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Post by Bonobo on May 20, 2008 22:31:03 GMT 1
Forgive me this provocative title but it relates to the matter which has bothered me for some years now. It sounds nasty but I feel emotional about the subject and I suppose such a flagrant title should exert more influence than a balanced one. Every month or even more frequently there is a report about a child bitten or even torn apart by a defence dog kept by the family. Most notorious breeds are amstafs, rottweilers and pitbulls of course. There was such a case a month ago. www.zw.com.pl/artykul/241253.htmlAn 11 month old girl was walking in her walker when she accidentally trod on dog`s paw, He got furious, started biting her face until pulled away by other members. The family say they don`t know what got into him, the neighbours corroborate the dog was a peaceful creature, gentle with children. The same with the dog which have torn apart a baby girl after snatching her from the pram in February this year. www.zw.com.pl/artykul/220419.html He had been gentle and careful before. But it is always so. All of a sudden a gentle dog turns into a beast. It may be inhumane to put the blame on parents after they have been struck with such tragedies. But the truth is it is their sole fault. Why are people so stupid to get aggressive dogs when they have children? Fathers excell at this - they mainly decide to get such a dog. Daddys, ease up on those ridiculous attempts to bolster your ego. Most of you are totally unprepared to handle such dogs, you are too ignorant to know and too feeble to control the animal`s psyche which is much stronger than yours. Forget bringing an amstaff or rottweiler into your house, because it equals getting a gun and putting it on the table with safety lock off. There are 11 breeds officially put on the Polish list of dangeorus dogs. Getting one requires a permission which is a simple formality, though. |
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Post by valpomike on May 21, 2008 5:02:22 GMT 1
Dogs are great pets, but children come first, they are a part of us. No dog would every come before my children, ever.
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Post by gigi on May 21, 2008 5:06:20 GMT 1
But it is always so. All of a sudden a gentle dog turns into a beast. Dogs are animals. Given the right circumstances, any dog can become aggressive. If the true intent is to have a guard/defense dog, that doesn't seem to be a good match for a family with young children. What exactly do you need an attack dog to protect? As for the concept of "aggressive dogs", owners of the breeds most often involved in these incidents will argue that the breed itself isn't the problem, it is how they are bred, trained, socialized, and treated. In some cases, a dog who has always been gentle who "suddenly snaps" may actually have some kind of medical problem that has not been diagnosed and/or treated. Some dogs (especially males) will act aggressively if they catch the scent of another dog on a person. Tethering may also increase aggression (territorial defensiveness or personal defensiveness due to their inability to flee if they sense danger). Abuse and/or neglect is also a catalyst for aggression. Dog pounds are filled with animals who have suffered at the hands of their previous owners, and while many people adopt these dogs out of compassion, they often struggle to deal with the animal's behavior later on. I am an animal lover, and I like dogs in particular. I have seen dogs of various breeds snap at and sometimes bite people - young children in particular - and heard the owner's comment that the dog has never behaved that way before. Often times it is a smaller dog, though. There are some specific breeds that seem to be linked to a disproportionate amount of attacks. Maybe that is just skewed media coverage, but there is also a big difference between a dog biting someone and a dog mauling someone. Both behaviors are unacceptable, but because mauling generally involves more significant injury and sometimes death it understandably receives more public attention. Anyone who is considering getting a dog of any breed should thoroughly research the breed to learn its traits and determine if it is a good match for you and your lifestyle. Also, are you willing to put in the time, effort, and money to properly care for and train your dog? Visit the breeder if possible to check out the facility and learn about their breeding practices. If the breed you are considering is prone to certain health problems or behavioral issues, ask the breeder about these specific traits. |
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Post by locopolaco on May 21, 2008 6:37:40 GMT 1
i am thinking dogs should be illegal then. less dogs, less trouble.  ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on May 21, 2008 14:51:04 GMT 1
i am thinking dogs should be illegal then. less dogs, less trouble. ;D Making them illegal isn`t necessary. This text is to make some people aware, either before they get a dog or already after getting one, about possible problems or even dangers. I read a few posts in a canine lovers` forum, some posters were concerned that their dog chases children in the house when they run and play too much. The answer was that it`s normal, because the dog keeps the order in the flock/herd in his canine way. So, people who ask such questions are totally ignorant about the guard dog`s nature. |
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Post by locopolaco on May 21, 2008 15:43:34 GMT 1
i see no need for gun illegalization. |
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Post by valpomike on May 21, 2008 17:23:55 GMT 1
You can control guns, but not dogs.
A good dog, can be man's best friend.
Dogs are good as pets not for protection, than you need a gun.
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Post by Bonobo on May 21, 2008 18:06:03 GMT 1
Dogs are great pets, but children come first, they are a part of us. No dog would every come before my children, ever. Yes, I agree. But it happens that a family already has a dog and expects a baby. Then sometimes dogs are jeloous of the new member and attacks occur. |
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Post by Bonobo on May 21, 2008 18:12:22 GMT 1
i see no need for gun illegalization. Yes, there is some double standard in my thinking,  yet you must admit that much fewer people are hurt in result of dog attacks than of gun usage, intentional or not. |
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Post by Bonobo on May 21, 2008 18:25:34 GMT 1
But it is always so. All of a sudden a gentle dog turns into a beast. Dogs are animals. Given the right circumstances, any dog can become aggressive. If the true intent is to have a guard/defense dog, that doesn't seem to be a good match for a family with young children. What exactly do you need an attack dog to protect? As for the concept of "aggressive dogs", owners of the breeds most often involved in these incidents will argue that the breed itself isn't the problem, it is how they are bred, trained, socialized, and treated. In some cases, a dog who has always been gentle who "suddenly snaps" may actually have some kind of medical problem that has not been diagnosed and/or treated. Some dogs (especially males) will act aggressively if they catch the scent of another dog on a person. Tethering may also increase aggression (territorial defensiveness or personal defensiveness due to their inability to flee if they sense danger). Abuse and/or neglect is also a catalyst for aggression. Dog pounds are filled with animals who have suffered at the hands of their previous owners, and while many people adopt these dogs out of compassion, they often struggle to deal with the animal's behavior later on. I am an animal lover, and I like dogs in particular. I have seen dogs of various breeds snap at and sometimes bite people - young children in particular - and heard the owner's comment that the dog has never behaved that way before. Often times it is a smaller dog, though. There are some specific breeds that seem to be linked to a disproportionate amount of attacks. Maybe that is just skewed media coverage, but there is also a big difference between a dog biting someone and a dog mauling someone. Both behaviors are unacceptable, but because mauling generally involves more significant injury and sometimes death it understandably receives more public attention. Anyone who is considering getting a dog of any breed should thoroughly research the breed to learn its traits and determine if it is a good match for you and your lifestyle. Also, are you willing to put in the time, effort, and money to properly care for and train your dog? Visit the breeder if possible to check out the facility and learn about their breeding practices. If the breed you are considering is prone to certain health problems or behavioral issues, ask the breeder about these specific traits. Yes, exactly. One remark. You say you are a dog lover. Forgive me my opinion but I consider dog lovers strange people. ;D ;D ;D ;D I am a cat lover and I openly admit I dislike dogs because they smell horrible and I am irritated by their submission and fawning to their masters. It is pathetic. I value cats for their independence, it is so fascinating. When I hear how old ladies instruct their dogs on the lawn: Pee here! Hey, where are you going??? I told you to pee here!!! When will you listen to me at last?? and see them pulling the leashes with a poor dog at the end, I come to the conclusion that most people keep dogs to have a creature to direct, instruct, order, shout at, even beat. The dog takes everything and that`s why people love them. It is so nice to have somebody/something under you so that you can do whatever you want. There is an eternal human desire behind it - need to show and exert power. Do you agree or have a different opinion? |
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Post by gigi on May 21, 2008 20:29:59 GMT 1
One remark. You say you are a dog lover. Forgive me my opinion but I consider dog lovers strange people. ;D ;D ;D ;D What about those who love primates? ;D ;D ;D ;D I like cats too, but I have never had one as a pet. They seem a bit boring compared to a dog. What do they actually do all day? As for the smell issue, litter boxes can be pretty gross. See what a nice person I am? This would be a perfect time for me to interject something like "isn't that what a man is for?" You set it up so nicely. But I would never say that. Loco - don't you dare call me any nasty names. I am just messing with you all a bit... There is also a human desire for companionship and to love/nuture another creature - human or not. Many couples here get a dog before they decide to become parents. Not only for the companionship but also to test their "parenting" skills. It is not as silly as it sounds. Dogs are a lot of work, especially puppies who need to be trained on all the basics. If having a dog is too much work for you, you probably aren't ready to be a parent! |
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Post by jeanne on May 22, 2008 1:46:47 GMT 1
i see no need for gun illegalization. Yes, there is some double standard in my thinking, yet you must admit that much fewer people are hurt in result of dog attacks than of gun usage, intentional or not. There may be fewer people killed by dogs than guns, but not fewer hurt by dogs than guns. (and I'm not an advocate for guns...) My husband is a mail carrier and believe me, I've seen some wildly high statistics of dog bites!  |
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Post by jeanne on May 22, 2008 1:50:11 GMT 1
One remark. You say you are a dog lover. Forgive me my opinion but I consider dog lovers strange people. ;D ;D ;D ;D What about those who love primates? ;D ;D ;D ;D Good one, gigi! ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on May 22, 2008 19:34:21 GMT 1
I like cats too, but I have never had one as a pet. They seem a bit boring compared to a dog. What do they actually do all day? They smell sexy all day. We are not talking about boxes but animals.  Don`t mess with Loco! He doesn`t like such jokes. Yes, you are right here, I forgot that aspect. |
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Post by Bonobo on May 22, 2008 19:35:42 GMT 1
There may be fewer people killed by dogs than guns, but not fewer hurt by dogs than guns. (and I'm not an advocate for guns...) My husband is a mail carrier and believe me, I've seen some wildly high statistics of dog bites! Yes, mail carriers in Poland also have hard life, especially in the countryside. |
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Post by gigi on May 22, 2008 22:35:29 GMT 1
Cats smell sexy? Hmm........ Well okay, but dogs shouldn't smell bad if they are properly groomed by their owners. ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on May 23, 2008 8:54:12 GMT 1
Cats smell sexy? Hmm........ Yes. The cat smell turns me on immensely... ;D ;D ;D ;D No, it is the odour which comes naturally from dog`s skin glands, it cannot be removed so easily. It is like people - no matter if they wash or not, you either like their smell or not. |
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