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Post by Bonobo on May 23, 2008 9:09:52 GMT 1
I think everybody has a list of jobs that seem suspicious for various reasons. Here is my list. It was already started when I was younger, my mother warned me about the effects of neglecting my education. She used to repeat that if I didn`t learn, I would end up as a dustman/garbage man or a road builder. Whenever we drove past some construction site on the road, she pointed out to sad men in glossy orange uniforms. They didn`t look too busy and their work certainly didn`t look hard, they were mostly standing on the road (communist work ethos) but the most negative atmosphere created by my mother concerned those orange jackets. It was the most abhorrent stumbling block. I heard constant admoniotions: orange jackets, orange jackets!!! I don`t remember well if those warnings helped me to become a man of education. Probably not. I have always had my own opinion about most things. ;D ;D ;D ;D Here is the stumbling block.  |
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Post by jeanne on May 23, 2008 11:47:19 GMT 1
I think everybody has a list of jobs that seem suspicious for various reasons. Here is my list. It was already started when I was younger, my mother warned me about the effects of neglecting my education. She used to repeat that if I didn`t learn, I would end up as a dustman/garbage man or a road builder. Whenever we drove past some construction site on the road, she pointed out to sad men in glossy orange uniforms. They didn`t look too busy and their work certainly didn`t look hard, they were mostly standing on the road (communist work ethos) but the most negative atmosphere created by my mother concerned those orange jackets. It was the most abhorrent stumbling block. I heard constant admoniotions: orange jackets, orange jackets!!! I don`t remember well if those warnings helped me to become a man of education. Probably not. I have always had my own opinion about most things. ;D ;D ;D ;D Here is the stumbling block. Nowadays the orange jackets are probably making more than teachers!  |
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Post by gigi on May 23, 2008 15:51:28 GMT 1
I think everybody has a list of jobs that seem suspicious for various reasons. Yes, I would include this job on that list: ;D  |
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Post by valpomike on May 24, 2008 0:20:14 GMT 1
But someone has to do it, better her than me. I bet it pays well.
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Post by valpomike on May 24, 2008 23:00:03 GMT 1
I understand that elephant droppings are great for your flowers, does anyone know if this is true?
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Post by Bonobo on May 25, 2008 22:40:03 GMT 1
I understand that elephant droppings are great for your flowers, does anyone know if this is true? Yes, I corroborate this. I have giant ferns in my room, thanks to elephant droppings. There is a problem though - my cat hates elephants and always hides in my trousers when droppings come. It is embarassing sometimes.  |
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Post by Bonobo on May 25, 2008 22:44:13 GMT 1
Nowadays the orange jackets are probably making more than teachers! Hmm, recently teachers got a rise so I am not so sure..... Yes, I am sure now. Last year my former student worked on the road and earned 50 zł per 10 hour work day so it made about 5 zl per hour. Teachers earn much more and have extra bonuses and vacations are paid too etc etc. |
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Post by jeanne on May 25, 2008 23:58:26 GMT 1
Nowadays the orange jackets are probably making more than teachers! Hmm, recently teachers got a rise so I am not so sure..... No, I am sure now. Last year my former student worked on the road and earned 50 zł per 10 hour work day so it made about 5 zl per hour. Teachers earn much more and have extra bonuses and vacation etc etc. Lucky for you all the hard work you put into your education paid off! |
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Post by Bonobo on May 26, 2008 21:43:17 GMT 1
Lucky for you all the hard work you put into your education paid off! Yes, it was pure luck or my guardian angel who directed me to study English. At the time I thought is was completely accidental because I didn` t really know what I could do in life. I just wanted to learn English and read English books in original, without censorship. |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 19, 2008 21:10:03 GMT 1
I started this thread in a humorous way, but from the very beginning I was going to write about certain widely respected jobs which I would abhor to perform... Today the news portal brought up the story of Johnnie Earl Lindsey who spent 26 years in prison for nothing. A DNA test proved he hadn`t comitted a rape for which he was convicted. www.examiner.com/a-1596320~DNA_test_exonerates_Dallas_man_convicted_of_rape.html
He becomes the 20th Dallas County man proven innocent by DNA testing since 2001, although one of those men will be retried by prosecutors. Those 20 cases are a national high for one county, according to the Innocence Project, a New York-based legal center specializing in wrongful conviction cases. I just cannot imagine how the judge who sentenced him feels now. He wasted the accused`s life. How about judges who sentence innocent people to death and the sentecen is carried out? I would never want to be a judge. It is one of the most ignoble jobs in my opinion. |
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 18, 2009 20:48:39 GMT 1
I started this thread in a humorous way, but from the very beginning I was going to write about certain widely respected jobs which I would abhor to perform... Today the news portal brought up the story of Johnnie Earl Lindsey who spent 26 years in prison for nothing. A DNA test proved he hadn`t comitted a rape for which he was convicted. www.examiner.com/a-1596320~DNA_test_exonerates_Dallas_man_convicted_of_rape.html
He becomes the 20th Dallas County man proven innocent by DNA testing since 2001, although one of those men will be retried by prosecutors. Those 20 cases are a national high for one county, according to the Innocence Project, a New York-based legal center specializing in wrongful conviction cases. I just cannot imagine how the judge who sentenced him feels now. He wasted the accused`s life. How about judges who sentence innocent people to death and the sentecen is carried out? I would never want to be a judge. It is one of the most ignoble jobs in my opinion.
DNA clears ‘killer’ Sean Hodgson after 30 years in jail
Teresa De Simone
A convicted murderer who has spent nearly 30 years in prison for the death of a young woman in 1979 could not have been the killer, according to new DNA tests.
The case of Sean Hodgson, 58, has been referred to the Court of Appeal as a matter of urgency by the Criminal Cases Review Commission and he is expected to be freed next week. The commission said that the findings raised serious concerns about the safety of many other murder convictions and called for a wideranging review of scores of cases.
A spokesman said: “We have decided to contact the Director of Public Prosecutions to discuss the desirability of a project to identify and review similar murder cases arising from the time before DNA testing and where testable forensic evidence still survives, which could confirm or cast doubt on the safety of a conviction, and where the defendant is still alive. A guilty plea or the existence of admissions should not exclude cases.”
Julian Young, Hodgson’s solicitor, said: “Will this open the floodgates? I would say anyone who believes that they’ve been wrongly convicted, and thinks DNA tests would help, should contact a lawyer immediately.”
Hodgson, who is mentally ill and held in the hospital wing of Albany jail, was convicted in 1982 of the murder of Teresa de Simone, 22, whose body was found in her car in Southampton in December 1979.
If the conviction is overturned, Hodgson would be one of the longest-serving victims of a miscarriage of justice. The only comparable case is that of Stephen Downing, who was jailed for 27 years for beating typist Wendy Sewell to death in Bakewell, Derbyshire, but released in 2002. Hodgson has continued to protest his innocence but it was only after his solicitors asked last year for a review and DNA testing, a technique that was not available at the time of his trial, that his case was referred.
Hampshire police have now reopened their files and the force is conducting a new murder investigation to find the real killer. A source said: “It is a live and active inquiry.”
Lord Judge, the Lord Chief Justice, will hear the case next Wednesday and it is understood that arrangements are being made for Hodgson to be released into appropriate care. Prosecutors are not expected to oppose the challenge and the commission said there was “a real possibility that the court will consider the conviction unsafe and quash it”.
Miss de Simone, a gas board clerk and part-time barmaid, had been sexually assaulted before being choked to death with the chain of a gold crucifix that she wore around her neck.
Hodgson, of no fixed abode, confessed to a Roman Catholic prison chaplain, Father Frank Moran, that he had killed Miss de Simone when she found him sleeping in her car and began screaming. He said he put his hand over her mouth to try to keep her quiet and ended up killing her.
The confession was made on the first anniversary of Miss de Simone’s death, and Hodgson told the priest that the image of her face was haunting him. The prosecution case was aided by scientific evidence that showed that Hodgson was of the same blood type as the attacker.
But at his trial, at Winchester Crown Court in 1982, Hodgson withdrew his confession and pleaded not guilty. It emerged that he had confessed to hundreds of other crimes, including burglaries that had never been committed, and that the killer’s blood type was common.
Hodgson, who is also known by the first name Robert, did not give evidence. According toThe Timesof February 2 1982, he told the court: “I would like to tell members of the jury I cannot go into the witness box itself because I am a pathological liar.”
But at the end of a 15-day trial, the jury returned a unanimous guilty verdict having deliberated for only 3½ hours. Mr Justice Sheldon, the trial judge, told Hodgson: “It is a verdict with which I entirely agree. I have no doubt whatsoever that you were guilty of this appalling, horrible crime of killing that girl.”
Hodgson was refused leave to appeal against his conviction the next year and has continued to protest his innocence. Last year his case was taken over by a new legal team.
His solicitor asked Hampshire Police to review the evidence and specifically to carry out DNA testing. The Forensic Science Service had stored material from the case in its archives and DNA tests were carried out on body fluids from the crime scene.
When compared with Hodgson’s DNA profile, they showed that he was not Miss de Simone’s attacker.
The case was passed to the CCRC, which referred it to the Court of Appeal as a matter of urgency.
Mr Young said last night of Hodgson: “He is obviously pleased the matter is going forward. He is excited because he is going to be seeing the outside world for the first time in a number of years. We hope he will be released on Wednesday and he will have to make a new life for himself.”
Mary Sedotti, Miss de Simone’s mother, said she was upset and distressed that her daughter’s killer had not been caught and that she was having to relive the events of three decades ago. She added: “He should not have confessed at the time.”
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Post by Bonobo on May 5, 2010 19:51:32 GMT 1
I started this thread in a humorous way, but from the very beginning I was going to write about certain widely respected jobs which I would abhor to perform... Today the news portal brought up the story of Johnnie Earl Lindsey who spent 26 years in prison for nothing. A DNA test proved he hadn`t comitted a rape for which he was convicted. www.examiner.com/a-1596320~DNA_test_exonerates_Dallas_man_convicted_of_rape.html
He becomes the 20th Dallas County man proven innocent by DNA testing since 2001, although one of those men will be retried by prosecutors. Those 20 cases are a national high for one county, according to the Innocence Project, a New York-based legal center specializing in wrongful conviction cases. I just cannot imagine how the judge who sentenced him feels now. He wasted the accused`s life. How about judges who sentence innocent people to death and the sentecen is carried out? I would never want to be a judge. It is one of the most ignoble jobs in my opinion.
"It finally happened, I've been waiting," Raymond Towler, 52, said as he hugged sobbing family members in the courtroom.
He walked from the courthouse, arms around his family members, amid the smell of freshly cut grass, blooming trees and a brisk wind off Lake Erie. Asked how he would adjust, Towler responded: "Just take a deep breath and just enjoy life right now."
He deflected a question about demanding an apology and said he understood justice can take time.
"I think it was just a process, you know, the DNA," he said. "It just took a couple of years to get to it. We finally got to it and the job was done."
In a brief, emotionally charged session, Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court Judge Eileen Gallagher recapped the case, discussed the recently processed DNA evidence and threw out his conviction. She also told him that he can sue over his ordeal.
Towler smiled lightly, nodded and kept his intertwined fingers on his lap.
"You're free," the judge said, leaving the bench to shake Towler's hand at the defense table. The judge choked back tears as she offered Towler a traditional Irish blessing.
Towler had been serving a life sentence for the rape of a girl in a Cleveland park in 1981. Prosecutors received the test results Monday and immediately asked the court to free him. |
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Post by uncltim on May 6, 2010 0:07:52 GMT 1
Bo, A judge in the US doesn't typically have the right to convict anyone of anything. A criminal or civil trial is held with a jury. A jury is 12 random citizens who live in the county where the trial is held. The jury has the duty to determine guilt of a person, The judge is responsible for the sentence to be served if convicted. Often the jury makes a recommendation with regards to sentencing but with certain minimum sentencing laws for many crimes the judge and jury are without option in this matter.
As ugly as being wrongfully convicted is, the fact that we still investigate claims after 30 years is promising isn't it?
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Post by Bonobo on May 7, 2010 19:30:00 GMT 1
Bo, A judge in the US doesn't typically have the right to convict anyone of anything. A criminal or civil trial is held with a jury. A jury is 12 random citizens who live in the county where the trial is held. The jury has the duty to determine guilt of a person, The judge is responsible for the sentence to be served if convicted. Often the jury makes a recommendation with regards to sentencing but with certain minimum sentencing laws for many crimes the judge and jury are without option in this matter. As ugly as being wrongfully convicted is, the fact that we still investigate claims after 30 years is promising isn't it? You are perfectly right, Tim. So, let me add more jobs to the black list: jury members and the police. I would never want to become one of them. ;D ;D ;D ;D They think they are infallible, but it is a false conviction. The wrong decision to persecute and sentence somebody may mean destroying his/her life. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 23, 2010 9:33:21 GMT 1
Fire fighters most respected
22.06.2010 15:37
Fire fighters top a poll of the most respected professions in Poland, shows a new survey.
The poll by the CBOS agency shows that fire fighters are the most socially revered and respected. Almost all respondents (93 percent) have a positive opinion one of the most crucial emergency services.
Soldiers also enjoy a high esteem in Poland. Almost three quarters of Poles (73 per cent) respect them and only every twentieth (5 percent) does not.
Army members enjoy the best reputation among students. The general opinion about police is also positive. Almost three quarters of Poles (72 percent) are satisfied with the work of police officers and only one fifth (19 percent) express dissatisfaction.
The survey also shows that support for the Catholic Church in Poland has decreased by 9 percentage points in comparison with April. Nearly two thirds of respondents (64 percent) have a positive opinion about the Church and one quarter (25 percent) a negative one. Among the Church’s supporters are mainly elderly people, less educated people and inhabitants of rural areas, while among its critics are inhabitants of the large cities and people with higher education.
The survey was conducted on 10-16 June among 977 Poles. thenews.pl/national/artykul134123_fire-fighters-most-respected-.html
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 15, 2018 22:45:07 GMT 1
I started this thread in a humorous way, but from the very beginning I was going to write about certain widely respected jobs which I would abhor to perform... Today the news portal brought up the story of Johnnie Earl Lindsey who spent 26 years in prison for nothing. A DNA test proved he hadn`t comitted a rape for which he was convicted. www.examiner.com/a-1596320~DNA_test_exonerates_Dallas_man_convicted_of_rape.html
He becomes the 20th Dallas County man proven innocent by DNA testing since 2001, although one of those men will be retried by prosecutors. Those 20 cases are a national high for one county, according to the Innocence Project, a New York-based legal center specializing in wrongful conviction cases. I just cannot imagine how the judge who sentenced him feels now. He wasted the accused`s life. How about judges who sentence innocent people to death and the sentecen is carried out? I would never want to be a judge. It is one of the most ignoble jobs in my opinion. A similar case in Poland now. A 42 year old man did 18 years for rape and murder he hadn`t committed. The police, prosecutors and judges made a lousy job because they didn`t believe his family who all claimed he was at home with them when the crime took place. Instead, they believed dubious evidence. 18 years ago    Today       |
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Post by jeanne on Mar 16, 2018 1:47:19 GMT 1
We have cases like this in the U.S. also. It is a tragedy that lives are wasted, but such a good development that innocent people can now be cleared through DNA! Pity the ones who lived out their lives in prison before the DNA identification technology existed.  |
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 16, 2018 22:27:19 GMT 1
We have cases like this in the U.S. also. It is a tragedy that lives are wasted, but such a good development that innocent people can now be cleared through DNA! Pity the ones who lived out their lives in prison before the DNA identification technology existed. I suppose it happens everywhere. I stick to my old opinion - some judicial jobs are dubious. |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 28, 2019 23:00:34 GMT 1
Another job I would avoid doing is the one connected with exploiting people`s addictions and contributing to their health problems.
E.g., selling cigarettes.
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Post by naukowiec on Dec 29, 2019 22:18:44 GMT 1
I would never want to be a judge. It is one of the most ignoble jobs in my opinion. Or a defence lawyer. I have managed to get out of being on a jury 3 times now, which isn't easy as you need a very good reason not to. On one occasion when I was called to appear, I was actually testifying against someone in another trial! |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 29, 2019 23:21:36 GMT 1
Or a defence lawyer. I have managed to get out of being on a jury 3 times now, which isn't easy as you need a very good reason not to. On one occasion when I was called to appear, I was actually testifying against someone in another trial! Derogatory term for defence lawyers is "parrot" in Poland. Used mostly by criminals, but not only.  Wow, I didn`t know about that custom. So, distinguished citizens are required by law to appear in courts as jury members? Very interesting. |
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Post by naukowiec on Dec 29, 2019 23:37:58 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 30, 2019 1:28:03 GMT 1
It is more a civic duty but not easy to get out of. Any citizen that is on the electoral register can be called www.gov.uk/jury-serviceThat`s very interesting as I said, a completely new culture item to me. Before I imgained those jury members are volunteers who apply for the membership out of choice. Good to know sth new. |
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Post by naukowiec on Dec 31, 2019 9:42:21 GMT 1
Before I imgained those jury members are volunteers who apply for the membership out of choice. Believe me, it wasn't something I was interested in doing. I would have hated being on the jury of for example, a murder case. I wouldn't want someone's life to be in my hands, even though I would only be one of twelve. Plus, despite the best efforts of a jury, justice isn't always done. The trial I was testifying in which prevented me from doing jury service on one of the occasions, ended up being a farce. I was one of eight people who testified against my doctor, who was found guilty on all charges and sent to prison. Six of those convictions were overturned on appeal because of a misdirection by the trial judge. I will never testify in court again. |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 31, 2019 14:53:45 GMT 1
Plus, despite the best efforts of a jury, justice isn't always done. The trial ended up being a farce. I will never testify in court again. Yes, so we agree that these are too suspicious occupations for a decent person. )  |
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Post by naukowiec on Jan 2, 2020 9:35:07 GMT 1
I think it is too easy to swing a trial, and many of the judges in this country should be put out to pasture. Especially when it comes to the ridiculously lenient sentences these judges hand out. The judge in my particular case thought the defendant 'had suffered enough given that he would not work as a doctor again, would be on the sex offenders register for life, and had a previously unblemished record'. That's alright then. All boys together. The UK legal systerm is a joke and Poland probably won't be that far behind, given the judiciary scandals!
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 2, 2020 21:10:50 GMT 1
Especially when it comes to the ridiculously lenient sentences these judges hand out. All boys together. The UK legal systerm is a joke and Poland probably won't be that far behind, given the judiciary scandals! Yes, lenient sentences also cause hot discussions and indignant reactions here. But that is the negative side effect of independent judiciary which can`t be really helped - judges are only people. But using a few rotten examples to attack the whole group like PiS are doing today is wrong, of course. And that is why I feel compelled to defend independent judges despite all their faults. |
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Post by naukowiec on Jan 3, 2020 9:43:52 GMT 1
But using a few rotten examples to attack the whole group like PiS are doing today is wrong, of course. And that is why I feel compelled to defend independent judges despite all their faults. Yes, it is a different situation in Poland because the entire rule of law is at stake. |
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