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Post by valpomike on Jul 5, 2011 1:34:27 GMT 1
I know how many, many here in the U.S.A. think, but wonder why Poland and many other parts of the world, think our President, here in the U.S.A. is good? What good has he done for our people? He has hurt us more than doing any good.
What do you all think?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 5, 2011 17:50:24 GMT 1
I know how many, many here in the U.S.A. think, but wonder why Poland and many other parts of the world, think our President, here in the U.S.A. is good? What good has he done for our people? He has hurt us more than doing any good. What do you all think? Mike First of all, you should present some hard facts to show how Obama hurt Americans. Did he hurt them more than G. Bush ? |
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Post by valpomike on Jul 5, 2011 20:58:16 GMT 1
He has us deep in debit, and wants us to become a socialize place, and wants this for the world also. He also has us in more wars. He is wanted to increase our tax, so that he can have more spending, instead of cutting cost, that we now have. I am not alone in my thinking here in the U.S.A., but the unions, and big money are behind him.
Both the G. Bush's were much better, they wanted what was best for all, not just a few.
Some day history will tell the true story.
Mike
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Post by uncltim on Jul 6, 2011 4:08:33 GMT 1
Obama is a continuation of Bush, maybe worse.
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Post by valpomike on Jul 6, 2011 18:55:11 GMT 1
Yes, worse. G.W. Bush was great.
Mike
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Post by valpomike on Jul 11, 2011 1:30:52 GMT 1
What do the rest of you think, on my question?
Mike
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Post by franciszek on Jul 16, 2011 18:01:26 GMT 1
I think Obama is ok i always regarded the bushes as warmongers but what i see in the news Obama wants to get your troops out of the middle east and surely he inheireted the wars from the last administration,just as we have as for higher taxes this is just down to a global meltdown and bad banks which then is left to governments to solve which frankly they are all doing a bad job.All countries involved in wars will be wealthier when the fighting stops troops and bullets are not cheap
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Post by valpomike on Jul 16, 2011 20:03:08 GMT 1
He, Obama, has gotten us into other wars, that we don't need or belong in. He has the national debit, several times higher, than ever before. And his stimulus package cost us, over $ 200,000.00 for each job, that was gotten. Now he wants to raise our tax, when many people are without work, and the banks are taking away there home, many due to the fact, the bad loans were made, when the banks were controled by Obama's party.
The Bush's were forced to go to war after we were attacked, in New York. Were did you read, he, Obama wants to take the troops out of anywhere? This is one of his promisses he made before elections. The Bush president, inhereted many bad things from Clinton also, and he corrected many of them. This jerk, Obama, has made many new problems for us here, and he could care less. I just hope and pray, that he does not get re-elected.
Mike
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Post by uncltim on Jul 17, 2011 10:17:13 GMT 1
I hope anyone but a Democrat or Republican wins next time. I'm sick of the two party oligarchy. Our government needs a serious injection of chaos. The political theater of the last 40 years or so has eroded freedoms to an unacceptable level. I speak with a lot of people everyday, you wouldn't believe how prevelant this thought is. Crosses all race and wealth boundries too.
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Post by valpomike on Jul 18, 2011 1:31:44 GMT 1
The Tea party, other than the Democarats or Republicans are the only ones who have a chance. Many great people will not run for office, since, for many, it is a major cut in income.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 31, 2011 16:51:08 GMT 1
The Tea party, other than the Democarats or Republicans are the only ones who have a chance. Many great people will not run for office, since, for many, it is a major cut in income. Mike Isn`t Tea Party affiliated with Republicans somehow? I read that recTent tensions between Obama with his budget deficit increase plans and the Republican Congress opposing the idea have been greatly instigated by Tea Party Republican congressmen. Our government needs a serious injection of chaos. Like official bankruptcy of US? |
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Post by valpomike on Jul 31, 2011 19:40:50 GMT 1
Like a election of a good president who cares for the USA, unlike this one.
Mike
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Post by pjotr on Jul 31, 2011 21:05:16 GMT 1
Mike, I don't know exactly how to answer your question. We here in Western-Europe don't get a clear image of the USA, because we don't read American media a lot. I try to watch CNN and Fox news regulary, and read the Economist, News Week and the New York Times if I get the chance to buy one of them. During the elections I bought and read two books about and from Obama. It was interesting to read and to see his strategy, but I did not really get a chance to know the guy and to understand what he really wants. He managed to attract both Democrats and Republicans, learned from both Ronald Reagan and the Clintons. He was one of the first presidential candidates who used Social media on a large scale, and he managed to attract and inspire young Americans from all races and ethnic backgrounds. His ideology and policies in my view are close to the European centre left. The European social democratic parties and New Labour of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. Like them he is a president who invested in existing wars and started new wars. Maybe Uncle Tim is right that it is time for an Independant president, to end the Bipartisan Party oligarchic structures. I hope Donald Trump will run an independant campaign. As a republican candidate he will be quickly become part of the Washington mainstream of the Republic and Democratic political world. Uncletim, what Independant or Third party alternatives do you see for the Democrats or Republicans? How is the Reform Party doing? And the Independant party and Green Party (Ralph Nader)? Pat Buchanan? Why isn't the Libertarian Ron Paul Independant? He is republican isn't he? www.rpusa.info/www.theamericancause.org/index.phpwww.gp.org/index.php A black conservative from New Jersey |
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Post by pjotr on Jul 31, 2011 21:38:22 GMT 1
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Post by valpomike on Aug 1, 2011 17:46:45 GMT 1
Remember, the news is controled by his party, so you don't get the facts, we have to search out the truth here also. Let me say this, he is no good for the USA, and never was, or will be.
As a congressman, he would not even vote, most of the time. He and his party have put us in the spot we are now in, and can't change until he, and many of his party are gone.
Search out the truth, and I hope you will be able to find it, as many here have found.
Mike
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Post by pjotr on Aug 1, 2011 18:05:22 GMT 1
Mike, America is a democracy, a free republic, so people if they are fed up by the existing parties, media and government can vote for another party, create new media themselves and put a new government into power. I read about the Tea party movement, Independent conservatives, Conservative and Christian talkshow hosts, and saw documentries about these movements in American society. Report says Conservative Women are Tea Party's leadersA majority of the tea partiers are conservative women! Surprise main stream media – we could have told you that! Pro-life women leaders like Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann are among the tea party’s most recognizeable figures, and are a part of the expanding popularity of the tea party movement.  Sarah Palin at Tea Party rally Michele Bachmann address Tea Party rally in Washington |
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Post by pjotr on Aug 1, 2011 18:45:05 GMT 1
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Post by valpomike on Aug 1, 2011 22:32:46 GMT 1
Big business buys it's vote, with the unions, who have much to gain, by having control. This goverment won't let new media, since they controls it.
It is time for a change, for the good, I hope. Starting with a new president, and many congressmen.
Mike
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Post by pjotr on Aug 2, 2011 10:32:05 GMT 1
Big business buys it's vote, with the unions, who have much to gain, by having control. This goverment won't let new media, since they controls it. It is time for a change, for the good, I hope. Starting with a new president, and many congressmen. Mike Mike, Maybe you need a second American revolution first to break the power of the Bi-partisan party system, Big business, the Unions, the government and the controlled media, as you call it.  Cheers, Pieter P.S.- I always thought about America as an individualistic, free and democratic state, system and nation. But I began to doubt that when I visited the USA in 1999 for the first time? Why? Due to the large power of the Federal government there and the Americans I spoke with. |
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Post by pjotr on Aug 2, 2011 10:45:31 GMT 1
Folks,
No party or president is ever free or able to fullfill his promises, his party program or vision, because he is always hjjacked by the congress ( The One Hundred Twelfth United States Congress is the current meeting of the legislative branch of the United States federal government, composed of the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives.)
That is the weakness of democracy, that there are never leaders who can have a long term strategy, program or real Reform of the system in the benefit of the people, the democracy itself and the needs of a country, economy and progress.
For instance, how could both Republican and Democratic governments spend more than they have, creating that huge American state depth. I was tought as a kid as principle that you can never spend more than you have and that depth is something wrong. No in the past decades the whole American society was based on depths, with redicilous loans, creditcard fraude. The Americans spend more and owned more than they could afford. In effect they lived a life they could not afford. And as a Dutch Calvinist I might say, what is wrong with a sober, honest life?
I hope that the American system reforms itself, that there will be new sensable leaders (others than the present Democrats and Republicans), and that this century will be the century of the American civilization. Maybe America should be less involved with the world and more with America. A little bit of Isolationalism is not bad. Not to much, but a little bit of America focussed on America is okay!
I hope the Hydrogen economy will be there soon, so that the West will be more independant from the world (read Middle east and other Oil/Opec countries).
I hopeful thing is that the largest money lenders, China and Japan, have no interest in the collapse of the American economy, because they need the American free market, because they sell their products to the US customer.
Pieter
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Post by pjotr on Aug 2, 2011 11:06:15 GMT 1
Mike,
You know I am not a conservative or Republican or even a Fox news fan, but I like this woman for her clarity. She is funny and clear! She says what she thinks!
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by valpomike on Aug 2, 2011 16:47:52 GMT 1
But when the president and congress are of the same party, they control. Plus many of the other party, gave up, and don't any longer even vote, or work for their party.
Mike
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Post by pjotr on Aug 2, 2011 19:00:39 GMT 1
But when the president and congress are of the same party, they control. Plus many of the other party, gave up, and don't any longer even vote, or work for their party. Mike Mike, I am not against the Democratic and Republican parties, democrats and republicans. But I think there should be a third and maybe even a fourth and/or fifth party in congress. The Bi-partisan system should be broken, and a Polish, German or present British system should be created. In Great-Britain you have the Tories (Conservatives), Labour and the Liberak-democrats. The Liberal-democrats are in the first coalition government the Brits have had in maybe a century. The British politics was always devided between the Tories and Labour. For the American politics it would be good if there was a conservative Independant party, which is more principal than the opportunistic and comformist Republican party, and the Conservative wing of the Democrats. On the Left the Green Party could gather the leftwing wing of the Democrats, the radical liberals, Feminists, environmentalists and Black Caucious. Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by pjotr on Aug 2, 2011 19:14:39 GMT 1
Mike,
It would be good too if there was a pure Christian party, which is a biblical and Evangelical party for Christian interests, the family, community life, christian business, rural America, and the conservative traditional Protestant and Roman Catholic people in liberal cities on the East- and West-Coast.
Maybe such a Christian party could be part of the Independant party or the New Republican party in a system with more parties. America is differant than Europe, you do not have the Christian-democratic, Social-democratic and secular Conservative and typical Rightwing Populist movements and topics. The North-American reality of the USA is differant from ours in Western-Europe. You do not have the European Muslim migration, and differant multicultural societies in your 51 states.
It is hard for me as a Western-European to understand the American political, financial and economical reality. I have my ideas and preferences, but it is irrelevant for you US-guys, because you know the situation there better and have to live with the consequences of the decisions of your politicians.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by valpomike on Aug 2, 2011 22:27:30 GMT 1
Pieter,
As I could not talk on your government, I think, since you don't what is going on here, you should talk on my government. You have to live here, in the USA, to know the truth, no what someone tells you.
Mike
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Post by pjotr on Aug 3, 2011 12:32:05 GMT 1
Mike,
I have Polish American family. But we hardly discuss American politics, nor American society.vWe enjoy eachothers presence when they are in Europe, visiting us. I showed them Amsterdam and they
visited my parents home in the South-West. You are right, I don't know what is excactly going on at your place, and you don't know a lot about my country, the politics of my country and government.
That is okay. I am interested in the USA, loved seeing LA and New York. It is up to the Americans to decide what's the future of their country is. A third political party next to the democrats and republicans, the Independant Reform Party, would be great. But that is up to the American voters and the political active American people.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by valpomike on Aug 3, 2011 18:27:04 GMT 1
Pieter,
We here in the U.S.A. may not need a third party, just a re-doing of the parties we now have. I don't think a third party will ever take over leadership of the U.S.A.
We now have a group of called RINO party, Republicians in nane only, and many of these need to go.
Like I said before, here one of our problems is many don't want to do there share, thinking they can't make a change, when they can.
Mike
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Post by valpomike on Aug 3, 2011 18:31:42 GMT 1
Pieter,
Another thing, when many other place were in need, we, the U.S.A. came to there aid, now if we, the U.S.A. were in need, who would help us?
Mike
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Post by pjotr on Aug 3, 2011 21:55:36 GMT 1
Pieter, Another thing, when many other place were in need, we, the U.S.A. came to there aid, now if we, the U.S.A. were in need, who would help us? Mike Mike, That is a good question. You are right, the Americans came to aid Europe in the First, Second and Cold War. I am afraid that not many nations will come to America's aid if the USA needed help. Probably the *Poles, maybe the Albanians (who are Pro-American). I have no idea. Europe is to divided to make a United Stand. I hope the Brits will come to America's aid, because they know that there is an Anglo American alliance of English speaking countries and cultures. The Anglo-American Alliance is old. So I hope that the Americans will always be able to rely on the Brits, with whom they share roots, genes (a lot of Americans have Anglo-saxon or Scottish roots or dna), language, an economical and democratic inclination. So the Americans can rely on the British Army ( www.army.mod.uk/home.aspx ), the SAS ( www.sasspecialairservice.com/ ), Mi5 ( www.mi5.gov.uk/ ), Mi6 ( www.sis.gov.uk/ ) and Scotland Yard ( content.met.police.uk/Home ).  The SAS in Northern-Africa* www.grom.wp.mil.pl/en/index.html www.mon.gov.pl/en/index/ |
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