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Post by Bonobo on May 28, 2011 19:50:39 GMT 1
But we don`t belong to Western civilization. Poland has always been on the crossroads of cultures. That is our biggest weakness but also a great advantage. I am sorry to ruin your dream, Bo. There's nothing in-between. Don't let it get all mixed with CEE concept of today. Theres's an Eastern Christian Byzantian sphere and Western sphere. We (Poland) have lost an opportunity to belong to eastern Europe, as shortly after Poland was 'born' they way historians depict her, and before she was well settled, the great schism occurred and all of a sudden Poles found themselved on the western side. Throughout following centuries they, the Poles, either spread the idea and praxis of sphere they suprisingly found themselves belonging to, or clinged to it, against all the odds. Such a fate. I can`t agree. Polish culture is unique in many aspects, and different from either pure Western or Eastern ones. Little info:
Culture of Poland
Polish culture has progressed at the crossroads of the Byzantine and Latinate worlds in a continuous interaction with a number of ethnic groups living in Poland.
A major characteristic feature of Polish art is the dialogue and interaction of cultures. The style of clothing, as well as the manners and customs of the Polish people reflect influences of the East and West. The traditional apparel of the Polish in the 16th and 17th Centuries reveal inspiration from the opulent Eastern ornamental style, with influences of the Islamic culture.
More here www.europe-cities.com/en/648/poland/culture/
The unique character of Poland Culture is the outcome of a long tradition and history. It was at the crossroads of the Latinate and Byzantine worlds that the National Poland Culture developed in its own unique way. The advent of people into Poland from different parts of the world with different cultures have only helped to season the true Poland Culture providing a completely new flavor to it. The fusion of the East and the West are best reflected in the nature of Polish Culture. Their customs, manners, style, traditions and even their cuisine is an outcome of the balance of their own history and external influence.
Funny but the link you provided says nothing about Poland. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It clearly suggests what the perception of Poland by Westerners is. ;D ;D ;D ;D Last but not least: major Polish universities which advertise their educational offer on the Net include such a phrase: Poland is a fascinating country that serves as the geographical and cultural crossroads of Eastern and Western Europe.
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Post by tufta on May 28, 2011 20:02:43 GMT 1
I am sorry to ruin your dream, Bo. There's nothing in-between. Don't let it get all mixed with CEE concept of today. Theres's an Eastern Christian Byzantian sphere and Western sphere. We (Poland) have lost an opportunity to belong to eastern Europe, as shortly after Poland was 'born' they way historians depict her, and before she was well settled, the great schism occurred and all of a sudden Poles found themselved on the western side. Throughout following centuries they, the Poles, either spread the idea and praxis of sphere they suprisingly found themselves belonging to, or clinged to it, against all the odds. Such a fate. I can`t agree. Polish culture is unique in many aspects, and different from either pure Western or Eastern ones. Little info: Culture of Poland Polish culture has progressed at the crossroads of the Byzantine and Latinate worlds in a continuous interaction with a number of ethnic groups living in Poland. A major characteristic feature of Polish art is the dialogue and interaction of cultures. The style of clothing, as well as the manners and customs of the Polish people reflect influences of the East and West. The traditional apparel of the Polish in the 16th and 17th Centuries reveal inspiration from the opulent Eastern ornamental style, with influences of the Islamic culture. More here www.europe-cities.com/en/648/poland/culture/The unique character of Poland Culture is the outcome of a long tradition and history. It was at the crossroads of the Latinate and Byzantine worlds that the National Poland Culture developed in its own unique way. The advent of people into Poland from different parts of the world with different cultures have only helped to season the true Poland Culture providing a completely new flavor to it. The fusion of the East and the West are best reflected in the nature of Polish Culture. Their customs, manners, style, traditions and even their cuisine is an outcome of the balance of their own history and external influence. You have just provided interesting material to back the obvious: Poland is and always was part of the Western Culture, Bo  |
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Post by Bonobo on May 28, 2011 20:12:46 GMT 1
You have just provided interesting material to back the obvious: Poland is and always was part of the Western Culture, Bo No, we are more unique than you suggest. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by tufta on May 28, 2011 20:24:24 GMT 1
You have just provided interesting material to back the obvious: Poland is and always was part of the Western Culture, Bo No, we are more unique than you suggest. ;D ;D ;D Uh, here we agree, but that's something altogether different than 'Poland not part of the WC" . P.S. I like these occasional short exchanges of ours - usually on weekends they take place, but that's unfortunately my last input for today |
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Post by Bonobo on May 28, 2011 20:55:25 GMT 1
Uh, here we agree, but that's something altogether different than 'Poland not part of the WC" . Hey, I didn`t say we are not part of WC. I said we are on the crossroads between cultures, it means we are part of both the West and East. Some experts wrongly make us the part of West: 
The European territory of the West according to Huntington. The map represented the Orthodox East and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) West. Through the centuries, the Great Schism caused determinant differences in societal structure, in ruling forms, in applied technologies and economic development, in philosophy and ethics, in architecture, in the fine arts, and in clothing. |
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Post by tufta on May 29, 2011 10:31:23 GMT 1
Hey, I didn`t say we are not part of WC. Hmm, that must mean I misunderstood your statement here: But we don`t belong to Western civilization. I have wrongly thought that when you say "Poland doesn't belong to Western civilization" it does mean "Poland is not part of the Western civilization". Please excuse me, I was simply wrong. |
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Post by tufta on May 29, 2011 10:47:24 GMT 1
Funny but the link you provided says nothing about Poland. I must have been wrong again. But as a gentleman I will gladly accept my error and apologize, which I do. I have erronously thought that this map from the link I have provided, which illustrates the Great Schism issue I have refered to, speaks preciesely about Poland being a historical part of the West  I was obviuously completely wrong as only this map says volumes about Poland. the Orthodox East and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) West. Through the centuries, the Great Schism caused determinant differences in societal structure, in ruling forms, in applied technologies and economic development, in philosophy and ethics, in architecture, in the fine arts, and in clothing. [/i] [/quote] I apologize, I was wrong, and I thank you for intellectually inspiring exchange. |
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Post by Bonobo on May 29, 2011 15:27:28 GMT 1
I have erronously thought that this map from the link I have provided, which illustrates the Great Schism issue I have refered to, speaks preciesely about Poland being a historical part of the West Your map was smaller and with a very short description: The Great Schism with former borders in 1054. Words, including Poland, were illegible there. My map was bigger and with a detailed description. ;D ;D ;D ;D All maps show we are on the border of two worlds. I have wrongly thought that when you say "Poland doesn't belong to Western civilization" it does mean "Poland is not part of the Western civilization". Please excuse me, I was simply wrong. Yes, you were obviously wrong because you didn`t understand that I meant Poland doesn`t FULLY belong to Western civilisation. You were probably too absorbed in the debate. And even the next sentences: Poland has always been on the crossroads of cultures, it means we are part of both the West and East. Polish culture is unique in many aspects, and different from either pure Western or Eastern ones. didn`t guide you on the right track of thinking. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on May 29, 2011 15:34:20 GMT 1
Now, details.
Facts which prove that we don`t fully belong to the West.
Polish literature is practically unknown in Europe. It is too concentrated on Polish things to be popular elsewhere than our country. Only a few readers and experts in the West know some Polish writers/authors. And such names as Polish Noble Prize winners, Szymborska, Reymont, Sienkiewicz and Mi³osz are too few to make Polish literature famous in the world. Frankly, who reads their novels or poems today? Only students of Slavic Languages courses at several universities.
On the other hand, Russian writers and poets are famous, read, discussed and viewed as classic. Dostoyewski, for example. Everybody heard this name. His Crime and Punishment will never be forgotten.
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Post by tufta on May 29, 2011 17:50:15 GMT 1
Don't get farther into it, Bo, please! Just say 'I, Bonobo do sincerely apologize, I was too hasty in my dispute mode yesterday. Of course Poland is and always was part of the West. Tufta, please don't mind my todays wiggling out about being under influence of the East, which is obvious. It is sometimes hard to accept a silly slip but I will never do it again! Yours Bo" Waiting ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on May 29, 2011 19:39:03 GMT 1
Don't get farther into it, Bo, please! Just say 'I, Bonobo do sincerely apologize, I was too hasty in my dispute mode yesterday. Of course Poland is and always was part of the West. Tufta, please don't mind my todays wiggling out about being under influence of the East, which is obvious. It is sometimes hard to accept a silly slip but I will never do it again! Yours Bo" Waiting ;D Neva!  Sorry tufta but playing magic with words won`t help. You need to provide hard facts to convince me so that I can willingly, with pleasure, admit that Poland is a part of the Western sphere and no other. |
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Post by tufta on May 29, 2011 20:13:04 GMT 1
Bo, then we really have a problem, as it is my sincere feeling you are playing with words. Of course I notice your humour and charm, but you did say 'no- Western' to deny my 'Western'. Anyway, the issue is not worth further nit-picking,
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Post by Bonobo on May 29, 2011 20:17:25 GMT 1
but you did say 'no- Western' to deny my 'Western'. Not exactly. I said the crossroads of spheres and cultures several times. I am going to provide facts. I have just commenced with literature. Of course, do not feel pressed to anything. ;D ;D ;D ;D PS. Wouldn`t you prefer to comment on a few threads about Warsaw which I started or added to? ;D ;D ;D [/size] |
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