to the international anti-fascist magazine Searchlight, far-right British National Party activists and other fascist extremists are at the core of the league. The publication's allegations have been backed by a former league member called Paul Ray who claimed that the group had been hijacked by the anti-immigration British National Party.

Then there is Casuals United. The group came to the fore about the time the English Defence League was formed. An unprecedented alliance of football hooligans, it was the brainchild of Jeff Marsh, a member of Cardiff City's Soul Crew who has been convicted three times for violent offences. This included a two-year jail sentence for stabbing Manchester United fans. Marsh has now taken a back seat, so the public face of Casuals United is fellow Welshman and Soul Crew member Mickey Smith.

Casuals United makes full use of modern communications and uses social networking websites such as Facebook to organise the 50 or so gangs that have been recruiting members around Britain. Other neo-Nazi groups, including the British People's Party and the British Freedom Fighters, have also participated in league protests, despite their opposition to the league's multiracial position.

A 'perfect storm'?

The high command of the league is much more astute than its foot soldiers, however, and distances itself from violence. In a Covent Garden pub I meet a computer expert from London called Alan Lake who runs a website called Four Freedoms. Last summer he contacted the league and offered to fund and advise the movement.

His aim, he says, is to unite the "thinkers" and those prepared to take to the streets. He describes this marriage as "the perfect storm coming together," adding that street violence is not desirable but perhaps inevitable. "There are issues when you are dealing with football thugs - but what can we do?"

He strongly criticises fascist organisations, however, and says that one of his conditions for backing the movement is that it does not associate with far-right groups. "There are different groups infiltrating and trying to cause rifts by one means or another, or trying to waylay the organisation to different agendas. The intention is to exclude those groups and individuals."

But while some league leaders may oppose fascism, there are others who seem to have no problem with extremism. At league protests in Swansea, Wales, skinheads chanted British National Party slogans and raised Nazi salutes. In Northern Ireland, according to Searchlight, loyalists have started an Ulster Defence League, backed by the former paramilitary group the Ulster Defence Association, while in Scotland, the hooligan Inter City Firm attached to Rangers football club helped set up a Scottish Defence League.

At an EDL protest in the city of Leicester, the movement's supporters pelted police officers with bottles, cans, bricks and coins resulting in 17 arrests. One police officer suffered a broken leg.

The EDL protest garnered the largest police deployment in Leicestershire since the miners' strike 25 years ago. Police deployed 1,400 officers from 12 forces to deal with around 1,000 EDL supporters and a counter demo of around 700 anti-fascists.


Some of the most violent football hooligans in Britain head towards Manchester to support a march by the burgeoning English Defence League (EDL), while a woman dressed in a black hijab appears intimidated

During the demo, the International Arts Centre Fabrika had to be evacuated, with journalists and staff making their escape through the back entrance as EDL protesters attempted to break into the building and smashed windows. The Leicester Mercury, a local newspaper, reported that there were also confrontations between the protesters and a group of Asian and black men in the Humberstone Road area, near St Matthew's, with pockets of fighting.

What is concerning many people in Britain is that the movement is becoming more organised and stronger and feeding off growing Islamaphobia. With its anti-Islam stance, the EDL has been gaining support from abroad. Pamela Gellar, the woman leading the protest against the Islamic centre near Ground Zero in New York, has backed the movement and EDL members were welcomed when they flew to the US to oppose the Muslim community's plans on the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.


Pamela Gellar

Leader Robinson was refused entry at JFK airport, however, and taken into custody and flown straight back to the UK.

Support has also come from Europe and on October 30, the EDL joined forces with the newly formed French and Dutch Defence Leagues at an event in Amsterdam. The meeting, organised by the European Freedom Initiative, was promoted as a demonstration for freedom and in opposition to Sharia. It was planned to coincide with the end of Dutch politician Geert Wilders' trial for hate speech and inciting racism.

The fears are, however, that European cities could soon be witnessing the widespread violence being experienced in Britain.

[uncltim]

Bo, there is a difference between popping somebody in the nose, and giving somebody a beating. The simple knowledge that anyone you choose to mess with on the street here can send you home in a bag is the reason people dont mess with you here. Urban centers sometimes have laws against carrying a weapon, they are the most dangerous areas because the criminals know their victims will be unarmed.

Peter, I find it ironic that sports teams which are designed to placate the competitive/violent nature of the human male have turned into a quasi-native political movement! Thats pretty funny actually! In typical British girl thingy fashion, They'll promptly ban sports teams. I'm personally glad that indigenous brits have finally exerted themselves. (Within reason of course)

[justine26]

The photos here are shocking. I think it is absurd to fight and even kill each other for the sports club. These people are not sports fans but hooligans. What they do has nothing in common with sport. They go to matches not to enjoy the game but to fight people supprting the rival team. They got everything wrong. They forgot the real meaning of sport and the fair play. What they do is a real crime.

[Bonobo]

Jan 14, 2011 18:16:54 GMT 1 justine26 said:

The photos here are shocking. I think it is absurd to fight and even kill each other for the sports club. These people are not sports fans but hooligans. What they do has nothing in common with sport. They go to matches not to enjoy the game but to fight people supprting the rival team. They got everything wrong. They forgot the real meaning of sport and the fair play. What they do is a real crime.

Yes, exactly. Did you hear that they slaughtered a man in Krakow yesterday? Well, some drugs were probably involved too.



In what was thought to be a gruesome football hooligan related murder in Krakow, when a man was hacked to death yesterday by a gang of men with machetes, could be connected to gangland rivalry, say police.

Detectives in Krakow detained five men last night in the wake of one of the most brutal murders in the southern Polish city in years.

A little after 10 o’clock yesterday morning, Ryszard C. (name withheld under Polish privacy laws), a well-known supporter of the Cracovia football team, was ambushed while driving his silver Audi through the outlying district of Kurdwanow.

According to witnesses, a number of masked men pursued the fleeing man, who attempted to hide in a rubbish tip. A frenzied attack ensued, with the victim hacked repeatedly with machetes.

It is thought that as many as 20 men were involved in the killing.

The local branch of the Gazeta Wyborcza daily reports that Ryszard C., who died while being taken to hospital in an ambulance, was barely recognizable when found.

Initially it was thought that the attack was related to ‘ultras’ who follow the Cracovia team, one of Poland’s oldest soccer teams, which has longstanding and intense rivalries with several clubs, chiefly Wisla, another Krakow-based team, and to a lesser degree Legia Warszawa from the capital.

Police now think, however, that the murder could be related to organized crime drug wars.

[pjotr]

Rival hooligans: sworn enemies but partners in crime


Match Ajax-Feijenoord, wednesday Januari 19 2011, Amsterdam

Amsterdam is using the Netherlands’ new anti-hooliganism legislation to launch a serious clampdown on hardcore troublemakers who support the city’s football heroes Ajax.

Mayor Eberhard van der Laan says the hooligans are becoming more involved in crime, even joining forces with rival hooligans in the drug trade.

Ten hooligans are already under strict surveillance and have to report to a police station during all Ajax matches. They are also banned from Amsterdam’s city centre or the vicinity of matches involving Ajax or the Dutch national team in groups of more than three. This is an unusually drastic measure for the Netherlands, where freedom of association is held in high regard.

In an interview with Amsterdam’s local TV channel AT5, the Mayor acknowledges the harshness of the penalty.

"Yes, it’s a tough measure. But these are tough problems for our city. And it’s our responsibility to counter their impact."

Harassment

The Mayor has announced in the Dutch media that a police investigation is ongoing against the hardcore Ajax hooligans. The possible charges against them include harassing and even threatening the club’s board, accusations which have been countered by Ajax’s Managing Director Rik van den Boog.

The hooligans have also been accused of involvement in the drug trade, in cahoots with rivals from other football clubs. Club affiliation would appear to be taking a back seat to business interests.

Stamping out violence

Late last November, eight Ajax supporters were arrested on suspicion of drug trading and membership of a criminal organisation. Seven of them are still in custody. Similar investigations are underway among the supporters of FC Utrecht and in the city of Enschede, home to reigning league champions FC Twente.

In the Netherlands as a whole, police are keeping a close watch on over 300 known football hooligans. The aim is to stamp out football-related violence once and for all, an area in which the English have made considerable progress.

'Colonels'

The stadium ban and ban on associating in groups are the first measures to be taken on the basis of new anti-hooliganism legislation that came into force in the Netherlands on 1 October 2010, and which foresees far-reaching measures against troublemakers. The young men who have fallen foul of the law to date are expected to take their case to court. But the Mayor of Amsterdam is convinced he will win the day:

"If I didn’t believe that, I would never have authorised these measures. It will be up to the judges to decide if we have built a decent enough case."

Mr Van der Laan explains that the ten already banned are not so much notoriously violent themselves, but egg on other hooligans. “They are the 'colonels' - young men who don’t usually pick up a stone themselves but who incite others to do so,” the mayor told Dutch daily nrc.next.

Any excuse

Two of the ten deny any involvement with the violent incidents of which the
Amsterdam authorities are accusing them. They reject any suggestion that they are hooligan ringleaders. One of them told AT5 (Amsterdam tv station) anonymously

"It just looks like they’re out to get all of us, whether you’ve done something wrong or not. Any excuse will do. Even if all you do is turn up to see Ajax play."

The ban comes at a bad time for the ten alleged ringleaders. Wednesday, four-time European Champions Ajax met their archrivals Feyenoord in the Dutch Premier League. Feyenoord have lifted the European trophy once in their history, but their years of European glory are far behind them and financial woes have seen the club fall on relatively hard times in recent years. But the club’s hooligans, like those of Ajax, are still doing their best to retain a fearsome reputation.

[Bonobo]

Football hooligans do battle in Krakow suburb
19.06.2011
One man has been injured after a fight between football hooligans in the Nowa Huta suburb of Krakow, southern Poland.

According to police reports, a group of around a dozen men wielding clubs, knives, and machetes, started the fight in the late hours of Saturday night.

After police were called to the scene, one man, aged 20, was found to be severely injured. He has since been taken to hospital and “is in good condition,” Katarzyna Padlo from Krakow Police told TVN24 news.

No information has been given on the perpetrators of the attack, although police have begun an enquiry into Saturday’s brawl.

[pjotr]

It starts at 2.40
tegenlicht.vpro.nl/afleveringen/2011-2012/aanvalluh.html

[pjotr]

Tufta and Bo,

I am always interested in documentries about Poland which arrive every now and then on the Dutch, Belgian and German television. But I am always warry of stereotypical images, distortions and political or cultural motivations of the makers/producers. That is my journalistic alertness or critical approach.

In this case I doubt the realism of the Polish commentator (in English). They compare Polish Hooligans with Solidarnosc, say that Poland is not entirely free and that Katyn is not widely recognised. I seriously doubt it. We know that football Hooliganism is a problem in Poland like in other countries, and that some of these Hooligans are Polish Patriots or Nationalists. That they go to church is not a suprise to me, because most Poles are catholic. But with this documentry Dutch viewers might think that the Polish church stands behind the Polish Hooligans.

The situation in Ukraine is shown by the English speaking Polish journalist as well.

Cheers,
Pieter

P.S.- Tufta was critical about a previous documentry made by this Polish journalist, which I posted here. I think he was right. There was a lot of exaggeration in that documentry too.

[tufta]

Hi Pjotr.
Here is (in Polish though) a note about the film you have posted.

natemat.pl/13573,kibole-jak-solidarnosc-a-staruch-to-wiezien-polityczny-szokujacy-dokument-o-polsce-w-holenderskiej-telewizji


And another one about BBC's (apparently as one one-sided) documentary

jakubkrupa.natemat.pl/16389,bbc-sprawdzilo-polske-przed-euro-i-nie-zostawilo-suchej-nitki

Hope you'll manage with the translator and enjoy.

[Bonobo]

Amazing case of racism in Czechia. During a hockey match, some fans tried to abuse their opponents by shouting "Polish Jews" at them. Their club is located near the Polish border and that was enough to provoke the "abuse."

www.onet.pl/sport/onetsport/hokej-okrzyki-polscy-zydzi-podczas-hitowego-meczu-czeskiej-ekstraklasy/2f4vsp1,d87b6cc4