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Post by pjotr on Aug 9, 2011 20:11:19 GMT 1
wyborcza.pl/51,75248,10090291.html?i=1 Bo and Tufta, How do you look from Krakow and Warsaw towards the turmoil in London and other English cities. Is this just a temporary phenomenon, like the French riots in 2007 or will it spread through Europe like a wild fire. We have the same problems, cities, neighbourhoods and getho's or ban lieu's in the Western-European cities and capitals. We have these migrant and underclass white people (the riots, firebrands, criminals) too. In London houses, shops, supermarkets and ware houses burn. People lost their homes and businesses. Others lost jobs and property. Cheers, Pieter P.S.- I won't see this happening in Poland!
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Post by pjotr on Aug 9, 2011 21:27:55 GMT 1
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uncltim
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Post by uncltim on Aug 10, 2011 21:36:23 GMT 1
The idea that poverty is the cause for this is disrespectful to the poor. This is pure amorality in action.
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Post by pjotr on Aug 10, 2011 22:42:31 GMT 1
The idea that poverty is the cause for this is disrespectful to the poor. This is pure amorality in action. Again I agree with you Tim. I discussed the situation in England with some friends who dined with me this evening. We have watched the developments in Great-Britain with great care and from differant perspectives. Rightwing, centrist, Leftwing and populist media, and Dutch, British, German, Belgian, Israeli (Haaretz), Arab (Al Jazeera) en American media (I also watched the comments on CNN and Fox news chanal to try to find the American perspective). Our continental, West-European, Dutch view was, the British government and politicians have lost contact with reality and the British police and authorities are to soft, hesitant and passive. This could never have happened in the Netherlands, Germany or France on this scale, because the Dutch, German and French police is tougher, better trained, better equipped, less political correct, and used to disturbances. For decades our police is used to rioting Hooligans, radical ethnic minorities, anarchist violence of squaters and the radical left, domestic and foreign terrorism and etc. If you try to do what that British scum did in Tottenham, Brixton, Brighton and Manchester, the German, Dutch or french police would beat the shit out of ya. I can't understand the Brits, the Metropolitan police. During a large student protest in the Hague in 1994 *I saw a large police force which looked and operated like an army. Armoured police vehicles, jeeps, horse brigage, water cannons. The radical or violent anarchist elements of the student demonstration were quickly isolted. Special squad teams raced with their vehicles to the scene, jumped out of their busses on top of the rioters, arrested them in half a minut and threw them into the vans and drove away in full spead. Their approach wasn't gentle. They were simply ordinairy coppers, and you saw, you could feel they did not like these anarchist punks, and these spoiled students in their eyes. *They were the law and order, and they were there to break the oponent. There were 250 injured that day. Broken bones from police vehicles who drove into the croud, police horses, the massive force of police officers who beat the anarchists and students and etc. There were questions back then in the Duthc parlaiment about the police brutality. But nothing changed the police attitude. Violence and agression against the police increased during the last two decades, and I think the police became even more tougher due to that. They were to soft in the seventees and eightees, and now they want to be respected as the keepers of the law and order again. Again, yes there is violence against the police in the Netherlands, but the reaction of the authorities, the legal system and the police themselves isn't that soft and passive as in Great-Britain. The German, French and American police is even tougher than the Dutch police. I can not understand the built up and the organisation of the British police. I think England is near, but the mentality, culture, authorities and society is completely differant than Continental Europe. Training Dutch police: Student riot in 1994 is suppressed by the The Hague police People who make a mess of their party and the street are taken care of by the Amsterdam police. Cheers, Pieter * I was a student myself, wearing a thick black leather jacket, army boots, black jeans and a black t-shirt. I looked like an anarchist, and could have easily be beaten up by the riot police, because I looked like one of these radical anarchist elements under the students. I was not. I did not cause trouble, did not shout or threw stones at the police, so I was left alone. * Police officers are mostly working class boys who became police officers after a training at a police academy. In my opinion, observing them after several riots and disturbances in The Hague, Amsterdam and Arnhem, these guys don't like the in their eyes spoiled leftist, liberal, highclass and middle class students of universities and the outlaws, outsider subculture of the anarchist squaters. I wonder how they react or live under the hate agains the police and authorities in our society. Drunk and drugged youngsters, civilians, thugs and criminals who use every occasion to attack them. The constant provocations in lesser neighbourhoods, and the weekly problems with hooligans and violence during nightlife (people who go out) in the larger cities and towns. Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year they are confronted with broken families (domestic violence), abuse, crime, vandalizm, suicides, lawlessness, gruesome accidents, riots, vandalism, and deliberate violence and attacks against the police and communities. |
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Post by tomek on Aug 15, 2011 13:16:43 GMT 1
British cityes are very crawded.
I work in East London evry mornin` and I am always suprysed for density their. Cars on the road, people. I feeling I was suphocating.
When too many people living in one place, they go mad. As rats in a shut cage.
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