Irritating anti-Polish hotline Netherlands

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Other government coalition options:

A large national unity cabinet:
A coalition government of the VVD, SP, PvdA, CDA and D66. This would be a moderate pragmatic centrist government coalition of centre-right, centre left and one leftwing (SP) parties.

A coalition of the old political status quo (the old democratic parties):
VVD, PvdA, CDA, D66, GroenLinks and ChristenUnie. This would be a government with a strong christian-democratic (CDA plus ChristenUnie) and social liberal (D66, GroenLinks, the social liberal wing of the PvdA and the leftwing of the VVD) agenda or direction.

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The worst possible option would be the monster coalition of VVD, SP and PVV. That would be a nightmare. If moderated by the centrist parties the SP can do less damage than the PVV has done, but if the SP and PVV will joyn forces that will be terrible. Today they are fierce oponents, because they attract the same voters. The malcontents, the revengeful, the simple minded, the xenophobe chauvinist nationalists, the (new) populists (the people who never voted before, who hate the democratic parties and establisment), the unemployed low- or underclass, the masses of the big city neighbourhoods, the towns and the rural area's (the simple minded peasents, fishermen, sailors, working class and the reactionairy element of the middle class).

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Old news

The opposition of the Socialist Party to immigration and the free movement of labour
www.theweek.co.uk/25095/dutch-advance-socialist-case-against-immigration

www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/holl-j10.shtml

Are foreign students depriving the Dutch of an education?

Two political parties – the Socialist Party (SP) and the Freedom Party (PVV) - have started to voice concerns in the public arena about foreign students who -in their view- push up Dutch prices, and push out Dutch students from popular courses. The latest figures show a 40 percent increase in the number of foreign students in the Netherlands over the past year.

(Comment Pieter. Human Capital is important in the near future and labour migration crucial for Western-European economies [The Netherlands], due to the population ageing. Therefor the Dutch authorities should be glad that smart foreign students want to study in the Netherlands, and perhaps find jobs in the Netherlands, where there are not enough Dutch students to do these jobs.)

www.rnw.nl/africa/article/are-foreign-students-depriving-dutch-education

A Dutch anarchist blog about the SP (Socialist Party)
www.doorbraak.eu/gebladerte/30121v01.htm

[tufta]

Dutch political system seems even more complicated than Polish! Thank you for claryfing it. From what you say it seems that no working coaltition is possible without VVD, in contrast to PVV. Good to know that there's a non-Wilderian wing in the latter.
Thanks again.

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Feb 20, 2012 10:13:07 GMT 1 tufta said:

Dutch political system seems even more complicated than Polish! Thank you for claryfing it. From what you say it seems that no working coaltition is possible without VVD, in contrast to PVV. Good to know that there's a non-Wilderian wing in the latter.
Thanks again.

Tufta,

You are welcome. I tried to answer your question. And yes, the Dutch political system is maybe as complicated as the Polish political system or more complicated, like you say. Don't forget that Poland (thank god) has been a more united Country, due to the ehtnic homogenous character, the fact that most Poles are Roman-Catholic, that the minority populations are small and often Polonist (the Tartar Muslim minority, the Polish jews - who are Poles with a jewish culture or faith. The Calvinist and Lutheranian Poles - also tiny minorities, and the German, Ukrainian and Belarussian minorities). That is the positive inherritance of the Polish Lithuanian commonwealth, which philosophy the pre-war Sanacja regime of Pilsudksi followed too. In my view Pilsudski was a sort of Polish Ataturk, de Gaulle and Churchill (in his meaning for the Brits excusively - not for the Poles-) in one. But back to the subject. The Poles due to their national culture, history, faith (which has also cultural and ethnic elements, because the Polish Roman Catholic faith has a West-slav, Polish, ethnic patriotic -in moderate form- aspect, in the fact that it influences the Polish society, culture, poetry, literature, art and politics -indirectly). The Polish Roman Catholic faith -the non clergical, non church, personal faith of the Pole him- or herself- in sociological, psychological, political, social-cultural and even secular meaning. (You have Polish atheists, humanists and secularists and agnostic or Protestant christian people, who stil have the Roman Catholic culture in their vains, heritage and etc.)
Like Calvinism shaped the Dutch culture and society, Roman Catholicism (in all its forms, shapes, colors and wings) shaped Poland too. The Netherlands is more polarised and devided due tot the regions. The Southern-Catholics with their soft G spoken Dutch (close to the Flemish, they feel a bond with), the Western Calvinist Dutch (Holland in the West. The secular Randstad, core of the country!. With their hard G spoken Dutch. The Dutch I speak.). And the Low Saxon East and North-East, and the Frisian east (the Frisians are a differant type of Dutch).

Those poor Dutch (ironical tone) have to get used to the Slav, Baltic and Hungarians from the East. I hope and truely hope that the European integration continues, that the awareness that Poland is a modern, civilized, important, good, developped and integral part of Europe will descend in the Netherlands. Because the xenoiphobic, discriminatory and polonofobe image that exists in the Netherlands amongst a part of the politicians, rulers, population and youngsters is primitive, backward, and that of an underdevelopped people. Stigmatising a whole group and being racist is a human deviation, a weakness and a lack of empathic feeling, human dignity and the sense of being part of humanity as a whole. For me, as being partly of Polish descent, with a fondness and great interest and connection to Poland, it is a personal insult. An affront of my Polish ancesters, my mother (in the first place), the Polish family in Poland today, and the 100% Polish Polish American family in Milwaukee and Chicaga (my cousings with a Polish father and a Polish mother, who speak, read and write in Polish). So it is not only an insult to Poland but also to the Polish diaspora worldwide.

Cheers,
Pieter

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Tufta,

I wrote this text in my break at work. One of my colleage is half Ukrainian, another half Polish and a third one Bosnian (Southern slav) so with me add to that the Slav element is well presented in this local TV and radio station. I carry my seal (Sygnet) with the Korczak coat of arms with pride. Without dishing up about it or being snobistic about it. Carying the ring with the coat of arms is a part of Polishness and Poland which I carry day and night. It was the ring of my grandfather. He did not have the coat of arms in it, he had a black stone in it. The
the Korczak coat of arms was made in the Netherlands by a Dutch craftsman and put in it by a Dutch jewelry designer. The the Korczak coat of arms in my Seal ring was a present for my 42 birthday this year. The ring has a symbolic, emotional and cultural meaning. It connects me with the Kotowicz family and heritage, and in the same time is a piece of Poland which I carry in the Netherlands, because it is a Polish coat of arms.



Cheers,
Pieter

Links:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korczak_coat_of_arms
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korczak_(herb_szlachecki)

[tufta]

We agree. The only exception is that I find it hard to see stigmatizing as an affront or insult to Poles, Poland or diaspora. Imo insult is when someone deliberately offends i.e. already knows what modern Poland really is, how it is modern etc. etc etc. Here we have rather - as you have pointed- a case of ignorance generally, used cynically by Wilders and co. But maybe I am wrong. Certianly 'my point of obsevration' allows more lenience, as I am not directly confronted, neither do I witness prejudice in everyday life, not so with you.

[tufta]

Pieter, you are surely aware that one strip on yoru coat of arms represents a river flowing through Bosnia? Don't show it to your friend in case he is a 'revolutionary' type, he might nationalize your ring

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Feb 20, 2012 13:52:11 GMT 1 tufta said:

We agree. The only exception is that I find it hard to see stigmatizing as an affront or insult to Poles, Poland or diaspora. Imo insult is when someone deliberately offends i.e. already knows what modern Poland really is, how it is modern etc. etc etc. Here we have rather - as you have pointed- a case of ignorance generally, used cynically by Wilders and co. But maybe I am wrong. Certianly 'my point of obsevration' allows more lenience, as I am not directly confronted, neither do I witness prejudice in everyday life, not so with you.

Dear Tufta,

We agree that my personal frustration and irritation is because of the fact that I live in the Netherlands and experience this unpleasant phenomenon in front of my eyes. The Poles in Poland and in the diaspora hopefully do not feel offended, because these measures are taken by opportunistic prejudiced people. I hope that the connections between Dutch people and Poles who cooperate are stronger on the long term and that the mixed couples, and cultural, diplomatic and financial-economical exchange will continue with mutual consent and benefit. I think that Wilders PVV will be a temporary phenomenon and hope that in the place of his movement a moderate centre right, positive, Dutch patriotic and conservative movement will come to existance, which will respect other European nations like the British tories or the American conservatives do.

Cheers,
Pieter

[tufta]

Just a short message to point to:
wyborcza.pl/1,75248,11190648,Po_co_Geert_Wilders_gra_Polakami.html

It is in Polish, but perhaps you could use Google translator or the like. The author points to the previously underdeveloped notion that the present situation may actually help Polish migrant workers and Dutch society.

[tufta]

Feb 20, 2012 23:39:03 GMT 1 pjotr said:

I hope that the connections between Dutch people and Poles who cooperate are stronger on the long term

Yesteday in 'Klub Trójki' radio broadcast I've listened to how deeply Dutch are involved in the pro-social activities -volunteering, NL Doet, etc

www.polskieradio.pl/9/396/Artykul/544106,Krolowa-holenderska-zakasuje-rekawy

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Feb 21, 2012 9:12:47 GMT 1 tufta said:

Just a short message to point to:
wyborcza.pl/1,75248,11190648,Po_co_Geert_Wilders_gra_Polakami.html

It is in Polish, but perhaps you could use Google translator or the like. The author points to the previously underdeveloped notion that the present situation may actually help Polish migrant workers and Dutch society.

Tufta,

If the google translation was correct, and I tried to make something out of it (because translating from Polish to Dutch is very difficult) the article was exellent. It gives an objective image of the situation in the Netherlands. If you combine it with my subjective analysis you get a good image. The Pro-Polish and anti-Polish or indifferant to the Polish question opinion looks as nearly 50-50 to me. Again you have to take in account that to most Dutch people Poles are people from a country and people they don't know. They ofcourse geographically know where Poland lies and about the communist times, but most people have simply never been there. Most Dutch tourism is concentrated on Western-Germany, Belgium, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Canary Islands and Turkey (a lot of Dutch tourists today go to Turkey). The Poles speak a language they can't understand, and often they hardly meet Poles, because many Poles work hard, go to their pensions, and even have their own Polish shops, church (there are seperate Polish services in Dutch Roman-Catholic churches), supermarkets (in larger cities). Only the Dutch who work with Poles, have a relationship with a Polish person or who has Polish neighbours know the Polish diaspora in the Netherlands (I think).

Cheers,
Pieter

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Feb 21, 2012 9:17:43 GMT 1 tufta said:

Feb 20, 2012 23:39:03 GMT 1 pjotr said:

I hope that the connections between Dutch people and Poles who cooperate are stronger on the long term

Yesteday in 'Klub Trójki' radio broadcast I've listened to how deeply Dutch are involved in the pro-social activities -volunteering, NL Doet, etc

www.polskieradio.pl/9/396/Artykul/544106,Krolowa-holenderska-zakasuje-rekawy

Tufta,

I actually am in contact with NL Doet, because I want to make a local TV interview about this organisation, how this organisation and volunteer action helps charritative foundations and organisations and non-charritative foundations and organisations in Arnhem (like youth education, a youth circus, social activities for the elderly and etc.). It is interesting and good that the Polish radio gave attention to this very good organisation.

www.nldoet.nl/nldoet/144391/

An Arnhem organisation NL Doet helps:
www.circuspoehaa.nl/ ( a circus for children. Children themselves can make circus acts, but in the same time can enjoy watching others - for instance the little ones can watch to older children and adult acrobats who are also active in the circus. This is an unique circus in the Netherlands)





Cheers,
Pieter

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The Polish diaspora in the Netherlands



Polish immigration to the Netherlands has steadily increased since Poland was admitted to the E.U., and now an estimated 135,000 Polish people live in the country. The majority of them are guest workers through the European Union contract labor program, as more Poles obtain employment in this country's light industrial jobs. The growing number of Polish nationals could double in the next decade depending on economic conditions in Poland. The majority of Polish people in the Netherlands are in The Hague (approximately 30.000) but Polish emigres long settled in Amsterdam and industrial towns or cities like Utrecht and Groningen. Polish immigrants arrived to find employment in the country in the 19th and 20th centuries.


A Polish supermarket in the Hague

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Demonstration of activists of the leftwing Pacifist Socialist Party (PSP) in The Hague against the Martial law in 1981 in Poland in front of the Polish embassy in the Hague.

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Feb 19, 2012 2:29:12 GMT 1 pjotr said:

Bo,
My personal experiance is differant. Yes, there are bad elements under the Polish, Bulgarian, Rumanian, Czech and Baltic immigrants who come to work here. But the vast majority is a group of hard working, disciplined people who simply do not have the time to cause trauble, because they get up early, prepare themselves for work, work long days, go back to their pensions, cook, relax, sleep and then another day comes with work.
Pieter

I agree. When I mentioned rabble/cattle, I meant those 10% lowlifes who spoil the opinion of all other guys. Probably they realise that but don`t care.
Unfortunately, stereotypes based on superficial observation of immigrants are very quickly created among host nations.
When a Dutch family walk in the street and see a drunk Dutch man, they say/think: Hmm, it happens. No problem. Most Dutch are decent people.
When they see a drunk Pole, they tend to think that all Poles are like that.

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Karl wrote on Jaga's Forum about this subject:

Feb 15, 2012 2:57:43 GMT 1 karl said:

Of short, as a person, I have always chosen to the perspective of Geert Wilders as a resemble man. Of short time of late though, I wonder if perhaps he {Wilders} has lost some prospective of reasonable and sane mindset.

Excactly! (my reaction)

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Feb 21, 2012 15:18:43 GMT 1 Bonobo said:

Feb 19, 2012 2:29:12 GMT 1 pjotr said:

Bo,
My personal experiance is differant. Yes, there are bad elements under the Polish, Bulgarian, Rumanian, Czech and Baltic immigrants who come to work here. But the vast majority is a group of hard working, disciplined people who simply do not have the time to cause trauble, because they get up early, prepare themselves for work, work long days, go back to their pensions, cook, relax, sleep and then another day comes with work.
Pieter

I agree. When I mentioned rabble/cattle, I meant those 10% lowlifes who spoil the opinion of all other guys. Probably they realise that but don`t care.
Unfortunately, stereotypes based on superficial observation of immigrants are very quickly created among host nations.
When a Dutch family walk in the street and see a drunk Dutch man, they say/think: Hmm, it happens. No problem.
When they see a drunk Pole, they tend to think that all Poles are like that.

When a Dutch family walk in the street and see a drunk Dutch man, they say/think: Silly man. They look at him with a mixture of discomfort, pity -poor guy that he could not limitize himself- and disgust -stupid drunk. Too noisy, puking at our street or doorstep and causing trouble-. ;D

[pjotr]

Feb 21, 2012 15:18:43 GMT 1 Bonobo said:

Feb 19, 2012 2:29:12 GMT 1 pjotr said:

Bo,
My personal experiance is differant. Yes, there are bad elements under the Polish, Bulgarian, Rumanian, Czech and Baltic immigrants who come to work here. But the vast majority is a group of hard working, disciplined people who simply do not have the time to cause trauble, because they get up early, prepare themselves for work, work long days, go back to their pensions, cook, relax, sleep and then another day comes with work.
Pieter

I agree. When I mentioned rabble/cattle, I meant those 10% lowlifes who spoil the opinion of all other guys. Probably they realise that but don`t care.
Unfortunately, stereotypes based on superficial observation of immigrants are very quickly created among host nations.
When a Dutch family walk in the street and see a drunk Dutch man, they say/think: Hmm, it happens. No problem. Most Dutch are decent people.
When they see a drunk Pole, they tend to think that all Poles are like that.

You are right because these 10% are dominant, because in their bad behavior they are dominant, visible, sometimes dangerous -under influence of alcohol, drugs and sometimes in combination with recless cardriving. Some of them are criminals, some of them have serious mental problems (manic depression, schizofrenia, psychosis, depression, autism or borderline), and others are simply irritating and blunt people. A few times I met such Poles in the past 20 years. Drunk Poles in a train, in a Dutch village and in Arnhem. But I have seen 20/30 times more Dutch drunk people.

Unfortunately it is true that when Dutch people see a drunk Pole, they tend to think that all Poles are like that. Saturday I heared an Amsterdam guy say that when he passed a young group of Polish teenagers with a sixpac of beer.

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Feb 17, 2012 0:49:01 GMT 1 karl said:

In of Geert Wilders and the Freedom Partie, if provided the freedom of expression/action, My self would be of his support.

I would never support Geert Wilders and his PVV party.

Even if I would agree with 75% of his ideas.

Why?

From Dutch National and European perspective:

- He isn't independent, because he is funded by the Israeli and American right. He has an Israeli foreign agenda. Eventhough I am not particular anti-Israeli, I want to be able to be independent and to be able to be critical towards Israel if the geopolital situation changes and Israel -for instance- would develop in a wrong direction. (I don't believe that, but I want to be able to be independant and to see things from a Dutch perspective in the Dutch democratic system in the Netherlands. - I don't want any foreign influence on my decision making.)

- I am Pro-European and he is anti-European.

- I want good diplomatic, political, economical and cultural ties and exchange with Central- and Eastern-Europe. He is simply against ties with Central- and Eastern-Europe and wants to stop the -in my view- positive labour migration of Central- and Eastern-Europeans. I think we simply need Polish workers, nurses, truckdrivers and specialists/professionals.

- The European Union in my view gave Europe peace and prosperity (look at the long lasting good relationship between France and Germany, countries that fought three wars in hundred years, the Franco-Prussian War of 1870, the First World War and the Second World war. And in the same time see the exellent relationship, trade and even militairy cooperation between the Germans and the Brits, Americans, Poles and the Israeli's. Who would in 1945 have thought that a joyned Polish-German militairy organisation would be possible? Today it exists in the Multinational Corps Northeast of NATO:
www.mncne.pl/organisation/hq-mnc-ne (with a shared Polish-German command, and Polish-German-Danish cooperations on lower command levels). In fact the Polish-German diplomatic, political and economical ties are exellent. (eventhough the Poles were irritated about German-Russian ties and the questions of the Heimatvertriebenen, that did not harm the goed toes between the countries in the bilateral relationship on government level, within the Weimar Triangle [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Triangle ] and the European Union.

From the Dutch perspective:

- The PVV is to rightwing for me. It is a far right Populist movement.

- The PVV isn't democratic.

Points in the PVV Party programme I don't agree with:

- Recording ethnicity for all Dutch citizens. (p. 11) (This reminds me of the Nazi era, when the jews had a J in their Ausweis, and so ethnic minorities could be singled out)


A non-jewish ausweis of a Dutch national


A jewish ausweis of a Dutch national

- Introduction of a Direct Democracy. (I am a supporter of Representative democracy, the system we have in the Netherlands, Great Britain, Germany and Poland [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy ])
- Restrictions on immigrant labour from new EU member states and Islamic countries (p. 15) (I think we need immigrant labour to survive. Xenophobia and discrimination are counter productive to our national economical and social-cultural interests)
- Removal of resources from anti-climate change programmes, development aid and immigration services (p. 17)
- Abolition of the Senate (p. 19)
- Closing Islamic schools (p. 15) (We have Protestant-Christian, Roman-Catholic, Jewish-Orthodox schools, so why should Muslims can't have their schools. These schools are monitored and checked by the education ministry and the General Intelligence and Security Service or The Secret service of the Netherlands [AIVD] anyway. If there are extremist activities these schools would be closed or they will know everything they do. ). So I am in favor of Islamic primary schools and highschools, with the Dutch education program next to their cultural and religious teaching.
- General Pension (AOW) age must stay 65 (p. 21) (It may sound tough, but in the general economical situation I think we can't afford the luxurity of 65, the age must be 70 to maintain our level of wealth. So I agree with the present government I don't support any way.)
- Governmental communication to be exclusively in Dutch or Frisian (p. 35) (The reality is that we are a mulit-cultural society and we allowed these hundreds of thousands of Turks, Moroccans and others to come here. I have no objection to the government information in Turkish and Arabic next to the Dutch and Frisian language. Yes, I am a internationalist cosmopolitan)

- Constitutional protection of the dominance of the Judeo-Christian and humanistic culture of the Netherlands (p. 35) (The reality is that we are a Judeo-Christian-Humanistic-Muslim-Hindu and Buddhist culture today. The European Islam of the immigrants is a reality today. That scares European, American and Israeli nationalists, populists and conservatives today. The PVV is simular to the far right Israeli settlement movement in the Westbank and in the Knesset. Geert Wilders has the same ideas as the present Israeli minster of foreign affairs Avigdor Lieberman)

- Repeal of anti-smoking legislation in bars (p. 39) (People can smoke outside, and smoking is bad for the public health. I just stopped smoking a week ago. And as a smoker of Cigarettes I was pro-anti-smoking legislation in bars. Friends of mine had troubles with smoking in bars and restaurants, because they were asthmatic, had a respiratory condition or just were non-smokers. For me it was not a problem to go outside to smoke. Now I just stopped smoking for health reasons).

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Points in the PVV Party programme I do agree with:

- No Coffee Shops within a radius of at least 1 kilometer from schools (p. 11)
- Active repatriation of criminals of foreign citizenship and Dutch nationals originating from the Netherlands Antilles (p. 11)
- Deportation of criminals with a Double nationality or single foreign nationality back to their country of origin, after a prison sentence. (p. 13)
- Hard punishment of violence against homosexuals and jews, which particularly comes from the Islamic corner (p. 13)
- Forbid islamic gender apartheid (p. 15) (In the public sphere, in government offices, public places and public/general schools. In their Mosques, private houses and Islamic schools they can do whatever they want as long as it is not agains the Dutch rule and the constitution ).
- Dutch language proficiency and a 10-year Dutch residency and work experience requirement for welfare assistance (p. 15)
- Choosing to defend the essential elements of Dutch culture: freedom of homosexuals and equality of men and women (p. 33)

[pjotr]

Feb 20, 2012 13:56:32 GMT 1 tufta said:

Pieter, you are surely aware that one strip on yoru coat of arms represents a river flowing through Bosnia? Don't show it to your friend in case she is a 'revolutionary' type, she might nationalize your ring

She is allowed to nationalize my ring if she marries me! ;D

[pjotr]

The Polish diaspora

The Polish diaspora refers to people of Polish origin who live outside Poland. The Polish diaspora is also known in modern Polish language as Polonia, which is the name for Poland in Latin and in many other Romance languages.

There are roughly 15 to 20 million people of Polish ancestry living outside Poland, making the Polish diaspora one of the largest in the world. Reasons for this displacement vary from border shifts, to forced resettlement, to political or economic emigration. Major populations of Polish ancestry can be found in Germany, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, France, United Kingdom, Sweden, Ireland and many other European countries, the United States, Canada, Brazil and elsewhere in the Americas. Many Poles can also be found in most Asian, African and Australasian countries. There have also been some Poles in Antarctica, though these journeys have been expeditionary in nature.

Polish jews

A large proportion of the Polish citizens who migrated in the early 20th century were Polish Jews, and these also make up part of the Jewish diaspora. Poland was home to the world's largest Jewish population as late as 1938, a decade before the establishment of Israel. Over three million Polish Jews were killed in the Holocaust by Nazi Germany during World War II next to the three million Polish Catholics (who were killed by German and Austrian Nazi's, Sovjets -NKVD- and Ukrainian nationalists). Most surviving Polish jews subsequently emigrated, since Poland was the only Eastern Bloc country to allow free Jewish aliyah to Israel upon its creation. Many remaining Jews, including Stalinist hardliners and members of security apparatus, left Poland during 1968 political crisis when the Polish communist party, pressured by Brezhnev, joined the Soviet "anti-Zionist" campaign triggered by the Six Day War. In 1998, Poland's Jewish population was estimated at about 10,000–30,000.

[tufta]

Feb 21, 2012 19:03:03 GMT 1 pjotr said:

She is allowed to nationalize my ring if she marries me! ;D

Clever!

[pjotr]

“Ryzykownie jest mówiæ po polsku” – Ma³gorzata Bos-Karczewska
(De Volkskrant 14.02.2012)


Polish pub at the Brouwerschanal in Haarlem

Drodzy Holendrzy!
Przepraszam, ¿e przeszkadzam, ale tym listem naprawdê nie chcê Wam zatruwaæ ¿ycia. Dosyæ jest ju¿ k³opotów z pij¹cymi Polakami, którzy pomieszkuj¹ w przepe³nionych domkach letniskowych i na polach kempingowych.

Tych k³opotów nie da siê ukryæ. Jeœli w pobli¿u mojego miejsca zamieszkania jakaœ agencja poœrednictwa pracy wykupi³aby dom mieszkalny, aby zapewniæ zakwaterowanie tymczasowym migrantom zarobkowym, którzy ha³asuj¹ i nie potrafi¹ siê odpowiednio zachowaæ, równie¿ nie by³abym szczêœliwa.

Sedno w tym, ¿e z tego typu lokalnym problemem czêsto nic siȩ nie robi. O problemach siê tylko rozmawia, wszystko pozostawia siê na ³asce losu. Dlatego trudno siê dziwiæ, ¿e nastêpuje eskalacja emocji, najpierw na poziomie lokalnym,aby póŸniej sprawa uros³a do rangi krajowego problemu. W miêdzyczasie, jak wykaza³o badanie opinii publicznej biura Motivaction, wiêkszoœæ Holendrów ma negatywne zdanie na temat Polaków.

Polacy coraz czêœciej Holendrom podpadaj¹. Odmawia im siê wstêpu do dyskotek, nawet wynajêcia mieszkania. Pomiêdzy Holendrami a Polakami – równie¿ tymi, którzy mieszkaj¹ tu od lat – zaczyna wyrastaæ szklana œciana.

Holenderska policja nie wysila siê zbytnio, aby zg³oszenia Polaków traktowaæ powa¿nie.

Pewna Polka wyzna³a mi, ¿e w Uithoorn (miejscowoœæ pod Amsterdamem – przyp. t³um.) przeœladuje j¹ pewien Holender. W zesz³ym roku mê¿czyzna ten spoliczkowa³ j¹. Potem kr¹¿y³ w pobli¿u jej domu. Od tamtego czasu w³amano siê do jej mieszkania i dwukrotnie przebito opony w jej samochodzie. Policja poprosi³a j¹, aby samodzielnie zdoby³a adres zamieszkania owego mê¿czyzny. Polka nie czuje siȩ bezpiecznie.

Wielu Polaków nie œmie ju¿ mówiæ po polsku w miejscach publicznych, obawiaj¹c siê negatywnych reakcji. Nawet mi siê to przytrafi³o, po raz pierwszy w ci¹gu 31 lat odk¹d mieszkam w Holandii. W zesz³ym roku, w kawiarni przy zamku De Haar (Haarzuilens pod Utrechtem), podczas lunchu z moj¹ polsk¹ przyjació³k¹, zosta³yœmy przez kelnerkê pos¹dzone o kradzie¿ ³y¿eczki do kawy machiatto. Uprzedzenia szybko siê rozchodz¹.

Wirus anty-imigrancki rozprzestrzeni³ siê ju¿ na szersze warstwy spo³eczeñstwa Holandii. Nawet dzieci s¹ ju¿ nim zainfekowane. Inna z kolei Polka opowiedzia³a mi jak to niedawno, na placu zabaw w Amsterdamie, wyzwa³ j¹ oœmiolatek (!) – mówi¹c – „You shit!” – bo mówi³a do swojego synka po polsku. Zwracaj¹c uwagê Holenderce, matce ch³opca, us³ysza³a, ¿e to jej w³asna wina i ¿e powinna mówiæ po niderlandzku. No i oczywiœcie, ¿e Polacy kradn¹ Holendrom pracê.

Czy tak ma wygl¹daæ spo³eczeñstwo, w którym chcemy ¿yæ? Premier Rutte nie chce wypowiadaæ siê na temat strony internetowej Partii na rzecz Wolnoœci (PVV) umo¿liwiaj¹cej sk³adanie skarg na Polaków.

Apelujê do Pana Premierze Rutte, aby wzi¹³ Pan na siebie odpowiedzialnoœæ i nie dopuœci³, aby ‘k³opotliwe’ lokalne problemy przeradza³y siê w ogólnokrajow¹ nagonkȩ przeciwko konkretnym grupom ludnoœci. Panie Rutte, jest Pan premierem tego kraju i wszystkich, którzy w nim mieszkaj¹. Ma Pan obowi¹zek dbaæ o interesy równie¿ nie-Holendrów, którzy poprzez czy to pracê, czy w inny sposób, wnosz¹ korzyœci dla holenderskiego spo³eczeñstwa. Liczê na Pana.

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Dear Polish friends,

Bolkestein turned against his old pupil Geert Wilders in the Dutch NRC Handelsblad yesterday.
He called mister Wilders anti-Polish and anti-central-and eastern European hotline rediculous, and stated that there is no problem with Polish workers in the Netherlands. He also stated that Dutch people are more bothered by the noise and bad behavior of fellow Dutch citizens than Poles. So in that perspective he said: "It is better to erect a hotline for bad behaving Dutch people".

This statement/news of Bolkestein is a set back for Wilders, because Bolkestein is part of the right wing of prime minster Rutte's VVD. The PVV and VVD are oponents in the rightwing corner of the Dutch parlaiment and politics. The Christian democrats are more to the centre.

Cheers,
Pieter

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Feb 20, 2012 13:56:32 GMT 1 tufta said:

Pieter, you are surely aware that one strip on yoru coat of arms represents a river flowing through Bosnia? Don't show it to your friend in case he is a 'revolutionary' type, he might nationalize your ring

Sava

Yes, the The Sava river in Southeast Europe is a right side tributary of the Danube river at Belgrade. Counting from Zelenci, the source of Sava Dolinka, it is 947 kilometres (588 mi) long - the second biggest catchment of Danube tributaries after Tisza and drains 97,713 square kilometres (37,727 sq mi) of surface area. It flows through Slovenia, Croatia, along the northern border of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and through Serbia.



Danube

The Central European Danube river is the continent's second longest river after the Volga. Classified as an international waterway, it originates in the town of Donaueschingen in the Black Forest (German: Schwarzwald), a wooded mountain range in Baden-Württemberg (state) in southwestern Germany at the confluence of the rivers Brigach and Breg. The Danube then flows southeast for 2,872 km (1,785 mi), passing through four Central and Eastern European capitals ([1] Vienna, [2] Bratislava, [3] Budapest and [4] Belgrade) before emptying into the Black Sea via the Danube Delta in Romania and Ukraine.
Known to history as one of the long-standing frontiers of the Roman Empire, the river passes through or acts as part of the borders of ten countries. Its drainage basin is shared by Romania (28.9%), Hungary (11.7%), Austria (10.3%), Serbia (10.3%), Germany (7.5%), Slovakia (5.8%), Bulgaria (5.2%), Croatia (4.5%), Ukraine (3.8%), and Moldova (1.6%).



Tisza

The Tisza or Tisa is one of the main rivers of Central Europe. It rises in Ukraine, and is formed near Rakhiv by the junction of headwaters White Tisa, whose source is in the Chornohora mountains and Black Tisa, which springs in the Gorgany range. It flows roughly along the Romanian border and enters Hungary at Tiszabecs; after passing through Hungary it flows into the Danube in north Serbia (Vojvodina). There, it forms the boundary between the regions of Bačka and Banat. The river also forms short portions of the border between Hungary and Ukraine and between Hungary and Serbia. Once it was called "The most Hungarian river" as until 1920 it flew in Hungary in its whole length (from source to draining).

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Critical MP leaves Geert Wilders' Freedom Party
Published on 20 March 2012 - 1:22pm


Hero Brinkman at his press conference in Nieuws Poort yesterday ( www.nieuwspoort.nl/en_US/home/ )

Dutch MP Hero Brinkman has announced he is breaking ranks with Geert Wilders' Freedom Party over a lack of internal democracy. As a result, the government's support in parliament has been weakened, but Brinkman said he will not withdraw his support for Prime Minister Mark Rutte's minority coaliton.

"All my attempts to democratise the party have failed. I disagree with the Freedom Party strategy and I disapprove of the way the party writes people off," he said in a statement on Tuesday.

Brinkman was critical of the complaints website launched by his party, which invited criticism of Central and East European labour migrants. "Labour migration is legal, and if you have complaints about crime you should go to the police."

It is not Hero Brinkman's first tussle with Geert Wilders. He earlier tried to set up a youth movement within the Freedom Party, but that was vetoed by the leader. Brinkman also repeatedly criticised the lack of internal party democracy; Geert Wilders personally appoints all candidates who stand in elections on behalf of the Freedom Party.

Brinkman, a former policeman, was voted in as a Freedom Party MP with 19,000 preferential votes at the 2010 general elections. He will stay on as an independent MP.


The independent Dutch MP Hero Brinkman

Balance of power
Prime Minister Mark Rutte, who relies on the populist Freedom Party for parliamentary support, was recently castigated by the European parliament when he refused to accept responsibility for the anti-East European website, saying it was "the action of an individual party, not of the Dutch government".

The departure of Hero Brinkman from the Freedom Party group means he now singlehandedly holds the balance of power, even though he says he will continue to back the government.

The minority coalition and the Freedom Party together now have 75 seats, exactly half the Lower House's MPs. The 76th MP, giving the coalition thr narrowest of parliamentary majorities, is Hero Brinkman.


Hero Brinkman at his press conference in Nieuws Poort yesterday

Link: www.nieuwspoort.nl/en_US/nieuwspoort/

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The end of the political relationship between these two men has large consequences for the Dutch political spectrum. The government might fall, or the PVV might loose votes to a new more modere rightwing movement Brinkman might erect. He was a powerful voice inside the PVV party, and was a dissident in that party for quite some while.

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US lobbyists make large donations to PVV, says former MP

Wednesday 21 March 2012



American lobbyists make large donations to a foundation set up by the anti-immigration PVV, Hero Brinkman, the MP who left the party on Tuesday, told a television talk show on Tuesday evening.

Brinkman said he could not rule out the money being used to pay for Geert Wilders' defence on racial hatred charges but declined to comment further on what the money had been spent on. Nor would he comment on the size of the donations.

The PVV is thought to generate significant funding from Israeli and far-right supporters in the US.

No members

Because the PVV has no members, it does not receive government subsidies to run the campaigning side of its operations and relies instead on donations. The parliamentary party is fully funded by the state.

Brinkman also gave the Pauw & Witteman show more information about the PVV's website to collect complaints about eastern and central European nationals. One of the reasons he stepped down from the party was that he disagreed with the website.

Brinkman, a former policeman, said the website had recieved at least 100,000 hits, half of which were complaints about the site itself. Only a fraction of the total were actual complaints, the MP said.

Democracy

Brinkman, an MP for the PVV since 2006, told a news conference he had quit the party because he can no longer accept the lack of democracy within the organisation and the way different groups in society are constantly being singled out for criticism.

His decision means the ruling alliance – the minority cabinet plus PVV – no longer has a majority in parliament, although Brinkman said he will remain an independent MP and would continue to support the government.