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Post by tufta on Apr 29, 2009 18:49:06 GMT 1
Mike, I am afraid you have found the answer yourself... the local records have been destroyed, burned, stolen during the war.
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Post by valpomike on Apr 30, 2009 2:51:38 GMT 1
But some one told me, there could be another source, the Government.
If so, where will I send for this?
Mike
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Post by locopolaco on Apr 30, 2009 13:34:38 GMT 1
if the records were burnt, lost or otherwise destroyed, the gov. won't have anything either. in modern age birth records are kept at the hospital.. in the old days either at the church or gmina. since a lot of the lands were under different influences for over 100 years.. it may be impossible to locate any further info.. but i am not trying to discourage you, that's for sure.. goodd luck on your search and hope you do find the info you are seeking.
as Gigi said, you really want to get everything you can that is related to your ancestors here in America.. those records are very very good, for the most part and should lead you back to some connections back in the old country.
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Post by gigi on Apr 30, 2009 15:45:00 GMT 1
Mike, Please remind me if your grandparents went through the naturalization process and if so, if you have obtained both sets of documents. Also, this may be a stretch, but do the surnames Zywanowski or Polarek sound familiar to you? I found a microfilm record at familysearch.org titled Zywanowski family records 1887-1945 that contains the surnames Zywanowski, Polarek, and Grabrowski. Grabowski is not an uncommon name, so it may not be related to your grandmother. HOWEVER, the notes read: Includes Grabowski, Polarek and related families.John Zywanowski (1884/1885-1945) immigrated from Poland (a portion then part of Russia) to Porter County, Indiana, and married Mary Polarek. Descendants lived in Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa and elsewhere. Valparaiso is in Porter County, right? One of the things that can be challenging with genealogy is tracing the roots of female family members, since they usually do not keep their maiden names. If your grandmother had sisters or female cousins that you know of, doing searches under their married names may provide you with information that you might be able to trace back to your Grabowskis. The author of the Zywanowski family records is listed as Kuehl, Cecelia Zywanowski Grabowski, born in 1911. Are there any Zywanowskis or perhaps even Kuehls in your area? If so, it would be another avenue for you to check out, as it is possible that the Zywanoskis came from the same area that your relatives came from. Here is the link from family search: www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=160256&disp=ZywanowskiThe film info is: FHL US/CAN Film 1206306 Item 2 This film could be ordered through your local Family History Center for about $5.
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Post by valpomike on May 1, 2009 3:06:32 GMT 1
Gigi,
Thank you very much for all your help, and I will try all of your suggestions. My Grandmothers name before marriage was Grabowski. Now I have new leads.
Mike
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Post by valpomike on Sept 30, 2009 18:37:30 GMT 1
To all,
I am still working, without anything new yet, can you help?
Mike
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Post by krystal on Oct 2, 2009 1:14:46 GMT 1
To all, I am still working, without anything new yet, can you help? Mike Try look up Rootsweb, Ancenstry or www.e-targ.org
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Post by valpomike on Oct 2, 2009 2:53:25 GMT 1
You must be a Slovak, and I am 100% Polish. I have tried most all web sites, even those that you pay for, and they are unable to give me information on my grandparents when they were in Poland. I have a lady in Poland now working on it, but it does not look good, yet. I am open to any and all ideas.
Mike
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Post by DeeDee on Oct 2, 2009 15:30:23 GMT 1
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Post by valpomike on Oct 2, 2009 17:58:57 GMT 1
Dee Dee,
First off, yes I love you, and thank you for doing your best to help me, but everything you sent, I have gone over several times before, some no good, some they want a fee, and after you pay it, they still don't have anything. Some are only in Polish, and I don't read, write or speak Polish. What I hope to find some day, is information on my grandparents from Poland, like what kind of work they did, and for who, and other family members, and where are they now, and any and all information on my great grandparents. Some day, some one, or I will open the correct door, and all this information will come out, in the mean time, I must keep trying until I find this.
Mike
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Post by DeeDee on Oct 2, 2009 19:44:50 GMT 1
Dee Dee, First off, yes I love you, and thank you for doing your best to help me, but everything you sent, I have gone over several times before, some no good, some they want a fee, and after you pay it, they still don't have anything. Some are only in Polish, and I don't read, write or speak Polish. What I hope to find some day, is information on my grandparents from Poland, like what kind of work they did, and for who, and other family members, and where are they now, and any and all information on my great grandparents. Some day, some one, or I will open the correct door, and all this information will ome out, in the mean time, I must keep trying until I find this. Mike Here is copy from previous forum: I can not find it anywhere in Germany. Maybe I just have yet to find someone who knows...or if it's name has been changed during the wars, maybe someone could find out! Some of our Daberkows think they originate from Daberkow, Germany, but I can find no record of that in our history, and think they are from former Poland. I hope you read last post. I copy it from Rootwebs.
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Post by valpomike on Oct 2, 2009 20:34:58 GMT 1
My last name is DABROWSKI, and there are several in Poland, many who I have checked with, and none came from, or wanted to come from Germany. We are Polish, and only Polish.
Mike
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Post by DeeDee on Oct 2, 2009 20:57:10 GMT 1
My last name is DABROWSKI, and there are several in Poland, many who I have checked with, and none came from, or wanted to come from Germany. We are Polish, and only Polish. Mike www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/This will help you to understand history of your names and where it come from. I know you are surprised. This is how I find out mine. I was shocked too.
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Post by valpomike on Oct 2, 2009 21:19:44 GMT 1
When I go to the site you posted, I get a service that is selling books, and reports, that I have used in the past, without any luck. They take you money, and than say, there are no records, but do not refund you fee.
Mike
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Post by DeeDee on Oct 2, 2009 21:32:36 GMT 1
When I go to the site you posted, I get a service that is selling books, and reports, that I have used in the past, without any luck. They take you money, and than say, there are no records, but do not refund you fee. Mike I think your computer isn't working right. I went to Google and typed Dabrowski - Germany. There are lot of them living in Germany. Few in Poland. I think you should go on your website and type FamilyTrees or whatever. I don't know if you know what you doing. I can find lot of Daberkow - Dabrowski on website. You will be surprises.
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Post by DeeDee on Oct 2, 2009 21:40:49 GMT 1
My last name is DABROWSKI, and there are several in Poland, many who I have checked with, and none came from, or wanted to come from Germany. We are Polish, and only Polish. Mike www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/This will help you to understand history of your names and where it come from. I know you are surprised. This is how I find out mine. I was shocked too. Did you click this sebsite. It will take you web. All you have to type last name (surname) look for your lost long families.
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Post by valpomike on Oct 2, 2009 22:29:41 GMT 1
I tried that, and nothing, goes to how to order, for a fee.
Mike
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Post by valpomike on Oct 2, 2009 22:32:43 GMT 1
Dee Dee,
I am not the best on the computer, that is why I ask for help. Sorry, if I upset you. Poland's song has Dabrowski in it, and he did not come from Germany. Several other great Dabrowski's who came from Poland, never had a trace to Germany, nor do I.
Mike
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Post by krystal on Oct 3, 2009 3:14:23 GMT 1
I tried that, and nothing, goes to how to order, for a fee. Mike www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/I think she meant you should click above and look for messages board and click message boards. You can type your last name. I think you would like to know more.
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Post by valpomike on Oct 3, 2009 16:07:25 GMT 1
Can't find a message board, what am I doing wrong?
Mike
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Post by valpomike on Oct 3, 2009 16:14:01 GMT 1
This time I got farther, to the point of a free seven day trial, if I give them all my information and credit card numbers, as I once did and than they said, sorry, we have no information, and I payed the fee, and could not get a refund.
Mike
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Post by krystal on Oct 5, 2009 0:56:22 GMT 1
Can't find a message board, what am I doing wrong? Mike I did find somethings interesting. You can look up: jewishwebindex.com/galicia.htm Keep looking down till you find this paragraphs. Dabrowa - (in Yiddish, Dombrov (n)(a) (Dombrau in German, Dabrow/Dabrowie (in Polish), There are over 20 listed Dabrowa in partitioned Poland and are some are located in in these administrative districts: Dabrowa, Kalusz, Bochinia, Rzeszow, Nowy Sacz, Cieszanow and Chrzanow. There are also some tiny villages of the same name. One is Dabrowa Tarnowska, about 25 miles north of Tarnow. Don't get upset. It is good to know history. It doesn't mean your family. Who knows!
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Post by valpomike on Oct 5, 2009 1:57:39 GMT 1
First you want me to think I am German, and than Jewish. Both could be fine people, but I am Polish, nothing more, nothing less.
Mike
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Post by valpomike on Oct 6, 2009 1:59:45 GMT 1
Next someone will say, my great grandparents were black and they came from Africa. That is as much bunk as some of the things some said, so far.
Mike
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Post by coco on Jan 9, 2010 15:15:43 GMT 1
Now you can look for more informations: Re: John Bloch ... Gruszow Dabrowa Austria/Galicia Posted by: Norbert Stevens (ID *****7365) Date: February 02, 2009 at 15:56:55 In Reply to: help ... Granzow Austria - Galicia? by Sally Blach of 49029 Hi Sally, It appears that our grandfather?s ancestral home was either the village of Gruszow Maly or Gruszow Wielki (located only one (1) kilomerter apart). Both of the villages are in the gmina of Dabrowa Tarnowska in the powiat of Dabrowski in the province of Malopolskie. To view Gruszow Maly on a map, go to the following web site: mapa.szukacz.pl/The map is in Polish. In the white box below Miejscowosc, type in GRUSZOW MALY (capitalized for emphasis only). Then click on POKAZ. Next zoom-in using ZBLIZ and zoom-out using ODDAL. Gruszow Wielki is one kilometer to the east of Gruszow Maly. There are a couple of U.S. records that point to this village. A ?Johann Bloch? arrived in Philadelphia on May 16, 1912 on board the S.S. Breslau. He sailed from Bremen Germany on May 2, 1912. He listed Gruszow Galicia as his place of birth. His destination was Niagra Falls NY where he was going to join a cousin Jan Nowala or Nowak. Johann was 19 years old and single at the time. There is WW I Draft registration card for a John Blach. He was born in ?Dombrowa? probably should be Da~browa with the diacritical mark under the ?A?) Austria/Galicia on July 27, 1891. At the time of his registration on June 5, 1917, he was living with his wife at 886 Hastings Street in Detroit, Wayne County, MI. He was still listed as an alien. He was employed as a machinist with the American Car and Foundry Company in Detroit. Finally, there is a 1920 U.S. census record for the family indexed on Ancestry.com as John ?Black? living at 299 Caufield Avenue East in Detroit Ward 5, Wayne County, MI. According to this document, John was born in Austria/Poland in 1892. His wife Martha was born in Michigan in 1900. They had two (2) sons both born in Michigan: John Jr. born in 1918 and Leo born in 1919. According to the census record, John immigrated to the U.S. in 1911 and was naturalized a U.S. citizen in 1917. He was employed as a machinist with the Car Foundry. I will email you copies of these documents for your records. Best regards, Norbert
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Post by valpomike on Jan 9, 2010 17:19:40 GMT 1
Thank you very much, but my grandmother came from Piotrowice, Poland, and my grandfather came from Brosxkow, or Broszka, Poland, which ever is the correct spelling. I am still working on this, with out any luck, so far. Both are near, Warsaw, so they could not have been any thing but Polish. If you find something on this, please let me know. Again, thank you.
Mike
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Post by coco on Jan 9, 2010 19:13:15 GMT 1
Thank you very much, but my grandmother came from Piotrowice, Poland, and my grandfather came from Brosxkow, or Broszka, Poland, which ever is the correct spelling. I am still working on this, with out any luck, so far. Both are near, Warsaw, so they could not have been any thing but Polish. If you find something on this, please let me know. Again, thank you. Mike Well, I found above message at genforum.genealogy.com/poland/It tell where all Dabrowski lives, no matter what cities your ancestoris came from. I am still searching for my Dad's too. My cousin is helping me. We both have same last name and she found me and we have been helping each others. If she find your ancestors, she will let me know.
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 10, 2010 0:04:57 GMT 1
Mike, in one of the forums I posted a message about your problem.
And I got this reply:
256.2 in reply to 256.1 I have D+browski in my tree. peekaboobrat@yahoo.com
Use the email address and contact the person.
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Post by valpomike on Jan 10, 2010 18:42:03 GMT 1
Sending off a E-mail today, thanks, I will let all know what comes of it.
Mike
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Post by valpomike on Feb 26, 2010 17:34:28 GMT 1
I never got a reply to my E-mail, and am still searching any and all information on my grandparents, from Poland.
Mike
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