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Post by alwierz on Apr 23, 2008 2:09:29 GMT 1
Hello,
this is an area of Poland that interests me. My Grandfather John Tobiasz was born in this region, the Straszewo Parish. Any local history or genealogical help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
alwierz
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 27, 2008 9:44:40 GMT 1
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Post by jkustelski on Apr 27, 2008 15:03:14 GMT 1
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Post by alwierz on Apr 27, 2008 15:31:55 GMT 1
Thanks Bonobo, looks likee the site has a great deal of info. I have found a website that has a translation program that I can use. I'll see if the info makes sense after using the translator.
Hi Jim,
Good to hear from you. Hope everything is going good. While you have been helping with the Poznan Project have you seen if the Straszewo Parish would be covered or not? I know that its right on the outskirts of the area that the Poznan Project covers.
Thanks again,
alwierz
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Post by jkustelski on Apr 27, 2008 15:55:22 GMT 1
Brian,
I have transcribed several Parishes which are right on the border (Makowarsko and Byslaw) where some of my family came from also. They were added because some of the towns which were covered were actually in the Poznan District. I am not sure if Straszewo is its own Parish or if any towns are in Poznan District, if it is its own Parish. I will look and get back to you...
How is school going?
Jim
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Post by alwierz on Apr 27, 2008 16:49:00 GMT 1
Jim,
there is a Straszewo village that is included in the Wagrowiec Parish. According to LDS they were kept at the Gniezno Archdiocese, and the Poznan State Archives. Of Course this could be a different Straszewo. I had ordered the Straszewo Parsh microfilm from LDS and will be checking them this week to find my g-grandfathers baptism. If he's not there I will check the Wagrowiec Parish records.
School is going well, I've thankfully finished the Critical Thinking and Writing class. I am now onto Management and Leadership, which is interesting. How have you been? What have you been up to?
Brian
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Post by jkustelski on Apr 27, 2008 17:17:40 GMT 1
Brian,
I am just not sure about this. I see there are 2 Straszewo's.
One is in Kujawsko-Pomorskie and the other is in Pomorskie.
Let me know how it goes when you receive the Parish records and if you find anything. If that doesn't work out- we'll try the other. The LDS site is down right now so I can't look at their Library.
I've been allright, Mom has been in the hospital so I have been spending some time with her but she is back home now. I am going over later to see her and help Dad out. Other than that, just work!
Later,
Jim
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Post by alwierz on Apr 27, 2008 17:27:40 GMT 1
Jim,
I hope your Mom is feeling better soon.
According to my g-grandfathers marriage record it lists both Alekansdrow and Straszewo, so I am assuming that this is probably the Kujawsko-Pomorskie Straszewo that I will find my ancestors. I will definitely let you know what I find.
Brian
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Post by jkustelski on Apr 27, 2008 18:06:05 GMT 1
Cousin Brian, That helps immensely. I found this earlier and think if you haven't seen it will at least give you some history of this area: www.aleksandrow.pwr.com.pl/ang/rys.htmI think now that you are in the right place! Take care, Jim |
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Post by alwierz on Apr 30, 2008 16:11:16 GMT 1
Hello Jim,
Do you know how to read Russian?
Brian
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Post by Bonobo on May 1, 2008 8:09:07 GMT 1
Hello Jim, Do you know how to read Russian? Brian I do. Besides, I know some Russian forum where they can help. |
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Post by alwierz on May 1, 2008 15:34:14 GMT 1
The files I have are .tif format. Any help that you could provide would be great!
Brian
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Post by Bonobo on May 1, 2008 17:03:35 GMT 1
The files I have are .tif format. Any help that you could provide would be great! Brian Whatever format, Brian. Everything can be converted today to jpg or else. But you must somehow send me those files. Use the email in my profile: pawianbonobo@op.pl |
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Post by alwierz on May 1, 2008 21:03:59 GMT 1
Hi Bonobo,
I have sent the files to your email. Thanks again.
Brian
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Post by Bonobo on May 1, 2008 22:13:10 GMT 1
Hi Bonobo, I have sent the files to your email. Thanks again. Brian Dear Brian. I have received them. But it is harder to decipher them than I thought. I am only able to discern single words because the handwriting is obscure and those old Russian fonts are really incredible. It looks almost like Gothic fonts or Runes.  So far I have loaded them onto the Internet. www.republika.pl/jerzybo/1894.jpgwww.republika.pl/jerzybo/1891.jpgwww.republika.pl/jerzybo/1889.jpgwww.republika.pl/jerzybo/Tobiasz.jpgBut I am going to show them at Russian forums. I hope someone will help and gradually you will know more. Brian, you can also try to find some English Russian translation or just any forum and register there for help. Use the addresses I provided and enclose them into your posts. But notify me about the forums which you visit so that we won`t repeat the same request. PS. Why are there 3 pages concerning baptism as you suggested? Rozalia Nowak appears on all of them. Does it mean she bore children whose baptism was recorded under 3 dates in those documents? |
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Post by jkustelski on May 2, 2008 3:37:41 GMT 1
Brian,
From what I can tell and I am having a hard time reading this is:
These are all Baptism records for the children of Michal Tobiasz and Rozalia Nowak.
I am having a hard time finding the name of the child but I believe they are as follows:
1894- Antonina
1891- Adam
1889- Jan?
Last one- I think is Marianna
I have a friend who knows this writing, if you'd like I can ask him to translate the whole thing or we can wait and see if Bo gets a response from his queries...
Usually records like this are written out like a story how the Father brings the child into the Church, claims it is his before God and witnesses and they Christen the Baby and the witnesses or sponsors are mentioned as well as the Mother.
Hope this helps,
Jim
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Post by alwierz on May 2, 2008 13:25:52 GMT 1
Hello Bonobo, I never thought that deciphering Russian cursive would have been so difficult for me to do. ;D You are right, they do look like Gothic Fonts  . Michal Tobiasz and Rozalia Nowak were my great-great grandparents and the 3 baptismal records are of sibilings of my great-grandfather. Michal and Rozalia were the parents. Thanks again for posting these records on Russian forums, hopefully someone will be able to read very old Russian font. Hi Jim, thanks for helping decode the text. I have noticed the addition of a story to the records. I am curious to what the story had to say, maybe it will give more insite into who my family were and add to my families' history. If you think your friend may help it would be great to ask him, just add a post here so we know. Thanks again for the help! ;D |
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Post by jkustelski on May 5, 2008 3:03:28 GMT 1
Hi Brian,
I'll try to get this done tomorrow, if I can open the links at work and get them printed I'll get with my Russian friend around lunchtime and have him look at these records.
I believe the occupation of Michal is also mentioned but I can't tell what it says.
This is why I stick to genealogy in Prussian controlled areas of Poland. (besides the fact that all my family came from that area) I can read and understand some Latin, and German is easy enough to have translated if I can't figure it out. Russian is way beyond my expertise...
Hopefully I will have all the answers for you tomorrow.
Jim
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Post by alwierz on May 5, 2008 15:23:02 GMT 1
Hi Jim,
I've asked a guy here at my work who can read Russian, but he can't figure this old Russian cursive out. Also, I have a guide that shows the "key" words, but it only helps somewhat because I can't read the other words that make the story relevant. So far I've hit many dead ends. Any help you can offer is greatly appreciated.
Brian.
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Post by jkustelski on May 6, 2008 2:49:39 GMT 1
Hey Brian,
It turns out my Russian friend won't be in till next Monday so we will have to wait another week. On the bright side, I have the records printed and ready to go for him.
Sorry, I must have misunderstood when he said he would be back in.
Jim
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Post by alwierz on May 7, 2008 2:21:20 GMT 1
Hi Jim,
Sounds good. By the way I had stopped at the local used book store last weekend, I lucked out and found a copy of the hardcover version of James Michener's "Poland" for $5.
Brian
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Post by jkustelski on May 13, 2008 3:06:51 GMT 1
Hey Brian,
I was indeed correct on the first three records. They are Baptisms for Antonina, Adam and we believe Jan. The last is a marriage record.
The stories go like this:
#1 In the Village of Straszewo in the year 1894 on May 19 at 3pm Michael Tobiasz came in person, he was 37 years old.
They showed the infant (a female) and testified that she was born a day earlier in Straszewo at 4pm.
The Mother was Rosalia Nowak and was 30 years old. The infant was baptised and was given the name Antonina. Witnesses (sponsors) were Valentin Nowak and Marianna Swiantkowska.
#2 Same thing except the infant was born the same day- November 18, 1891
#3 Same thing, we are having a hard time figuring out the name but we believe it is Jan.
The date is July 14, 1889
#4 This is the marriage of Michal Tobiasz and the widow Rosalia Swiercz. The date is October 18, 1885
I would expect a birth year on Michal of about 1857 and Rosalia about 1864. She was only 21 or so when she married Michal so she probably wasn't married for very long before she lost her first husband.
Hope this was what you were looking for and if it were me I might look for one or two more baptisms between 1886 and 1888.
Jim
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Post by Bonobo on May 13, 2008 6:32:59 GMT 1
Hey Brian, I was indeed correct on the first three records. You did a great job with those documents. Thank you on behalf of Brian! And I haven`t received any replies to my requests in two Russian forums yet. Strange guys.... |
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Post by alwierz on May 13, 2008 12:12:23 GMT 1
This is outstanding! I will definitely go back to the LDS and look through the records again and try to find a couple more siblings. A few assumptions are not turning into facts because of this ;D.
Jan would be my great-grandfather John, the birthdate matches. John had listed a Joseph Swiercz as a step-brother on his passenger list. Rosalia child from her first marriage. I have also found a 1910 U.S. Census that lists both Joseph Swiercz and Jon Tobiasz as boarders at the same house.
I'm going to have to search through the Straszewo records again and try to find more information.
Jim and Bonobo, thanks for all of your help!!! Jim please thank your friend at work too. This is great. I hope you can give some pointers on reading the Russian texts.
Brian
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Post by jkustelski on May 14, 2008 2:52:36 GMT 1
Hey Brian, I was indeed correct on the first three records. You did a great job with those documents. Thank you on behalf of Brian! And I haven`t received any replies to my requests in two Russian forums yet. Strange guys.... Well, they're Russians... ;D Actually, my friend Andrei is a really great guy and I am very lucky to have him as a friend. Jim |
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Post by jkustelski on May 14, 2008 2:58:45 GMT 1
This is outstanding! I will definitely go back to the LDS and look through the records again and try to find a couple more siblings. A few assumptions are not turning into facts because of this ;D. Jan would be my great-grandfather John, the birthdate matches. John had listed a Joseph Swiercz as a step-brother on his passenger list. Rosalia child from her first marriage. I have also found a 1910 U.S. Census that lists both Joseph Swiercz and Jon Tobiasz as boarders at the same house. I'm going to have to search through the Straszewo records again and try to find more information. Jim and Bonobo, thanks for all of your help!!! Jim please thank your friend at work too. This is great. I hope you can give some pointers on reading the Russian texts. Brian Hi Brian, Wouldn't Joseph Swiercz be Jan's half-brother?? No problem on the help, if you need me to try to decipher any more of these records just let me know. By the way, I hope you enjoy Micheners book, I've read it probably three times in my life and find it just as interesting every time. The best part is probably his take on the Battle of Vienna. I hope to write something on this in the history section of this forum- someday! Take care my brother, Jim |
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