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Post by pjotr on Oct 6, 2011 22:54:22 GMT 1
The Dutch musician Ellen ten Damme sings Nina Hagen's 'Naturträne' at the opening of an exhibition of paintings in Amsterdam of the Dutch artist Barbara Wijnveld from Amsterdam.
I am both a Nina Hagen and Barbara Wijnveld (paintings and drawings) fan, and like the music of Ellen ten Damme.
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Post by pjotr on Oct 6, 2011 23:10:20 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Oct 6, 2011 23:18:11 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Oct 14, 2011 16:56:23 GMT 1
The androgyn singer Antony Hegarty (born 1971) an English singer-songwriter, composer, playwright, director and visual artist, best known as the lead singer of the band Antony and the Johnsons is a sort of New Wave or offpspring of it in my opinion.
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Post by pjotr on Oct 16, 2011 0:22:49 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Oct 16, 2011 0:31:15 GMT 1
New wave of new wave The New Wave of New Wave ( NWONW) was a term coined by music journalists to describe a sub-genre of the British alternative rock scene in the early 90s, in which bands displayed punk, post-punk and New Wave influences, particlularly from bands such as The Clash, Blondie, Wire, and The Stranglers. The band generally played guitar-based rock music. The movement was short lived and several of the bands involved were later linked with the more commercially successful Britpop, which it immediately preceded, and the NWONW was described by John Harris of The Guardian as " Britpop without the good bits". The NME played a major part in promoting and covering the genre, and promoted the On event, which featured many of the bands they had labelled NWONW. Record label Fierce Panda's first release, Shagging in the Streets, was a tribute to the scene, featuring S*M*A*S*H, Done Lying Down, These Animal Men, and others. Associated bands have included Elastica, S*M*A*S*H, Menswear, Sleeper, Echobelly, Shed Seven, These Animal Men, and Compulsion. Robert Christgau identified the mid-1990s NWONW movement as the peak of a new wave revival that has continued on and off since, stating " 1994 was the top of a curve we can't be certain we've reached the bottom of". www.guardian.co.uk/music/2006/oct/13/electronicmusic.popandrock
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Post by pjotr on Oct 16, 2011 1:41:02 GMT 1
These days I am surching for a firm, solid, musical quintessence and merging of the best infuences and stiles of Rock 'n roll, rythem 'n blues, Blues, New Wave, the better Punk spirit, hard rock/metal and Pop bands in new Indie kind of bands. In the ninetees I liked Curt Cobains Grunge band Nirvana due to it's energy, and bands like The Strokes, the White Stripes and the Black Crows. They carried the flag of Rock 'n roll on to the future. I wasn't that fond of Brit Pop, but recognised the quality of bands like Blur, Oasis and the Verve. Maybe I was more America and continental Europe oriented and stuck in the past of British music (sixtees: The Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Animals and seventees: David Bowie, Roxy Music and The Police), to recognise the new British pop music of the eightees. The New Wave and New romantics came later in my life. Typical teenage music of that time was hard rock and heavy metal. It had to be fast, dark, heavy and mean. The sound! That were the storms that raged in a teenage mind, with an image of what existed behind the Iron curtain, because I traveled through that by car (my fathers) and train. These experiances of the DDR, Poland, the coalmine and Industrial area's of Wallonia (Belgium) required differant music than the general sweet commercial soul, disco and symphonic and glamrock. Being been brought up with a conciousness of the horrors of the (IInd) world war and the opression and danger of Communism made me more adabtive and fond of heavier kinds of music. How was that behind the Iron Curtain, Tufta, you and Bonobo showed me some Polish New Wave and Punk bands. I know Bo was a hardrock/heavy metal fan and that you ( Tufta) were a Polish hippie (differant from the Western hippies and the Polish Pre-Punks). You must have had an Underground music scene, a non communistic dissident Samizdat kind of anarchistic, Polish stile music and youth cultures and sub groups, like the Mods, Teddy Boys (Nozems), Rockers, Hillbillies, bikers, Goths (New wavers), skater and squater subcultures in the West. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_subcultureen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_(subculture)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Boy_(youth_culture) / en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nozem en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocker_(subculture)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillbilliesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_cluben.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goth_subcultureen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skateboarden.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting / en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomism |
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Post by pjotr on Oct 16, 2011 2:07:53 GMT 1
Smashing Pumpkins in Warsaw car
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Post by pjotr on Oct 16, 2011 3:04:36 GMT 1
Stereolab
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Post by pjotr on Oct 17, 2011 18:38:52 GMT 1
Jacek Jan I. Shevski from Arnhem and his band Yordan Orchestra:
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Post by pjotr on Oct 17, 2011 18:45:24 GMT 1
Another Arnhem musician from Polish origin:
Music has not borders, is international, and often music scenes are international, because many bands here have band members with two or three nationalities. Ofcourse most bands have one nationality.
The important element of music is that it can cross lines of culture, ethnicity, language and taste. You can listen to music and songs being touched by it without knowing the content of the song and piece of music or excactly knowing from which country it is.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 19, 2012 17:38:34 GMT 1
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Post by tufta on Jan 19, 2012 22:15:46 GMT 1
You watch the world without emotion
Whatever the times and people's ways
Wherever you are, day or night
Your eye of a viewer is watching the game
While someone else changes the world - for you!
Takes all the risk, clamours "against!"
You keep the distance, because that's easier
And just in case - you still stay safe.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 20, 2012 10:54:52 GMT 1
Tufta,
Nice song this song of Lombard, it is unfortunately I can't understand and therefor listen to the original Polish lyrics. Therfor the singing is part of the musical experiance, human sounds.
Thanks for the translation which says a lot. It tells the truth.
I have mixed emotions about the past which is shown in the video's of our video clips. Having been in Communist Poland (and therefor the DDR too -by car and train-) I have experianced the system like it was in the seventees and eightees, and seen the differance between the Eastern side of the Berlin wall and the Western side of the Berlin wall or Iron curtain through Europe. But I did not live in Poland and therfor could not know the reality of Polish people who lived there. I watched it through the romantic and childish eyes of a kid of 4, 6 and probably eight years old. It were adventurous journyes, to another world, culture and system for us. But you felt the tension and the enjoyment of your parents, because they met friends and my mothers parents. As a teenager of 14 (1984) and 17 (1987) the atmosphere and reality of the situation was much more clear, because I got the chance to walk, shop en experiance the Poznan society of those two eighty years myself. The misery of the Poznan society was visible in 1987, there was a sort of depression going on, with a lot of drunk people on the streat in the evening. Not a minority but a lot of people, and the people did not look happy or relaxed. The pressure of life and the system was heavy on their shoulders. We did not know back then that two years later the sytem would collapse and that Poznan and Poland would become democratic. Ofcourse tough years of reform and capitalisation followed in the ninetees. I can't judge about Poland like your song so correctly states Tufta. But the last years of Communism weren't easy for the Poles, like the previous decades weren't. The West easily forgets that, because here there is to much attention to the Second World war, and for people who did not experiance communism, nazism is always worse than communism, and therefor uncorrectly communism was seen by manny as the lesser evil. And ofcourse Sovjet, Western-communist and socialist leftist propaganda and appeasement did its develish work.
I belonged to a minority of people from the West who visited Central-Europe on the other side of the Iron Curtain.
On the other side of the Iron Curtain there was probably a minority of Central- and Eastern Europeans who visited the West, and experianced the contrast. Other people who did not experiance that contrast between 'West' and 'East' have a difficulty to understand the reality of the Communist Peoples republics of Central- and Eastern-Europe like many people of the post-war generations can't imagine the Nazi/Second World time. Therefor good history and culture education about the values of freedom, pluriformity, democracy, freedom of organisation, speech, gathering, of opinion and of being differant stays important. Good music and lyrics (songs) which portray historical subjects, experiances and the results of historical developments stay important.
Good music and songs touch the human spirit, sould, mind and heart. Good music sometimes can creat awareness and conciousness. It is not easy to sing about the communist past or for instance the effects of the second world war, but good musicians can sing about such things.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 20, 2012 11:31:57 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Jan 20, 2012 11:42:32 GMT 1
And now something completely different:
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Post by tufta on Jan 23, 2012 21:12:04 GMT 1
I am in spite of everything
I stand in spite of the winds
I see in spite of the darkness
I think in spite of the stones
First sang in 1971 by Marek A³aszewski and Klan.
They are still singing - in free Poland.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 23, 2012 23:53:48 GMT 1
Tufta,
This is truely beautiful, poetic, musically, wonderful and original music somewhere between the Doors, Pink Floyd and the early Rolling Stones. Listening to this music and song I feel like in a psychedelic, Polish Hippie music heaven. I have a secret soft spot for good music from the sixtees, seventees and eightees Tufta. And not the usual heavy, electronic or modern music I talk about and post on the other Polish forum or this Forum. Good old beat music, Flower Power time music, some Folk and the experimental rock 'n roll or rock music from the time that music was stil music, the good old analogue years of Hammond organs, valve amplifiers, and bands that stil existed of the simple trio of base, drums and electric guitars, with occasionally synthesizer keyboards.
And I love the sound of the Moog synthesizer used on Strange Days by The Doors (released September 1967), Their Satanic Majesties Request by The Rolling Stones (released December 1967), The Notorious Byrd Brothers by The Byrds (released January 1968) and on The Beatles' Abbey Road album.
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Post by pjotr on Jan 24, 2012 0:52:47 GMT 1
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Post by tufta on Jan 25, 2012 21:22:39 GMT 1
Little dogs
caught me along my road
Each wanted
to tear off a piece for itself
Sometimes
I've had enough of this
But my road
Was the only way to go
One has a fish tied
To one's wings,
If you fly away
Fish's heart will stop beating
So listen, bird,
Life in a cage is not that bad
Bad is when
you no longer want to live
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Post by uncltim on Jan 25, 2012 23:01:01 GMT 1
Enjoying this thread.
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Post by tufta on Feb 1, 2012 20:48:43 GMT 1
So far, far, far, far, far away you are
Yet so close, sometimes.
Sometimes I can talk with you,
Often I feel your might
Nothing's accidental
In spite of my regular doubts
I so much wish I could become your friend.
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Post by tufta on Feb 1, 2012 21:50:09 GMT 1
I've just learned that Wis³awa Szymborska, a poetess, has just died.
Nic dwa razy/Nothing twice
by Wis³awa Szymborska
Nothing can ever happen twice.
In consequence, the sorry fact is
that we arrive here improvised
and leave without the chance to practice.
Even if there is no one dumber,
if you're the planet's biggest dunce,
you can't repeat the class in summer:
this course is only offered once.
No day copies yesterday,
no two nights will teach what bliss is
in precisely the same way,
with exactly the same kisses.
One day, perhaps, some idle tongue
mentions your name by accident:
I feel as if a rose were flung
into the room, all hue and scent.
The next day, though you're here with me,
I can't help looking at the clock:
A rose? A rose? What could that be?
Is it a flower or a rock?
Why do we treat the fleeting day
with so much needless fear and sorrow?
It's in its nature not to stay:
Today is always gone tomorrow.
With smiles and kisses, we prefer
to seek accord beneath our star,
although we're different (we concur)
just as two drops of water are.
(Translated by Stanislaw Baranczak and Clare Cavanagh )
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Post by pjotr on Feb 4, 2012 2:27:17 GMT 1
Tufta,
I enjoyed your musical youtube video's very much. They show the modern Polish music I do not know or am just starting to be aware of. The Polish Tom Waits, Marek Dyjak with his song Człowiek, the relaxed swinging Polish ska of Bóg, the sixtees big band jazz of Łucja Prus with the song Nic Dwa Razy which she performed in Sopot in 1965 and the Music video by Maanam performing Nic Dwa Razy. I don't know how describe Maanam in an English pop music example. I don't know if I can call here a Polish Patty Smith, Debby Harry or a Polish PJ Harvey? She has her own stile.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pjotr on Feb 4, 2012 3:09:49 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Feb 20, 2012 1:17:17 GMT 1
Ellen ten DammeDo you dare? ( Durf jij?) If I drink the thirst of waiting And swallow the time you spill If I learn burry the long, empty nights in my chest If I learn to suppress the hunger From your mouth which is much to far away If I will spend the days silently Who are silenced by silence Do you dare you, do you dare? To say to me you will stay? Do you dare you, do you dare? If I to crawl too you through thistles on a burning path of gravel If I crawl too you through the jungle Anxious trembling like a child If I swim across rivers to the country where you reside If I soothe wild seas on a raft that nearly sinks Do you dare you, do you dare? To say to me you will stay? Do you dare you, do you dare? Every song is the same old song What will be is what existed before Feel your fire in your heart then you will enjoy But the clock is ticking and everything is around And if you'll finally taste what you did not know that it existed If you do nothing more than spend on the silence of my mouth As thirst and hunger are appeased now nothing but still exists If you do not longer differ from me Silence descends on the street Do you dare you, do you dare? To say to me you will stay? Do you dare you, do you dare? To say to me you will stay? And everything is around! 
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Post by pjotr on Feb 20, 2012 1:57:31 GMT 1
Spinvis - My sea (soundtrack of a Dutch movie: "Husbant searches for wife", "Man zoekt vrouw")
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Post by tufta on Feb 20, 2012 10:03:47 GMT 1
My sea[/b] (soundtrack of a Dutch movie: "Husbant searches for wife", "Man zoekt vrouw")
Nice music. The title reminds me of a Polish movie from early seventies about the housing problems of Varsovians.
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Post by pjotr on Feb 21, 2012 1:17:27 GMT 1
This is a New York Indie rock band I liked when I was in my twenties and was studying in Arnhem (1992-1995) and painting and drawing in my studio (1995-1999).
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Post by pjotr on Feb 21, 2012 23:06:36 GMT 1
Pieter (me) in 2001, next to our art photography gallery in Arnhem. The woman taking the image on the photo is Ivonne Zyp, the curator of the gallery which was called TI:ME:LAB.  The photograph is taken bij Rienk Toorman also know as Tohr.www.ivonnezijp.nl/www.rienktoorman.com/ tohrart.com/Today I don't walk in hardrock t-shirts and black anymore. Wearing black back then was a sort of anarchistic (New wave) art uniform. I always wore black Dress shirts, black t-shirts, black jeans, black shoes and black socks back then. I was not a follower, but it was my taste back then. (never blue jeans and blue dress shirts) What clothers or styles did you have Bonobo (the heavy metal guy) and Tufta, the old Polish hippy.  
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