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Post by Bonobo on Jun 13, 2008 10:55:11 GMT 1
When I traveled in Poland, I asked many people if the would like to come to the U.S.A. to live or visit, and most said no. Why is this? I think the people are happy where they are now. It seems the American paradise has expired for most Poles who desired to improve their economic situation. Once going to America was considered a spectacular event, people were able to do everything to get there, today it the American destination is so normal, if not a bit fogotten. Poles have found other promised lands. I have a book published in 1993. It is a guidebook actually, America for Everyone. I am going to translate certain passages which refer to American life style, and I hope we will have nice discussion. Aaa, if I make some scandalous mistakes, please, notify me about it becayse the book is long and I am not going to take care of every detail, simply speaking, the translation might be hasty. Introduction. Is America for everyone who dreams about it? Based on my own experience and other people`s too, I must decisively say - it isn`t. America is only for the strong and active. People with a passive attitude and accustomed to state care will run into a lot of problems. On the other hand, it is not necessary for those hard working, enterprising people to go to America because they have more chances in Poland where capitalist economy generously rewards undertaken risk and initiative. Starting a business is easier in Poland where you operate in the familar environment and know the language. A lot of businessmen live their American dream without leaving Poland. For them America is in Poland. If, dear reader, you live in Poland and think that in America you will get rid of everyday life problems, boredom, grey realkity, then it is better for you to revise your belief. You can be happy everywhere, you only need to want it, and work hard for the success. Problems are usually within us. We can run away only from places, not from ourselves. (..) Immediately upon the arrival the new comer is confronted with a tight barrier isolating him/her from the surrounding reality: the barrier is the language, system, rules so different than Polish ones. Those who can`t break this wall in order to understand American reality, they will certainly fail. Just like in nature the weaker one falls prey to the stronger, so in a capitalist society, especially so predatory as America can be, the weak one becomes a victim of conmen, or their own ignorance. |
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Post by jeanne on Jun 13, 2008 23:37:35 GMT 1
It seems to me that most of this advice would apply to anyone from one country immigrating to another country...it doesn't necessarily have to be the US and Poland. Problems with language, cultural differences, conmen, and being taken advantage of exist almost everywhere.
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Post by gigi on Jun 14, 2008 0:00:42 GMT 1
America is only for the strong and active. People with a passive attitude and accustomed to state care will run into a lot of problems. Sometimes. We also have many people who depend on government aid. Sometimes it is used to assist those who can't quite make ends meet. Other times it is used to give people an opportunity to make positive changes for their future. But sometimes it is used to support those who feel they are entitled to it and don't want to be contributors to society. I think that the US offers opportunities for those who are willing to work hard. One problem that some immigrants face is that when they come here and see some of the opportunities and material goods that Americans have, they want to have the same things right away and grow impatient with having to work for them over time. |
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Post by tufta on Jun 14, 2008 4:43:32 GMT 1
We can run away only from places, not from ourselves. These are the words of wisdom. Rarely people fully understand this deep words. I wonder who wrote the book you're translating? I've heard Janusz Głowacki say these words while I visited New York. My three cents, since you always say the more the merrier, Bonobo. There're three sides to emigration to America. One side is active people who have to do a lot of life to feel fulfilled. They are precious to America and they are precious to the 'old home' countries. And there're those who think it is too hard to fulfill their dream in the home countries they originate from (usually while the home country is in dire straits). The third group is those who immigrate due to critical reasons - political or economical. Each group has it's own problems, sometimes they do not even notice the problems of the other group. Just like in home countries, the 'claiming people' don't even notice the problems of active people, and vice versa. And to finish - I agree with Jeanne, the text applies to any emigration/immigration. I am waiting impatiently for the continuation. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 20, 2008 10:34:18 GMT 1
One or two year long stay in the USA and getting to know the most basic routes (house, work, bank and church) may give someone a false feeling of intimate relation with America. In Poland the choice was rare and people`s lives were determined by external factors. Whereas America is very complicated, offers its citizens an incredible choice in every field. At every stage of life one is confronted with the necessity to make a choice from many alternatives. Commercialism is a reason that those inferior alternatives are advertised more aggressively, leading customers into a trap. Life success or failure depend on our ability to take a right decision. Sometimes it is possible to lose, not only by taking a wrong decision, but also by taking none.
In America you can count only on yourself. Although US has always sucked sap from the incoming stream of immigrants, it doesn`t love them in the beginning. Immigration regulations are strict, and learning a language, finding a job or apartment is immigrants` sole business.
America begins to like immigrants when they become legal and pay taxes. But priviliges of this status are not too considerable, compared to countries of Western Europe where people are protected by multiple social safety regulations. In US you cannot count on the state to provide education to your children, give you steady work, help you in case of unemployment or provide sufficient pension. When a disaster happens in your life, the state`s role is to offer you enough so that you won`t die in the street. No more.
In US you should count on yourself because professional advice and help might be worth much less than money you spend on it. As newcomers realise quite soon, there are many frauds and conmen in US, and the morale of many professionals is dubious. It is a fact that the interest of various agents, specialists and councellors doesn`t match customer`s interests.
Who is US for, then? For people with open-minded attitude, ambitious, energetic, going ahead. A proberb says: "In America God helps only those who help themselves."
That was the introduction to the book by its author.
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Post by gigi on Jun 21, 2008 0:19:58 GMT 1
In Poland the choice was rare and people`s lives were determined by external factors. Whereas America is very complicated, offers its citizens an incredible choice in every field. Isn't that what motivates some to immigrate - the variety of choices and the opportunity to make those choices? This country was formed by immigrants. When waves of additional immigrants began to arrive, the country was further shaped by what they brought with them - their strong work ethic, their values, their cultural beliefs, their languages, and most of all their dreams for a better life. That is still true today. Are immigration regulations more strict than they are for other countries? I honestly don't know. What does seem to be true is that immigrants from "established" immigrant groups have an easier time of it than those from the "new" immigrant groups. For example, it is probably more challenging for someone from Somalia to immigrate today than it is for someone from Poland since in addition to a potential language barrier and economic inequalities, a Somali may also face many significant cultural differences and racism. As for learning the language, finding a job, and finding a place to live - is such assistance provided to immigrants by other countries? I am not being sarcastic, I am truly wondering if/where this is done. From a legal perspective that is an incorrect statement. Immigrants are usually expected to seek their employment - the same as in many other countries. Government programs such as Unemployment and Welfare may provide aid in some situations. It sounds as though the author or someone close to him had a really bad US experience! [/i][/quote] My personal belief is that God doesn't help people based on the country they reside in. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 2, 2009 21:47:35 GMT 1
I dont` have time to translate passages from the book about US.
But I have come across a funny post in Polish forums. It reminds me of our British teacher of English at the uni back in 1989. The changes had already started and the guy seemed worried about them. He warned us that capitalist Poland was going to adopt Pepsi Cola culture. He probably meant no values, replaced by cheap consumerism and nasty materialism.
I always thought about his words and my opinion on the guy was always negative. I lived in real socialism (communism) for 21 years. I always prefered Pepsi Cola culture than Socialist Outdoor Folk Museum. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Here is the post:
johncardwell
Today, 18:44
#184
I noticed this inferiority complex in some of the Polish People outside Poland.
Why?
Usually someone feels inferior when they want to be more than they are.
Why would anyone want to be like the USA?
****** fat women.
Terrible Economy.
1 percent of it's population in prisons.
Too many lawyers.
Broken family structure.
Materialism.
Consumerism.
High crime rate.
Rampant drug use.
Citizens killing each other.
Terrible politicians.
High taxes that go to waste.
Unfortunately the Poles bought into this crap.
When they should have been looking at the USA to see how not to be.
There is more to life than a high GDP/capita.
How about Chopin, a devoted wife, maybe some children.
And one of the best popes ever.
But people are stupid.
They want what they don't have.
They think the grass is greener and the only thing that is greener is their eyes.
I think Poland peaked around 10 years ago and the people haven't realized that they aready lost their best treasures.
I think Poland counted most when John Paul 2 was calling the shots.
Now it looks like Poland just becoming another ****** European Country.
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Post by jeanne on Jul 2, 2009 22:21:23 GMT 1
Interesting that the poster referenced John Paul II, as he did see the coming of the Pepsi-Cola culture to Poland and repeatedly warned against it. JPII saw the faults of both Communism and Capitalism, and cautioned people to find their answers to life's dilemmas in God, not flawed political/economic systems.
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 3, 2009 21:54:39 GMT 1
Why would anyone want to be like the USA? High crime rate. Rampant drug use. Citizens killing each other.
North Toledo Home Invasion
4 thugs break down door, terrorize couple, take TVs
The Toledo Blade
6/25/09
Dorothy and Henry Jaworski say they're shaken but not seriously hurt after four thugs kicked in the rear door of their North Toledo home, knocked Mr. Jaworski to the floor, and stole two television sets.
The couple - she's 80, he's 85 - were watching their beloved Detroit Tigers about 10:30 Tuesday night when they heard a bang from the rear of their East Lake Street home.
The next thing they knew, four men, whom they described as in their 20s, rushed into their living room from their kitchen.
One of them punched Mr. Jaworski in the chest, knocking him down after he had risen from his chair.
"He punched me in the chest. I was on the floor. I don't remember anything after that," Mr. Jaworski said yesterday.
"But they took our two high-definition televisions. One was in the living room, and one in the kitchen," he continued.
Their daughter, Karen Wright, lives upstairs and heard the commotion.
"I came right down. I thought my mother had fallen. But they [intruders] were gone by the time I got there," she said.
=0 AThey Jaworskis said they have lived in their home for 59 years and never have experienced a break-in.
Mrs. Jaworski said the neighborhood has changed a lot, and not for the better.
"There used to be a lot of Polish people here, but they left," she said. "I'm Irish myself, from West Virginia."
The couple said police arrived at their home within 10 minutes of the break-in and immediately searched the neighborhood, but found nothing. Mrs. Jaworski said an officer told her usable fingerprints had been lifted from the kitchen.
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Post by paulo on Jul 4, 2009 0:49:20 GMT 1
Remember: This was translated from 1933!
Regardless of the date, this had much practical wisdom, which is timeless.
Bo, you ask what we think of this...I think it was excellent advice. Truly. Unfortunately, Poland lost its free enterprise system shortly after this was written. Then it would have been better to immigrate to America, God willing, even with the language and culture barriers. Because Poles underwent such extreme suffering, particularly from 1939 to 1990, or so. But "hindsight is 20/20", to borrow an American phrase.
Today is a different day, however. In talking history, one can have 20/20 vision. In talking TODAY, you have a challenge. Today is where your thinking separates the "MEN FROM THE BOYS."
For having insight for today, I think one needs: Knowledge of history, Knowledge of how people usually respond to events, Emotional and Mental Health, Good Virtues, and other things. Of course, it is IMPOSSIBLE to fully discern today, but I think all thinking people know that IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS. "If you are wise, you are wise for yourself," and those who follow you.
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 4, 2009 9:12:07 GMT 1
Then it would have been better to immigrate to America, God willing, even with the language and culture barriers. Because Poles underwent such extreme suffering, particularly from 1939 to 1990, or so. Yes, very few Poles regretted their decision to emigrate to US. Even those who were struck with some tragedy probably don`t blame US for that. E.g., in early 1990s I taught a middle aged lady, she was planning to emigrate with her family, got the green card. Her son was getting married then, in his 20s. A few months ago I visited the lady`s neighbour. She showed me the funeral photos of the lady`s son. He was beaten to death, she was vague about it, probably by a gang, I don`t know. I suppose the lady doesn`t blame US for her son`s death because it could have happened everywhere. |
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Post by locopolaco on Jul 4, 2009 19:25:04 GMT 1
Why would anyone want to be like the USA? High crime rate. Rampant drug use. Citizens killing each other.
North Toledo Home Invasion
4 thugs break down door, terrorize couple, take TVs
The Toledo Blade
6/25/09
Dorothy and Henry Jaworski say they're shaken but not seriously hurt after four thugs kicked in the rear door of their North Toledo home, knocked Mr. Jaworski to the floor, and stole two television sets.
The couple - she's 80, he's 85 - were watching their beloved Detroit Tigers about 10:30 Tuesday night when they heard a bang from the rear of their East Lake Street home.
The next thing they knew, four men, whom they described as in their 20s, rushed into their living room from their kitchen.
One of them punched Mr. Jaworski in the chest, knocking him down after he had risen from his chair.
"He punched me in the chest. I was on the floor. I don't remember anything after that," Mr. Jaworski said yesterday.
"But they took our two high-definition televisions. One was in the living room, and one in the kitchen," he continued.
Their daughter, Karen Wright, lives upstairs and heard the commotion.
"I came right down. I thought my mother had fallen. But they [intruders] were gone by the time I got there," she said.
=0 AThey Jaworskis said they have lived in their home for 59 years and never have experienced a break-in.
Mrs. Jaworski said the neighborhood has changed a lot, and not for the better.
"There used to be a lot of Polish people here, but they left," she said. "I'm Irish myself, from West Virginia."
The couple said police arrived at their home within 10 minutes of the break-in and immediately searched the neighborhood, but found nothing. Mrs. Jaworski said an officer told her usable fingerprints had been lifted from the kitchen.
A report was not available yesterday at the police department.let's not kid anyone here.. Poland has plenty of crime too. |
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Post by valpomike on Jul 4, 2009 20:55:26 GMT 1
Crime is world wide, more in some places, less in others, but it is all over.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 4, 2009 22:22:25 GMT 1
let's not kid anyone here.. Poland has plenty of crime too. Loco, don`t fall prey to hostile anti-Polish propaganda.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Of course there is crime but c0ompared to other countries, it is still low. You`d better read this:
First, Polish police reportedly launched a nationwide manhunt for a guy who passed gas when asked what he thought of the Polish president.
The 45-year-old man's wind got him charged with "contempt for the office of the head of state" after police stopped him in a routine check at a Warsaw railway station.
The man reportedly complained that under President Lech Kaczynski and his twin brother Jaroslaw, the country was returning to a Communist style dictatorship. When told to show more respect for the country's rulers, the man loudly cut cheese and was promptly arrested. He was released on bail but failed to show up for court and the judge ordered police to start a nationwide hunt for him. Interpol was alerted.
We should all move to Poland if this is the worst criminal they have.
This article was in the opinion section of the Vallejo Times Herald, and it makes you think. In america we have people being murdered, raped, kidnapped, houses being broken into, vandals, etc.. and the worst thta Poland has for a felon is a man who they claimed insulted the president just by passing gas when asked what the thought of the man. He was arrested for having an opinion. There was no violence, no anger, and yet, thats their worst felon
America has stuff so much worse than this, maybe we should learn to live like the people in Poland. Maybe things are more peaceful out there. Because I for one sure am sick of the fact that its hard to even walk home from school without some gang fighting or something stupid like that. No wonder so many other countries hate america, Look what we do to it. The people just walk all over everyone else and the violence gets worse and nobody really even seems to care.
Someone does wrong, put them in jail, death penalty, probation.. no one seems to notice that now and days we are building ten times more prisons that we are building schools or museums or parks.
In my opinion, why don't we stop building prisons, and work on fixing the people...
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 4, 2009 22:41:34 GMT 1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_PolandCrime in Poland is lower than in many countries of Western Europe. The 2005 surveys placed Poland below the European average, with victimisation rate lower than in Ireland, England and Wales, Iceland, Northern Ireland, Estonia, Netherlands, Denmark, Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden and Norway[1]. Newer studies (2009) report that the victimisation rate in Poland is constantly decreasing, and in 2008 Poland was 25th among 36 European countries [2] [3]. Nevertheless, the 2004 report on security concerns of European Union residents indicates that most afraid of crime is the population of Poland (along with Greece), which does not at all correlate with the actual crime threat[4].
And about a stereotyped vision of US as a crime-inflicted country, with Poland mentioned in each paragraph:
America and Crime
Crimeimage One of the most prevalent ideas about America is that it is a dangerous place to live. The global stereotype remains that America is a largely lawless country, where death stalks the streets of major cities and where casual visitors are vulnerable to being gunned down by paranoid neighbours or policemen. But in fact the picture of America that emerges from a careful review of the evidence is one of a relatively crime-free society.
America’s murder rate is high relative to most developed nations
In Western Europe, the murder rate is around 1-2 per 100,000. In Spain, in Eastern European countries like Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary, and in what are sometimes termed the ‘Anglosphere’ countries, such as Australia, New Zealand and Canada, the murder rate is normally between 2 and 3 per 100,000.
America, by contrast, has a widely varying murder rate, ranging from just over 10 per 100,000 in 1991 to the current level of around five per 100,000. It is notable that most countries of British descent have a higher murder rate than Western Europe (the exception being England itself, although the rate there has been rising over recent years).
The African-American community’s massive homicide rate accounts for most of America’s murders
This rate is around 26 per 100,000, but reached as high as 50.4 in 1991 – figures similar to or higher than Russia's enormous homicide rate (19.9 in 1997). The ‘white’ community in America, which also includes most Hispanics, has a much lower homicide rate at around three per 100,000. This number is not particularly out of line for Anglosphere countries, although certainly at the higher end.
Two factors seem to explain this high black murder rate in America. First is the violence of the drug trade, which is rife in many African-American communities. As crime expert Eli Lehrer notes: “The most likely person to murder you is your fellow drug dealer”. One analysis of a drug-selling gang discovered each of its members had a 7% chance of being murdered every year.[1] Second, the legacy of slavery, Pepperdine Professor James Q. Wilson has argued, has made family structure and community solidarity much less pronounced among African Americans, which has led to problems with fatherlessness and family breakdown that in turn lead to greater disrespect for the law and a male youth culture based around aggression.
One consequence of the high concentration of America’s murders in one community is that most parts of the US experience very few murders. 85% of counties in the United States recorded no juvenile homicides in a typical year.[2] More broadly, murder is by far the least common serious crime and should be understood in that context. It is a poor indicator of overall rates of crime.
Guns and crime in America
America is often associated with high levels of gun crime. But this again is best understood in the context of overall rates of crime. The BBC’s North American Editor Justin Webb, no slavish defender of America, notes how guns help reduce some crimes: “I am fascinated by the fact, as it appears to be, that burglaries while a householder is in a home are far, far fewer in number in the US than they are in the UK. Guns - the argument goes - make innocent people safer.”[3] He notes: “I have met incredulous British tourists who have been shocked to the core by the peacefulness of the place, the lack of the violent undercurrent so ubiquitous in British cities, even British market towns… It is a paradox. Along with the guns there is a tranquillity and civility about American life of which most British people can only dream.”[4]
Overall rates of crime – personal assaults and property crimes – are falling in America and bear favourable international comparison
Comparative studies offer the best indicators of overall rates of crime. Countries differ greatly in their definitions of offences and in the ways that police record crime, and nations’ crime surveys often ask different questions, making direct comparisons very difficult. The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted approximately every two years, aims to overcome these difficulties by asking the same questions of representative samples of different countries’ populations.
Assault and robbery: In the first such survey, in 1989, America fared worst. But in the 2000 survey, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, England and Wales, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Scotland and Sweden all recorded a greater prevalence of crime than the United States. In both Britain and Australia, more than 6% of the population reported being the victim of a personal assault or threatened assault within the last year, double the American rate; 5% of Canadians gave the same response. Nevertheless, high assault and robbery rates are not an English-speaking phenomenon. For example, 4% of French and Swedish respondents were victims of assault, and the French robbery rate was equal to the Australian and English rate, at just over 1% of the population (the U.S. figure was 0.6%).
Property crimes: For burglaries and thefts, Britain and Australia once more lead the way, along with Poland, with the United States taking a middle position before France, Belgium, the Netherlands and similar countries.
Conclusion
When compared with the rest of the developed world, America's non-murder crime rate appears strikingly good. Americans suffer crime far less than residents of most European states and significantly less than other English-speaking peoples do. That goes for all types of crime, property and violence. America's reputation as a country overrun by crime might have been deserved in 1989, but now it's a misconception. The data suggests the United States is one of the safest places to live in the developed world.
americaintheworld.typepad.com/briefings/2008/08/america-and-c-1.html
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Post by paulo on Jul 4, 2009 23:19:38 GMT 1
I thought you folks would like to know, regarding the attack that took place in North Toledo--I live in Toledo, Ohio, USA. The North End, now the worst place in Toledo, used to have many Polish people. Then it was beautiful, even when it did not have much money. You see, the Poles had a reputation for keeping their yards and houses immaculate (spotless). I remember, when talking of North Toledo years ago, before its final demise, that we'd often say, "It's bad, but there are still a lot of old Poles in the neighborhood." This meant: "The neighborhood has not went completely to the dogs yet, because there are still some Polish people there."
Sadly, however, my daughter just informed me that a woman was stabbed a scant two blocks from my house yesterday. Apparently, all the two thieves obtained was $5. That's $2.50 each.
Regarding black on white crime versus white on black crime: From my experience I knew black on white crime was MUCH higher; it was not until recently that I heard statistics about it--50 to 1! That MIGHT seem a bit high, but that is what I heard or read. I'm just the messenger, don't shoot ME!
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 4, 2009 23:48:32 GMT 1
I thought you folks would like to know, regarding the attack that took place in North Toledo--I live in Toledo, Ohio, USA. The North End, now the worst place in Toledo, used to have many Polish people. Where did they go? With fences around the houses?  Fences polandsite.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=customs&thread=534&page=1 I hope it wasn `t fatal. It reminds me of the sad news about a young store manager fatally stabbed by a homeless person for 1 dollar in 1990. I That`s reality, let`s ignore political correctness here. But to my thinking, black crime is the dark legacy of slave trade. The white race is paying for its past sins. |
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Post by paulo on Jul 5, 2009 4:29:47 GMT 1
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Where did they go?
Dear Bo: They simply became upwardly mobile and moved to more expensive, safer neighborhoods. I had posted on another Polish website about what a great reputation, and well-deserved, the Poles had in America, or at least, in my part of America. As a result, many of them began to earn more money.
Maybe I need to elaborate a bit. They believed in hard work and honesty--with no short-cuts; consequently, they were among our better athletes and scholars. (As well as being good caretakers of their property and good neighbors.) I think they really made the best of the opportunities they found in America. Maybe they appreciated the opportunities more than others.
They outdid the other ethnic groups, if such a contest should ever exist.
Which reminds me...did you ever hear of the book, "Reflections on the French Revolution?" It was by Edmund Burke, he of the "all it takes for evil to triumph in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" fame. In the book he protests: 'Wasn't there much good that the Frenchmen's forbears had done? Why could they not have built upon that, instead of tearing down the foundations, good with the bad, and starting ALL OVER AGAIN?' This is something that, unfortunately, happens often in history. Instead of IMPROVING upon tried and true institutions, we engage in Social Experimentation and Engineering. "There is NOTHING new under the sun." That is why these attempts ALWAYS end in failure. There is a reason why many of our customs, traditions, and laws are in place: They work! To throw common sense out, the common sense that has worked for centuries--no wonder our so-called new ideas don't work.
I say all that because I think you Poles have much you can build upon, much good things you can be inspired by and improve upon. The reputation your people made for themselves in America is a great lighthouse, a guide.
I hope I haven't gabbed too much, but I've always thought Burke's ideas were prophetic; that is, timeless. So many times we are good-intentioned, but then have to say, "We didn't know the gun was loaded!" I, myself, am guilty of this lack of judgment at times. What I mean is, with regards to current affairs, we can be so caught up in the stories of an oppressed people, that we empower their only so-called representative--which can sometimes be a terrorist organization. Then when they do their evil, we say, "We didn't know the gun was loaded!"
Examples from the past: Castro, Mao, Bolsheviks, and others.
I will not mention today's examples, because I do not want to start argumentation, but this is common.
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Post by valpomike on Jul 5, 2009 14:52:22 GMT 1
Some, or most people outside the U.S.A. will never understand us, and they think they do, more so the ones that visited here, or lived here for a short time.
It takes a good long time, to become a true American.
Some of the new Americans still pick at us, finding fault with everything, yet if we are so bad, why don't they go back.
If you want to a part of this great U.S.A., you have to work at it, every day, and in every thing we do. Help someone, not just make fun of them.
Mike
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Post by paulo on Jul 6, 2009 23:45:20 GMT 1
Our Good Friend Bo Said: "That`s reality, let`s ignore political correctness here. But to my thinking, black crime is the dark legacy of slave trade. The white race is paying for its past sins." [/quote]
We already have ["paid for past sins"]. America's Civil War was the bloodiest war America has ever had. We lost about 450,000+ soldiers in that war. We went to war to free others. You would have to look awfully hard to find someone willing to die for someone else--especially if they were not of the same family or nationality.
Many blacks use slavery as a manipulative tool to get special treatment today. They are blood brothers of the old slaveholders. If whites were slaves, these kind of people would not dream of going to war to free them.
We must remember the obvious: There are good and bad in every race, and people are generally selfish. This makes the American Civil War that much more amazing. Why? It is amazing that it ever even happened!
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 11, 2009 9:27:56 GMT 1
Like I said, in the past, Poland is full of people who care, even after they have passed away. Here many don't even care for you when you are alive. Mike Yes, I know. Old Age homes are full of retired guys dropped by their children.  I know it from Mad`s Cradle to Grave Primer
 Very funny, though sharply sarcastic about human nature. I like this book, one of my fav, because it is also written in a very simple language. Like a child`s. An excerpt: You are now in your nineties.
Your children still love you very much.
They love you so much
They have decided to send you away for a summer vacation.
Also a winter vacation , a spring vacation
And a fall vacation.
To an old age home.
What a lovely vacation.
An old age home is a lot like a resort hotel.
It has nice airy rooms.
It has a nice big lobby.
It has a dining room.
But there is one big difference.
At check-out time in a hotel,
You pack your things and you carry them out.
At check out time here,
They pack your things and carry you out. That is why I wouldn`t like to live in US. ;D ;D ;D ;D But I certainly recommend you the book. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by valpomike on Nov 11, 2009 18:09:03 GMT 1
I am sure this goes on all over the world, not just here. In fact, I know it goes on in many other places. These are just the young people of today.
Mike
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