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Post by grammyk on Oct 17, 2008 0:37:50 GMT 1
Here in the U.S.A., men kiss the women's ass. Just a joke, don't get upset. Mike That's how it should be!  |
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Post by valpomike on Oct 17, 2008 15:51:11 GMT 1
And has been told, they even kiss other parts of a women's body. Don't ask.
Mike
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Post by jeanne on Oct 18, 2008 1:57:35 GMT 1
Yes, correct. I kiss women`s hands because I belong to the older generation. The last time was on Monday. I kissed the hand of a teacher whom I jokingly congratulated on the coming Teacher`s Day. Later, seriously, I kissed my headmistress`s hand after she handed me a diploma for my pedagogical work (the money prize had been handed to my bank account earlier in the morning). Well, well, well, Bonobo!!! Congratulations on winning the prize! I love how you modestly and casually slipped mention of it into this thread. ;D ;D ;D Good job, you pedagogue, you!!! |
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Post by gigi on Oct 21, 2008 15:37:27 GMT 1
Men & Women know how Men Polish woman are quite emancipated. They are used to burden with everything themselves, while their husbands were on the war, took part in uprisings, were locked up in jails. Today they have to play roles of businesswoman, housewives etc. Although they already took over men’s posts, they won’t admit they do without a man’s “strong shoulder”, and in man’s behavior towards them they still value chivalry. While being in men’s company they like to be treated as more privileged or even weaker ones. Opening the doors, letting the woman go first is something obligatory and common. Kissing woman in the hand might be a bit old-fashioned. However, your polish girlfriend’s grandmother would be “on cloud nine” when you show her respect in such a way. When inviting a woman for dinner, to the cinema or theater man should take more cash than he would spend when being alone. Three times as much should be enough. Women If you are from Germany or countries that went through emancipation movement be prepared for a small cultural shock. Sometimes you may have an impression that you are not taken seriously by a man, only because you are a woman. When going into discussion with a man, do not try to prove that you have a greater knowledge or prevail intellectually over him. Men love to dominate (sometimes it is unconscious) and woman should only look up to their wisdom. Of course it depends on relation between you and your interlocutor. Man would very often appreciate your “brain-flexibility” and enjoy highly-intellectual conversation very much. Thus you don’t have to pretend naiveness all the time, unless you are interested in more intimate relationship. However dating with a typical polish gentlemen is a real pleasure. He will knock at your door with a rose, take you to a restaurant, won’t let pay the bill and assist you on your way back home. But be sure that you are dealing with a real gentleman. Chivalry is unfortunately in decline. www.swps.edu.pl Very interesting information... |
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 21, 2008 22:06:07 GMT 1
Men & Women know how Polish woman are quite emancipated. They are used to burden with everything themselves, while their husbands were on the war, took part in uprisings, were locked up in jails. Some are emancipated, some aren`t. If a man is afraid of taking responsibility in marriage and doesn`t mind his wife wearing trousers/pants, he will certainly find a proper partner. If he prefers to be the head of the family who decides about things, there are millions of women ready and happy to rest this responsibility on him. Yes, it is considered obvious in Poland while in America it would be looked upon as sexist, I mean treating women as a weak sex. It is expected that the man pays on the first date. Normal here... Naturally, I don`t take women seriously. They are like big kids ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D hahahahahahhaha Even bigger than men ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It is the worst thing a woman can do, especially when she is wrong but tries to sound right anyway. Vide: freetube in the old forum. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It is fully conscious for me... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Female unassuming unpretencious wisdom is most valuable.... Of course. Naivety entails intimacy? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It is like heaven. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D True. The knights are slowly dying out.... However, there is still one in Krakow and another one in Warsaw. ...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by gigi on Oct 22, 2008 0:57:59 GMT 1
Men & Women know how Polish woman are quite emancipated. They are used to burden with everything themselves, while their husbands were on the war, took part in uprisings, were locked up in jails. Some are emancipated, some aren`t. If a man is afraid of taking responsibility in marriage and doesn`t mind his wife wearing trousers/pants, you will certainly find a proper partner. If he prefers to be the head of the family who decides about things, there are millions of women ready and happy to rest this responsibility on him.  While being in men’s company they like to be treated as more privileged or even weaker ones. Opening the doors, letting the woman go first is something obligatory and common. Yes, it is considered obvious in Poland while in America it would be looked upon as sexist, I mean treating women as a weak sex. When inviting a woman for dinner, to the cinema or theater man should take more cash than he would spend when being alone. Three times as much should be enough! It is expected that the man pays on the first date. Normal here... ;D Sometimes you may have an impression that you are not taken seriously by a man, only because you are a woman. Naturally, I don`t take women seriously. They are like big kids ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D When going into discussion with a man, do not try to prove that you have a greater knowledge or prevail intellectually over him. It is the worst thing a woman can do, especially when she is wrong but tries to sound right anyway. Vide: freetube in the old forum. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Men love to dominate (sometimes it is unconscious) It is fully conscious for me... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Of course it depends on relation between you and your interlocutor. Man would very often appreciate your “brain-flexibility” and enjoy highly-intellectual conversation very much. Of course.  Thus you don’t have to pretend naiveness all the time, unless you are interested in more intimate relationship. Naivety entails intimacy? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  However dating with a typical polish gentlemen is a real pleasure. It is like heaven. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  He will knock at your door with a rose, take you to a restaurant, won’t let pay the bill and assist you on your way back home. But be sure that you are dealing with a real gentleman. Chivalry is unfortunately in decline. True. The knights are slowly dying out.... However, there is still one in Krakow and another one in Warsaw. ...... . ..who are both chivalrous, and yet do not feel threatened by the brain flexibility of female forum members. |
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 22, 2008 18:20:50 GMT 1
There is a third choice...where both partners take responsibility equally. Ooops, it has never occured to me! hahahahaha Why? I believe in one-man-leadership. Like in the army. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sharing responsibility means no one is responsible. I don't personally mind having the door opened for me! Good. Here`s the door which I open for you:  It is often the case here as well, though probably less common now with the teens/20-something set. And remember, three times as much money should be enough! ;D Three times... That is probably why I don`t go to dates anymore. I am too mean. Not likely! And our toys are usually far less expensive! ;D ;D Yes. I can't speak to your specific example, but I would agree that if you (female or male) turn out to be wrong about something, it is better to admit it or else just be quiet about it rather than continue to try to pretend you are right. Even worse is to try to belittle the person who is right out of spite. True, not only women do such thjngs. And fully obvious to us... ;D ;D ;D ;D Good. So, you accept the rule of one-man leadership??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Here's a test for this: Call your partner your "interlocutor". If he understands what that means, then ladies - you must decide how much of your intelligence you wish to reveal. But if his face lights up at the mention of the word because he thinks it means he is getting lucky... Hmm, how interlocutor may make a man think he is lucky? Really? How many have you dated? None. Well, actually, a few. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D But I have finished with it! . ..who are both chivalrous, and yet do not feel threatened by the brain flexibility of female forum members. The brain flexibility of our forum`s female members, as well as their delicate manners, friendliness, empathy, sound reason, forbearance and understanding is what we value most and want to come back here again and again after stressful day`s work. |
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Post by gigi on Oct 22, 2008 18:51:12 GMT 1
Even though you are married, you should still go on dates...but with your wife only, of course. Interlocutor...sounds like interlock...which means to become united or joined closely... |
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 22, 2008 19:44:45 GMT 1
Gigi, I am sorry, but instead of quoting your previous post, I clicked modify button and started overwriting it. I am really sorry. Here are my replies to two thoughts of yours which I saved after modifying. Even though you are married, you should still go on dates...but with your wife only, of course. We rarely go because we don`t want to leave children with somebody. I distrust all sorts of nannies and the only grandparent we have is 78 year old grandpa who helps out a lot when it is really necessary (me at work and wife at a doctor, for example). I would never guess that pun... |
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Post by gigi on Oct 22, 2008 20:49:53 GMT 1
Gigi, I am sorry, but instead of quoting your previous post, I clicked modify button and started overwriting it. I am really sorry. ...proof that you are not infallible! ;D ;D Here are my replies to two thoughts of yours which I saved after modifying. Even though you are married, you should still go on dates...but with your wife only, of course. We rarely go because we don`t want to leave children with somebody. I distrust all sorts of nannies and the only grandparent we have is 78 year old grandpa who helps out a lot when it is really necessary (me at work and wife at a doctor, for example). We have never left our children with a sitter either, only with grandparents.  Interlocutor...sounds like interlock...which means to become united or joined closely... I would never guess that pun... It isn't so much a pun, I was only joking that if a man didn't know the meaning of the word 'interlocutor', then he may associate it with a word that sounds similar, such as 'interlock', and hope that it was some kind of slang for... you know...  Btw...here is a repeat of the reply to your last comment: |
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Post by valpomike on Oct 22, 2008 21:02:26 GMT 1
When you take you wife out, it is not a date, it is love, only when you take someone else's wife out is it a date.
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Post by locopolaco on Oct 22, 2008 21:16:27 GMT 1
When you take you wife out, it is not a date, it is love, only when you take someone else's wife out is it a date. Mike oh, it's a date or at least can be. |
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 28, 2008 12:54:34 GMT 1
Here is more from my tour to my guests` places... 1 - The Tower of Pisa! 2 - Looks like the Parthenon....  I'm a bit disappointed that no one in your group wanted to try this interesting pose by the Tower of Pisa. ;D  Yes, guys, we visited Pisa and the Parthenon. It never occured to me to perform such tricks on the tower, even as a joke. I am an old fashioned man who has respect for masterpieces of art. Besides, I am Polish. I don`t support destruction, even humorous. hehehehehe You seem to take it lightly whereas I was dead serious. I would never pretend I am going to cause the collapse of the tower or anything created by human effort. The notion of destruction is alien to my Polish character. Why? Because I am a man of value. Like every Pole. Almost every. Didn`t you read the description of Poles in another thread?
"Culture is a thing that always stays behind," says Joerg Tittel from the Polish Cultural Institute. "Polish culture means hard work. Also, family and personal relationships are very important. It's a far less cynical society than here. We [Poles] are importing old-school notions that history has proven work rather well."
Indeed, one can argue that Poles have brought with them something far more important than just a way with the towel-rail: a no-nonsense ethic that mines a deep nostalgia in Britain for an age of hard-working, Hovis-delivering simplicity. In an age of financial products so complex that even the bankers don't understand them, that outlook is sure to grow more popular still.
"The Polish influx was like importing our parents' generation into today's UK," says Paul Statham, professor of sociology at Bristol University. "It has been about values – a mass arrival of people with traditional values that have been eroded here."
Allied with "a Catholic way of viewing the world, with family and community values at its centre", Prof Statham argues that Poles have effected a "basic cultural trend".
"Simple things like being treated politely in bars and restaurants had all but disappeared before Poles arrived in large numbers to work here. Now that has changed and will remain changed. Britain is changing itself."
So farewell, fair Poles. Thank you for the economy (while we still had one) and the healthcare, and the farmwork. But most of all, thank you for a reminder of the good old days. As the recession bites, they will look better and better. |
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Post by tufta on Oct 28, 2008 15:13:10 GMT 1
You seem to take it lightly whereas I was dead serious. you should have told me straight off! |
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 29, 2008 21:31:57 GMT 1
You seem to take it lightly whereas I was dead serious. you should have told me straight off! Hehehehehehe Sorry, I forgot to add ;D then. |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 17, 2008 18:24:23 GMT 1
Poster called Polonius in polishforums put forward his opinion on some Polish negative traits.
To a lesser extent foreigners, who see only the external trappings, and to a greater extent Poles themselves, mroe intimately familair with the workigns of the Polish psyche, have pointed out theri compatriots' worst flaws. QUite often the following themes recur:
*** Straw-fire enthusiasm (which leads to)
*** A lack of follow-through
***Inability to cooperate with others (everyone wants to do it theri way)
***Emanating from the above are poor organisational skills and coordination, and worst of all:
***distinterested envy (I've got one cow. my neighbour's got three, so I hope two of his die! -- disinterested because it does nto benefit the ill-wisher if his neighbour's cows die))
These are traditonal notions forged over centuries of adversity, partitons, insurrections, culminating in Nazi-Soviet occupation. To what extent are these traits still observable today?
I replied I can agree more or less these traits are still valid today. Some of them, e.g., blatant individualism which hampers cooperation, were discussed here.
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Post by locopolaco on Dec 18, 2008 20:04:47 GMT 1
mr. polonius seem to think that these traits are only visible to the less informed outsiders (foreigners) but i don't agree with that part as i see those same traits myself and in myself sometimes. i also think that my view is true as the responces he got were along the lines of those listed characteristics. |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 21, 2008 15:49:44 GMT 1
Very superstitious. .."
Polish Radio
16.12.2008
In the words of Voltaire, "Superstition is to religion what
astrology is to astronomy: the mad daughter of a wise mother".
Poland, a country famous for its religious fervor, is also a place
where superstition has an equally strong following.
Presented by Roberto Galea.
In my first few months living here, after a short taxi ride, I
noticed that the taxi-driver blew on the crisp twenty-z³oty note I
had just given him. I found that to be very strange, and not wanting
to cause a stir I did not ask why he had done that. It was only a
few weeks later, when speaking to a colleague, did I discover that I
had probably been the driver's first passenger, and the man being
the superstitious type had blown on the first bill he had received
in order to bring him luck.
From that incident I have become fascinated with various practices
which are meant to bring good luck, or if not, at least keep bad
luck out of the door.
Well, obviously there are ones I knew of, like Friday the
thirteenth, and it's bad luck if a black cat crosses your path, but
the number of different practices I have come across while living in
Poland is mind-boggling. I wonder how superstitious individual can
even remember all of them, let alone practice them.
For example, it is a well-known fact that Poles, especially men,
have a penchant for shaking hands. Meeting a friend or colleague
will always be accompanied by a good, firm handshake. Ditto for
leaving. Well, it would be extremely unwise to shake someone's hand if in a doorway – if one person is in one room and the second is in another. Some think that this gesture, albeit friendly, might result in broken ties between the two friends.
Another common one is that Polish women rarely put their bags on the floor. This might seem logical to most, since why one should soil
one's purse? What naivety! The real reason (although some women will not admit it) is that if the bag touches the ground, the owner would lose her money. Or as some versions would have it: it would roll away.
Now some women would strongly declare that they do not believe in such nonsense, but refrain from laying their bags on the floor
nonetheless. The reason (if asked for), might be that one can never
be to sure, and it's better to be safe than sorry.
These are all fun and games, you might think, but in reality some
people take such peculiarities extremely seriously. I suggest that
men never give they opposite sex bunches of flowers containing an
even number of buds. These are strictly reserved for funerals, and
ladies should be given any odd number between three and a thousand and one.
Presents can also be judged superstitiously. A woman should never,
and I insist, never, be given shoes as a token of love. Such
accessories, it is feared, might cause the lady to run away – with
her new shoes. Men, on the other hand should not be given knives or any sharp objects, unless a token price is paid for it by the
receiver. The same goes for an empty wallet and watches. The latter causes time to fly fast, not a positive attribute to any meaningful relationship!
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 25, 2009 20:23:54 GMT 1
Unfortunately, one of negative Polish traits is cheating. It is widespread in schools where students traditionally try to cheat during tests and nobody considers it blameworthy. Polish teachers are accustomed and they take special steps to prevent it. However, foreign teachers who come to Poland to work are shocked. Explanation is here: elt.britcoun.org.pl/elt/forum/code.htm
It is an admitted fact that people in Poland ‘cheat’ rather frequently and with regard to corruption was 45th out of 102 countries (rank one is the least corrupt) - see Corruption Perception Index for some details of the table. In order to understand this fact the author tried to discover why cheating is often tolerated and accepted.
There is a deeply grounded conviction among Polish people that our problems with honesty and cheating are of historical origin. One source of this behaviour might be seen, as presented by a Polish cultural sociologist Żygulski (1975: 221), in Catholic patterns of upbringing. By suggesting a disregard for all earthly property it has not promoted order in social life nor care for one’s rights, as opposed to the Protestant belief that individual development and care for earthly property is a way of promoting one’s future salvation.
Some Poles also think that it might be the famous right of liberum veto (allowing any member of the 17th century Polish Parliament to break a parliamentary discussion for no stated reason) which promoted bad, undemocratic habits among lawmakers. This unfortunate right was one of the reasons for the Polish partitions which lasted for 123 years. During this period people tried to avoid or break the various rules imposed by Russians, Austrians and Prussians who ruled Poland at that time. The same situation happened during communist times after World War II. The communists created laws for Polish people, who then broke them and in this way opposed the foreign power, the Soviet Union.
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Post by valpomike on Jan 26, 2009 0:14:44 GMT 1
Let's blame it on the Russians.
Mike
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Post by jeanne on Jan 28, 2009 2:51:03 GMT 1
There is a deeply grounded conviction among Polish people that our problems with honesty and cheating are of historical origin. One source of this behaviour might be seen, as presented by a Polish cultural sociologist Żygulski (1975: 221), in Catholic patterns of upbringing. By suggesting a disregard for all earthly property it has not promoted order in social life nor care for one’s rights, as opposed to the Protestant belief that individual development and care for earthly property is a way of promoting one’s future salvation. Some Poles also think that it might be the famous right of liberum veto (allowing any member of the 17th century Polish Parliament to break a parliamentary discussion for no stated reason) which promoted bad, undemocratic habits among lawmakers. This unfortunate right was one of the reasons for the Polish partitions which lasted for 123 years. During this period people tried to avoid or break the various rules imposed by Russians, Austrians and Prussians who ruled Poland at that time. The same situation happened during communist times after World War II. The communists created laws for Polish people, who then broke them and in this way opposed the foreign power, the Soviet Union. [/i][/quote] This makes sense to me. While it seems contradictory that a country with such deep Catholic roots would have this problem with cheating, it is also logical that after centuries of invading foreigners, Poles would regard it as patriotic to "attack" the ruling regime by breaking laws and also cheating where and when they could. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 28, 2009 15:50:24 GMT 1
This makes sense to me. While it seems contradictory that a country with such deep Catholic roots would have this problem with cheating, it is also logical that after centuries of invading foreigners, Poles would regard it as patriotic to "attack" the ruling regime by breaking laws and also cheating where and when they could. The text doesn`t mention the times of WW2 when cheating on the German occupant was necessary to survive. Yes, during partitions and occupations cheating was considered a patriotic behaviour. However, problems with acknowledging authority and its decrees are older than partitions. Let`s not forget that Poland was poorly organized as a state, kings had little power as they were limited by the gentry, their orders were not carried out. When occupants came and imposed their order with strong central power, taxes and precise law in general, Poles suffered a grave shock and tried to do what they had done before: ignore law, evade taxes, do what they wanted etc etc. When thez felt they had enough, they srarted a rebellion or rising. |
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Post by jeanne on Jan 28, 2009 19:46:35 GMT 1
The text doesn`t mention the times of WW2 when cheating on the German occupant was necessary to survive. Yes, during partitions and occupations cheating was considered a patriotic behaviour. However, problems with acknowledging authority and its decrees are older than partitions. Let`s not forget that Poland was poorly organized as a state, kings had little power as they were limited by the gentry, their orders were not carried out. When occupants came and imposed their order with strong central power, taxes and precise law in general, Poles suffered a grave shock and tried to do what they had done before: ignore law, evade taxes, do what they wanted etc etc. When thez felt they had enough, they srarted a rebellion or rising. Habits as deeply ingrained as this are hard to change... I remember the young Polish man that we knew a few years ago telling us that he cheated on his high school exams, his father cheated on his exams, and that he was sure his children would cheat on their exams. We were shocked at such a blatant acknowledging, but it is easy to see why this is so. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 28, 2009 20:04:58 GMT 1
I remember the young Polish man that we knew a few years ago telling us that he cheated on his high school exams, his father cheated on his exams, and that he was sure his children would cheat on their exams. We were shocked at such a blatant acknowledging, but it is easy to see why this is so. Yes. I run a school magazine in our school and looking for materials to it I found an interesting diary by a professional soldier who studied at a military academy in 1930s, just before the war. He tells a a story about young cadets who, at night, broke through a window into a room (2nd storey) where exam questions were kept in a locked drawer. After breaing the lock, they copied them and on the next day they all passed with flying colours. I was shocked reading it as the event took place in a free independent Poland, without any foreign power yet. Those Polish students, future soldiers, cheated on their Polish military teachers. Incredible. At test time I just order my students to sit at seperate desks, remove everything except for the exam sheet. I walk around the classroom and try to detect any illegal movement, communication, cribs or just a word. I am strict during tests. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D www.milosh.za.pl/Lessons/test/06.jpgwww.milosh.za.pl/Lessons/test/00.jpg |
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 15, 2009 22:37:32 GMT 1
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Post by jeanne on Feb 16, 2009 2:23:44 GMT 1
Are they drinking in the jungle? ;D ...it looks like it!
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Post by valpomike on Mar 5, 2009 21:06:53 GMT 1
What is it, that they are drinking?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 5, 2009 22:18:26 GMT 1
What is it, that they are drinking? Mike Some transparent booze. What can it be? |
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 17, 2009 21:46:25 GMT 1
Ten thousand dollars found in Silesia
thenews.pl
10.03.2009
An honest 73-year-old lady found 10,000 USD on the staircase of her home in Wroclaw, south west Poland, Monday, but immediately handed the loot over to local police.
The dollars were all used notes, wrapped up with a rubber band. The police are currently searching for the owner of the bills.
The case follows 20,000 dollars found last month in front of a bank in Jelcz-Laskowice, again in Selisia, by a woman, who also gave the money to the police.
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Post by valpomike on Mar 18, 2009 0:19:57 GMT 1
Here in the U.S.A. many would keep it, even if were much less.
But not me, I only want what is mine.
Mike
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