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Post by Bonobo on Oct 16, 2008 19:42:48 GMT 1
This is indeed a horrible tragedy. I'm sure the man himself is now distraught realizing his stupidity. Knowing that he himself caused his child's death will be a life-long punishment for him. I think the marriage would have to be incredibly strong to survive such an occurrence. Often times the death of a child by any means (let alone by accident caused by one of the spouses) can cause a marriage to fail. Of course, with determination and faith the marriage could survive, but somehow, based on the circumstances, I don't think the father, at least, has that strength of character, as indicated by his rather stupid actions. You are so right. |
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Post by tufta on Oct 16, 2008 20:02:28 GMT 1
The God never demands from a man anything wish surpasses man's capabilities. The child is in the house of the Lord already. The parents have been given a heavy cross to bear, something to overcome, to achieve...
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 16, 2008 20:33:13 GMT 1
The God never demands from a man anything wish surpasses man's capabilities. That`s the quote from John Paul II. I saw it on the medieval tower in the town of Chełmno.   For those of us who do not read Polish. what does it say, please. Mike God never demands from Man anything wish surpasses human capabilities. |
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Post by valpomike on Oct 17, 2008 0:39:26 GMT 1
For those of us who do not read Polish. what does it say, please.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 8, 2008 22:46:12 GMT 1
I thought it may be of some interest. Today's edition of 'Rzeczpospolita'daily, first page. This is a decent newspaper I read since, errrr, since ooooooh--ooooh-----oooh, or longer. Hmm, I heard different stories..... It wasn`t a decent paper when Ducks were at power and controlled all state media, including Rzeczpospolita.... ;D Guess, which group of polled people do I suit? ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by jeanne on Nov 9, 2008 13:16:31 GMT 1
Hmm, I heard different stories..... It wasn`t a decent paper when Ducks were at power and controlled all state media, including Rzeczpospolita.... ;D Guess, which group of polled people do I suit? ;D ;D ;D Just a guess, but I think that you would be in the 'not sure' group. I think that you would feel that it would be better to stay alive and work in other ways for indepedence, but I also think that depending on the circumstances, you would want to give the ultimate sacrifice for your country. I see you as a person in a continual battle between your realistic side versus your romantic side...also certain moral issues would come into play in your decision, again, depending on what the circumstances were. Sooo...how well did I do? How well do I know the enigmatic Bonobo? ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by tufta on Nov 9, 2008 14:35:47 GMT 1
Guess, which group of polled people do I suit? ;D ;D ;D I think it is quite clear you're in the front 1% of that 71 which dream about giving life in a heroic fight and leave the rest to the ladies.    |
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Post by valpomike on Nov 9, 2008 17:27:22 GMT 1
Everyone knows where I stand, for Poland.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 9, 2008 17:28:42 GMT 1
I think it is quite clear you're in the front 1% of that 71 which dream about giving life in a heroic fight and leave the rest to the ladies. Just a guess, but I think that you would be in the 'not sure' group. I think that you would feel that it would be better to stay alive and work in other ways for indepedence, but I also think that depending on the circumstances, you would want to give the ultimate sacrifice for your country. I see you as a person in a continual battle between your realistic side versus your romantic side...also certain moral issues would come into play in your decision, again, depending on what the circumstances were. Sooo...how well did I do? How well do I know the enigmatic Bonobo? ;D ;D ;D Neither of you have guessed!  Of course I am in 16% who won`t fight. It would be unreasonable on my part and detrimental to my country to waste my life for the lost cause - let`s remember that in the initial stage Poland always loses independence, because the enemy is always stronger, that`s what life and history taught us. So, there`s no point fighting. I am too precious a member of this society to be thrown as a pearl against enemy pigs in the early development of events. There are not too many people like me here and my country will certainly need me and others of my kind to regain independence when the enemy is weak and it is time for a little rising. |
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Post by valpomike on Nov 9, 2008 17:39:38 GMT 1
At my age, I don't have much left to give, but my life, and I think I would do it for Poland.
Mike
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Post by jeanne on Nov 10, 2008 12:26:30 GMT 1
Neither of you have guessed! Of course I am in 16% who won`t fight. It would be unreasonable on my part and detrimental to my country to waste my life for the lost cause - let`s remember that in the initial stage Poland always loses independence, because the enemy is always stronger, that`s what life and history taught us. So, there`s no point fighting. I am too precious a member of this society to be thrown as a pearl against enemy pigs in the early development of events. There are not too many people like me here and my country will certainly need me and others of my kind to regain independence when the enemy is weak and it is time for a little rising. Did you read my answer carefully? I think I did guess correctly! I said you would not want to fight, but to look for other ways to gain independence...but then I said if the circumstances should change, that you would be willing to die. The circumstances that would have to change for you would be that it would be realistic to attempt fighting for independence. Is that a correct interpretation of your feelings? |
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Post by valpomike on Nov 10, 2008 18:00:08 GMT 1
I don't understand, someone living in Poland would not give up their life for Poland, and why? I can't believe this, Poland being the great place, and the Polish people being the great people they are, who would not give up their life to keep Poland free, and great. Some, I guess, what to take, and not give, is this the case?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 10, 2008 21:18:09 GMT 1
Did you read my answer carefully? I think I did guess correctly! I said you would not want to fight, but to look for other ways to gain independence...but then I said if the circumstances should change, that you would be willing to die. The circumstances that would have to change for you would be that it would be realistic to attempt fighting for independence. Is that a correct interpretation of your feelings? Yes, you stated it nicely, but, silly me, I couldn`t read between the lines. I don`t know what I was thinking about at the time. ;D And when I said nobody guessed, I meant you didn`t guess the right group. |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 10, 2008 22:41:41 GMT 1
I don't understand, someone living in Poland would not give up their life for Poland, and why? I can't believe this, Poland being the great place, and the Polish people being the great people they are, who would not give up their life to keep Poland free, and great. Some, I guess, what to take, and not give, is this the case? Mike Mike, someone must stay alive in order to do underground job with youngsters so that they won`t forget the Polish ideals, language, traditions etc under a foreign occupation. It is a much harder business to live and do your job despite difficulties than to get foolishly killed for nothing. Mean you do I know what??? |
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Post by valpomike on Nov 10, 2008 22:45:51 GMT 1
And take care of all the women, who will not go to war. This job, I would also like, make children for Poland. I could do this.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 21, 2008 12:36:26 GMT 1
Do Polish cities and villages have to look so messy sometimes? I mean these facades of houses. Why don`t people buy some paint every few years and refresh the looks of their houses? No, they don`t, and we get the views of dirty, drab, grey buildings which remind me of communist times. It was much worse then because every building was grey then, while today half of them look nice, so there is an improvement.  This house hasn`t been painted since its creation. It is so grey that it is almost black.  Or why so many new houses are not plastered? Owners linger and do nothing... It is really depressing....  Poles, can you take more care of places you live in? This will help you lead a saner life, and the other people will be in better moods too...  |
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Post by gigi on Dec 31, 2008 19:26:37 GMT 1
I saw the movie 'Valkyrie' last night. I knew that there had been many attempts on Hitler's life by other Germans - mainly by those in the military - but it was interesting to learn more about this particular attempt. Very thought-provoking as well. What if they had been successful...
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Post by valpomike on Dec 31, 2008 21:41:32 GMT 1
Is this a true story, or just made up, for a movie?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 1, 2009 9:47:04 GMT 1
I saw the movie 'Valkyrie' last night. I knew that there had been many attempts on Hitler's life by other Germans - mainly by those in the military - but it was interesting to learn more about this particular attempt. Very thought-provoking as well. What if they had been successful... To the best of my knowledge German military wanted to remove Hitler as they considered him a dilettante. They thought withoput him they would be able to wage the war much better. So, what would have happened if they were successful? Nothing special... Either they would have proved themselves better strategists and the war would last a bit longer. Or they would be worse players in the war theatre and without Hitler`s charisma Germany would have surrendered earlier. |
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Post by tufta on Jan 1, 2009 13:59:13 GMT 1
I saw the movie 'Valkyrie' last night. I knew that there had been many attempts on Hitler's life by other Germans - mainly by those in the military - but it was interesting to learn more about this particular attempt. Very thought-provoking as well. What if they had been successful... To the best of my knowledge German military wanted to remove Hitler as they considered him a dilettante. They thought withoput him they would be able to wage the war much better. So, what would have happened if they were successful? Nothing special... Either they would have proved themselves better strategists and the war would last a bit longer. Or they would be worse players in the war theatre and without Hitler`s charisma Germany would have surrendered earlier. I very much agree with Bo here. Unfortunately Stauffenberg, the 'main officer' behind the plot to kill Hitler was as racist and as Nazi as Hitler himself, which is demonstarted in his memoirs. |
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Post by gigi on Jan 1, 2009 17:50:46 GMT 1
I very much agree with Bo here. Unfortunately Stauffenberg, the 'main officer' behind the plot to kill Hitler was as racist and as Nazi as Hitler himself, which is demonstarted in his memoirs. That was certainly the case in earlier years. Were those sentiments as strong at the time Valkyrie was initiated? |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 1, 2009 19:24:40 GMT 1
Than the movie is much the truth?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 7, 2009 22:04:00 GMT 1
Poland needs to improve the lousy state in herself.
What a Polish murder has to do with bad roads
The gruesome kidnapping and killing of Krzysztof Olewnik exposes some of the government's basic weaknesses in Poland.
By Jan Cienski
GlobalPost
February 1, 2009T
WARSAW — The rise to power of Poland's new justice minister appears torn from the pages of a crime novel.
Andrzej Czuma, a former anti-communist activist, took over after Robert Pazik, a convicted killer, hung himself in his prison cell. Pazik was the third member of a kidnapping gang to have killed himself in prison.
But beyond the tabloid headlines, the change of guard at justice also has to do with Poland's lamentable roads and lack of zoning regulations — all are rooted in the state's inability to perform some of its most basic functions.
"I cannot accept the negligence, carelessness and weakness of the services responsible for this suicide," Donald Tusk, the Polish prime minister, said after accepting Zbigniew Cwiakalski's resignation.
The sloppiness of Poland's prison services is only the latest official blunder in the kidnapping and murder of Krzysztof Olewnik. The handsome 25-year-old son of a well-connected meat magnate was kidnapped in 2001. He was chained up for two years in a basement, tortured and finally murdered several weeks after his family paid a 300,000 euro ransom.
The list of police incompetence in the case is long, from their failure to check the phone number from which ransom demands were being made, to bungling the hand-off of the cash to the gang, to having the documents of the case stolen, and even failing to react to an anonymous note that named two of gang's ringleaders. For months police were convinced that Krzysztof Olewnik had staged his own disappearance.
While officials were incapable of saving Olewnik's life, they were very quick to defend their own interests. Olewnik's father was charged in September with assaulting an official after he reportedly grabbed the lapels of a prosecutor after reading through the case files and concluding that proper law enforcement could have saved his son. The charges were dropped this week.
Poles have followed the story closely because it's gruesome and tragic, but also because it brought official indolence and ineffectiveness into the open.
In one of his first comments after being made justice minister on Jan. 23, Czuma said: "We have to increase the sense of security as well as ensuring that citizens feel that this state is their own."
The sense that the state does not truly belong to its citizens is widespread and deep-rooted in Poland. During the 19th century, when Poland was partitioned among Germany, Austria and Russia, the state was something foreign and its rules and laws were something to be subverted for patriotic reasons. That same sentiment returned after the war, when Poland became a Soviet satellite and, again, the state served a foreign master.
After the end of communism in 1989, Poland inherited the laws, procedures and, crucially, the bureaucrats, of the communist era. Unlike the Baltic countries, which recreated their statehood anew after the collapse of the Soviet Union, building new institutions and training new people, Poles still had to deal with the same rude officials and impenetrable paperwork as before.
The result has been a severe brake on Poland's development.
Despite 19 years of effort, Poland only has about 180 miles of highways, and some of those were built at the behest of Adolf Hitler before the war. Outside of Warsaw, a 2.5-mile bypass took almost 18 years to complete, mainly because of the enormous bureaucratic difficulties involved.
Most of the country's largest cities function without zoning plans. This means that every building project is at the mercy of city bureaucrats, who take inordinate amounts of time to issue permits. The result is a lot of urban development that is ill-thought- out and badly planned.
Every government since 1989 has promised a breakthrough in getting the state to be more responsive to its citizens, and Tusk is no exception.
"My government has in recent months successfully waged a battle against excessive bureaucracy in the government and in the economy," he said in a recent interview. "We are freeing people from the power of bureaucrats. "
So far no Polish government has succeeded in keeping such a promise.
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 18, 2009 16:34:54 GMT 1
What did I do with the spider over my head?  |
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Post by gigi on Feb 18, 2009 17:21:35 GMT 1
What did I do with the spider over my head? Did it become the "fresh catch of the day" for the turtle?  ;D ;D |
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Post by jeanne on Feb 18, 2009 23:38:07 GMT 1
What did I do with the spider over my head? I hope you did one of two things: either you did nothing, or you caught it and safely removed it from the room and placed it somewhere it wouldn't disturb/be disturbed. |
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 19, 2009 11:29:42 GMT 1
What did I do with the spider over my head? I hope you did one of two things: either you did nothing, or you caught it and safely removed it from the room and placed it somewhere it wouldn't disturb/be disturbed. If it was summer, I would catch a fly for the spider. Unluckily for it, it was winter. It shouldn`t have waken up from its sleep. I did nothing and had a companion next to me for a week or so. Only my wife refused to use my computer. |
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Post by jeanne on Feb 19, 2009 12:46:44 GMT 1
I hope you did one of two things: either you did nothing, or you caught it and safely removed it from the room and placed it somewhere it wouldn't disturb/be disturbed. If it was summer, I would catch a fly for the spider. Unluckily for it, it was winter. It shouldn`t have waken up from its sleep. I did nothing and had a companion next to me for a week or so. Yay! Good job, Bonobo. Live and let live is my motto when it comes to little creatures... ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 20, 2009 16:06:47 GMT 1
If it was summer, I would catch a fly for the spider. Unluckily for it, it was winter. It shouldn`t have waken up from its sleep. I did nothing and had a companion next to me for a week or so. Yay! Good job, Bonobo. Live and let live is my motto when it comes to little creatures... ;D ;D ;D Yes, love and let love.
Sex the Polish Way
Wprost
2009-02-14
The Poles have the most frequent sex in Europe, show latest international survey results.
Not long ago sexologists complained that we lag behind in Europe as far as sex is concerned. That we are neither active not inventive in bed. In a word – underdeveloped. Opening up to the world and two decades of economic growth sufficed to make us one of the most amorous nations on our continent. We are better than romantic Italians and sexually liberated French.
Recently published research commissioned by Bayer Schering Pharma shows that 12.6 percent of Poles over 18 have sex every day. Only 8 percent of Europeans from other countries have equally frequent sex. As many as 49.5 percent of Poles make love more often that once a week. |
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