Post by Bonobo on Oct 18, 2010 21:56:22 GMT 1
What do you think about in vitro fertilisation?
MPs to be excommunicated for supporting IVF?
18.10.2010 12:35
Roman Catholic Church bishops in Poland have threatened to excommunicate MPs who support state funding for IVF.
Archbishop Henryk Hoser, head of the Episcopal Expert Team on Bioethics, said at the weekend that MPs who support IVF will be excommunicated.
The government announced last week that legislation on state funding for childless couples seeking IVF treatment will be ready soon, though there are competing bills being prepared in parliament on the extent of the funding. Poland currently has no clear laws on the procedure
The Roman Catholic Church has yet to reveal which draft bill on IVF it will support.
In May this year, the Episcopal Council for Family Affairs decided that MPs who support IVF will not be able to take communion. The decision was criticized, however, by Prof. Franciszek Longchamps de Berier, member of the Episcopal Expert Team on Bioethics.
“The destruction of embryos is the same askilling but it is not the same as abortion. Therefore, it cannot be punished in the same way as abortion. Bioethical issues are relatively new and the Church is still reflecting on them,” said Longchamps de Berier.
In June, the Episcopate issued a statement saying that people who perform in vitro cannot take communion until they do penance, but the bishops did not mention politicians who vote for state funding of IVF.
The ruling Civic Platform party has prepared two draft bills which are supposed to bring Polish legislation in line with the European Union's conventions and directives on bioethics.
One project was drafted by conservative Civic Platform MP Jaroslaw Gowin who suggests that in vitro should be available only for married couples. Another bill authored by Malgorzata Kidawa-Blonska, is more liberal on the issue, expanding the amount of couples who could take advantage of the funding.
Meanwhile, the opposition Law and Justice party has drafted two bills banning in vitro completely. One of them, co-drafted by Civic Platform’s coalition partner, the Polish Peasant’s Party, suggests that doctors who perform in vitro should face prison.
Comments: 17
18/10/2010 13:10:28
Blackmail
Government officials should not be swayed by this obnoxious threat and should do what is right for the citizens of Poland who desire but are not able to conceive children through 'normal methods'.
I for one know a number of Polish couples who have had to take the in vitro approach to build a family.
I am conflicted about the funding portion however. On one hand I feel the government should not fund the process but that would then only allow people with the resources to undergo the procedure. On the other hand if they cannot afford the process can they effectively afford to have kind? (A conundrum in my mind)
In any event, from the standpoint of 'legalizing' the procedure, a woman shoul
SW
18/10/2010 13:11:24
A question and comment, Interestingly why hasn't the church in other countries threatened to throw out mps ?
Could it be that in other countries its seen as intefering with democracy and blackmailing people ? Smells like that to me , what adults do in their private lives and bedrooms is no business of the church or anyone else
Fran
18/10/2010 13:30:14
This is a disgraceful attempt by the church to interfere in the political life of the country.
The Catholic Church in Poland is decidedly NOT a Christian Organisation.
Fredrick
18/10/2010 14:07:13
How about considering introducing a strong divide between church and state? I'd love to see a strong statement from both the speaker of the parliament as well as from the president that the esteemed Archbishop Henryk Hoser ought to shut up
Duncan Disorderly
18/10/2010 14:42:03
Let People Choose. Exactly right; this is blackmail. As to your point on funding, there are many couples who can afford to raise children but can not afford the 20 000 zl each treatment costs. I know one couple who needed four treatments, and they know another couple who needed eleven. Threatened MPs should call this bluff and go ahead. As for RC Church PLC, as Fran said, it is not Christian as in Christ-like, but it is Catholic in the dogmatic, unfeeling, cruel Pauline sense. Why is it that you never hear these eunuchs complain when a priest needs open-heart surgery? Surely that's interfering with nature?
Blazejczyk
18/10/2010 14:44:37
Protestant reformation anyone?
dunderhead
18/10/2010 14:44:48
That the church can try and interfere in the democratic affairs of parliament is a disgrace, and this is what critics mean by a clearer separation between church and state.
The really interesting thing will be to see how many Civic Platform MPs are intimidated by the threat of excommunication.
It’s a God send to the new Palikot party, of course…he gets my vote.
m.w.
18/10/2010 14:48:47
In Vitro is like - u can get one child for yourself if u kille five others. It's barbaric!!! Adoption is a better solution for infertility problems!
dunderhead
18/10/2010 15:22:28
I don’t get the catholic church’s stance on this. You would think that anything that encourages another life being born in the this world would be Ok with them. Obviously not.
Duncan D
18/10/2010 15:58:42
m.w. Your grasp of biology is, to say the least, elementary. A few cells is not a child. Women abort naturally more often than we can ever know. I suggest you get your information from sources other than Radio Maria or the Tea Party.
MPs to be excommunicated for supporting IVF?
18.10.2010 12:35
Roman Catholic Church bishops in Poland have threatened to excommunicate MPs who support state funding for IVF.
Archbishop Henryk Hoser, head of the Episcopal Expert Team on Bioethics, said at the weekend that MPs who support IVF will be excommunicated.
The government announced last week that legislation on state funding for childless couples seeking IVF treatment will be ready soon, though there are competing bills being prepared in parliament on the extent of the funding. Poland currently has no clear laws on the procedure
The Roman Catholic Church has yet to reveal which draft bill on IVF it will support.
In May this year, the Episcopal Council for Family Affairs decided that MPs who support IVF will not be able to take communion. The decision was criticized, however, by Prof. Franciszek Longchamps de Berier, member of the Episcopal Expert Team on Bioethics.
“The destruction of embryos is the same askilling but it is not the same as abortion. Therefore, it cannot be punished in the same way as abortion. Bioethical issues are relatively new and the Church is still reflecting on them,” said Longchamps de Berier.
In June, the Episcopate issued a statement saying that people who perform in vitro cannot take communion until they do penance, but the bishops did not mention politicians who vote for state funding of IVF.
The ruling Civic Platform party has prepared two draft bills which are supposed to bring Polish legislation in line with the European Union's conventions and directives on bioethics.
One project was drafted by conservative Civic Platform MP Jaroslaw Gowin who suggests that in vitro should be available only for married couples. Another bill authored by Malgorzata Kidawa-Blonska, is more liberal on the issue, expanding the amount of couples who could take advantage of the funding.
Meanwhile, the opposition Law and Justice party has drafted two bills banning in vitro completely. One of them, co-drafted by Civic Platform’s coalition partner, the Polish Peasant’s Party, suggests that doctors who perform in vitro should face prison.
Comments: 17
18/10/2010 13:10:28
Blackmail
Government officials should not be swayed by this obnoxious threat and should do what is right for the citizens of Poland who desire but are not able to conceive children through 'normal methods'.
I for one know a number of Polish couples who have had to take the in vitro approach to build a family.
I am conflicted about the funding portion however. On one hand I feel the government should not fund the process but that would then only allow people with the resources to undergo the procedure. On the other hand if they cannot afford the process can they effectively afford to have kind? (A conundrum in my mind)
In any event, from the standpoint of 'legalizing' the procedure, a woman shoul
SW
18/10/2010 13:11:24
A question and comment, Interestingly why hasn't the church in other countries threatened to throw out mps ?
Could it be that in other countries its seen as intefering with democracy and blackmailing people ? Smells like that to me , what adults do in their private lives and bedrooms is no business of the church or anyone else
Fran
18/10/2010 13:30:14
This is a disgraceful attempt by the church to interfere in the political life of the country.
The Catholic Church in Poland is decidedly NOT a Christian Organisation.
Fredrick
18/10/2010 14:07:13
How about considering introducing a strong divide between church and state? I'd love to see a strong statement from both the speaker of the parliament as well as from the president that the esteemed Archbishop Henryk Hoser ought to shut up
Duncan Disorderly
18/10/2010 14:42:03
Let People Choose. Exactly right; this is blackmail. As to your point on funding, there are many couples who can afford to raise children but can not afford the 20 000 zl each treatment costs. I know one couple who needed four treatments, and they know another couple who needed eleven. Threatened MPs should call this bluff and go ahead. As for RC Church PLC, as Fran said, it is not Christian as in Christ-like, but it is Catholic in the dogmatic, unfeeling, cruel Pauline sense. Why is it that you never hear these eunuchs complain when a priest needs open-heart surgery? Surely that's interfering with nature?
Blazejczyk
18/10/2010 14:44:37
Protestant reformation anyone?
dunderhead
18/10/2010 14:44:48
That the church can try and interfere in the democratic affairs of parliament is a disgrace, and this is what critics mean by a clearer separation between church and state.
The really interesting thing will be to see how many Civic Platform MPs are intimidated by the threat of excommunication.
It’s a God send to the new Palikot party, of course…he gets my vote.
m.w.
18/10/2010 14:48:47
In Vitro is like - u can get one child for yourself if u kille five others. It's barbaric!!! Adoption is a better solution for infertility problems!
dunderhead
18/10/2010 15:22:28
I don’t get the catholic church’s stance on this. You would think that anything that encourages another life being born in the this world would be Ok with them. Obviously not.
Duncan D
18/10/2010 15:58:42
m.w. Your grasp of biology is, to say the least, elementary. A few cells is not a child. Women abort naturally more often than we can ever know. I suggest you get your information from sources other than Radio Maria or the Tea Party.
