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Post by tufta on Oct 24, 2010 12:19:58 GMT 1
How come that in the Netherlands, Poland and the Netherlands people of the aristocratic nobility and bourgeois classes were attracted to socialism and Communism? Wojciech Witold Jaruzelski, Józef Piłsudski and Felix Dzerzhinsky. These are examples which do not fit very well. Piłsudski acted for his compatriots - we are all in concord about that. Jaruzelski acted for his compatriots or against them - we are in perfect disagreement about that. While Dzierżyński acted against his compatriots -all Poles are once againg in concord here. But yes, a strong trend existed among the 'possesors' in Poland to give the means of production to it's users. Strong, does not mean wide. And this did not have much in common with true ideals of communism, socialism. Of changing the whole system in the way communists planned. Not to mention what they actually did... the 'possesors' were simply killed or 'just' pauperisated and the new class of possesors arose. With this difference that they had no backgound to 'possess' wisely, neither cultural nor economical. |
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Post by pjotr on Oct 24, 2010 19:44:11 GMT 1
I had one Communist teacher in my first high school, a militant socialist (Labour leftwing) in my primary school, You were very lucky, compared to this side of the curtain, Pieter ;D ;D ;D ;D I know, because the majority of my teachers were normal, good, and non-communist teachers, who teached me Dutch language, literature, history, trade, geography, English and German. French I only had two years, and so did not do exams in it. I dropped it to focus on English and German which was already difficult enough for me. Ofcourse I regret this later, but it was the way it was. |
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Post by tufta on Oct 24, 2010 19:46:33 GMT 1
You were very lucky, compared to this side of the curtain, Pieter ;D ;D ;D ;D I know, because the majority of my teachers were normal, good, and non-communist teachers, So were mine  But certainly I had more than one communist, or just opportunistic teacher ;D ;D |
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Post by pjotr on Oct 24, 2010 20:05:10 GMT 1
I know, because the majority of my teachers were normal, good, and non-communist teachers, So were mine But certainly I had more than one communist, or just opportunistic teacher ;D ;D Good teachers should be good at the subject they teach and educational, not ideological or bussy with a party line, activism or subjective ideas of their own. I did'nt like the Communist and socialst teachers and did not learn a lot from them. That is what I remember! I wouldn't like a rightwing teacher who teaches his moral rightiousness to me neither. |
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Post by tufta on Oct 24, 2010 21:26:16 GMT 1
Good teachers should be good at the subject they teach and educational, not ideological or bussy with a party line, activism or subjective ideas of their own. Yes, but also a good teacher teaches much more than just his subject. So how to draw a line here? How to check the teachers backround begore he is hired, and not break the law? |
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Post by pjotr on Oct 24, 2010 22:52:12 GMT 1
Good teachers should be good at the subject they teach and educational, not ideological or bussy with a party line, activism or subjective ideas of their own. Yes, but also a good teacher teaches much more than just his subject. So how to draw a line here? How to check the teachers backround begore he is hired, and not break the law? Tufta, A good teacher can be a socialist, liberal or conservative. Silently and privately I prefere a conservative one, because in practice in his more disciplined class, in the motivated atmosphere of the encouragement of achievement and learning, I learned more from these more traditional ways of education than the soft progressive undisciplined ways. But I think most teachers are leftwingers in the Netherlands (can't prove it, but it is the atmosphere at teachers schools which is progressive). That's the way it is. I loved the fact that I probably had the last generation of old fashionate, nearly 19th century or early 20th century kind of older teachers, who were decent, strict, very good at their subject and in general as information and knowledge messangers. I had a great German teacher, who was a cultivated man and tought us Goethe, Heinrich Heine, and Gunther Grass, showed us German movies, told us about his experiances and travels to East- and West Germany and knew how to learn us the for Dutch people complicated German grammar, verbs and German words, who sound sometimes like Dutch, but in the same time often meant the opposite of the Dutch meaning. For instance Das Meer is the Sea (Zee) in Dutch and the der See (the lake, is Meer in Dutch). The same with the English lady who was my English teacher. How fortunately I was. The history teacher was a great man. He knew to inspire us, had discipline in class and knew how to get our attention with his stories, his humour, his knowledge, and his physical appearance. After school he was our school theatre director and enthousiast. With the same energy, intellect and enthousiasm he tought us history he guided us pupils in the proces of working towards a school theatre performance in the school theatre a few months later. That school theatre meant a great deal for me, for my development. I don't know where to draw the line Tufta. We know what a good teacher is, a dedicated, well trained, experianced, sophisticated teacher. Pieter |
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Post by tufta on Nov 1, 2010 20:19:24 GMT 1
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Post by tufta on Nov 16, 2010 16:41:50 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Dec 1, 2010 2:06:12 GMT 1
Isobel (Björk)
In a forest pitch-dark
Glowed the tiniest spark
It burst into flame
Like me, like me
My name isobel
Married to myself
My love isobel
Living by herself
In a heart full of dust
Lives a creature called lust
It surprises and scares
Like me,like me
My name isobel
Married to myself
My love isobel
Living by herself
When she does it she means to
Moth delivers her message
Unexplained on your collar
Crawling in silence
A simple excuse
Nana na nana, nana na nana
Nana na nana, nana na nana
In a tower of steel
Nature forges a deal
To raise wonderful hell
Like me, like me
My name isobel
Married to myself
My love isobel
Living by herself
When she does it she means to
Moth delivers her message
Unexplained on your collar
Crawling in silence
A simple excuse
Nana na nana, nana na nana X6
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Post by tufta on Dec 6, 2010 19:37:00 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Dec 6, 2010 23:17:22 GMT 1
Requiem for a dream was a hectic movie Tufta!
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Post by tufta on May 6, 2011 21:10:47 GMT 1
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Post by valpomike on May 6, 2011 23:49:43 GMT 1
Great sound, I hope someday to be able to undestand the words.
Mike
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Post by tufta on Feb 21, 2013 21:48:42 GMT 1
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But certainly I had more than one communist, or just opportunistic teacher ;D ;D
