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Post by pjotr on Mar 19, 2013 21:56:53 GMT 1
And in the Ukraine www.youtube.com/watch?Femen is a new wave of radical Feminism with roots in the Ukraine The difference with the past that a lot of pretty blonde Ukrainian girls participate in it. It reminds me of the radical Dutch feminists of the Dolle Mina (Mad Mina) group in the seventies. |
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Post by uncltim on Mar 20, 2013 23:39:53 GMT 1
I love how in the third video she bites her own knee at 1:39. Like the wild beast that she is. I treat the Rad-Fems like the hate group that they really are. Scum manifesto, etc. They said it was "satire", then they shot Andy Warhol. Rad-Fems give lesbians a bad name.
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Post by pjotr on Mar 21, 2013 0:31:10 GMT 1
Jim, What surprises me is that in contrast with the mostly ulgy and frustrated feminists of the past, most of these blond Ukrainian Feminist activists are very beautiful and determined girls or young women. I think like the Animal rights movement, which has an extremist branch, this branch of Feminism might be or become very radical too. The east has a past of radical acticvism. Remember the Narodniks, Bakunin, the Black Army and the Russian feminist punk-rock collective girl thingy Riot (based in Moscow). The radical Feminists of Femen appear everywhere in Central-, Eastern and Western Europe. Let's call them the Wild blondes from Ukraine. I have to say the Ukrainian women have some temperament. ;D ;D ;D ;D  Their predecessor Maria Nikiforova organized the Black Guards’ first unit. Nikiforova, often known by her nickname Marusya, was a Ukrainian anarchist leader who put together the first Black Guards cell in the city of Alexandrovsk in the Ukraine. Nikiforova, who is often compared to Joan of Arc, due to her important leadership in a male dominated conflict from a young age, started the first Black Guards cell in an attempt to bring the land reform and wealth redistribution called for by the peasants to fruition. Nikiforova, a self-proclaimed terrorist, directed her unit of Black Guards to terrorize the Alexandrovsk local government in order to achieve the political change she desired. “ The anarchists are not promising anything to anyone. The anarchists only want people to be conscious of their own situation and seize freedom for themselves.” — Maria NikiforovaCheers, Pieter en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Insurrectionary_Army_of_Ukraine |
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Post by uncltim on Mar 21, 2013 21:31:38 GMT 1
Pjotr, I was pondering this thread today and came to the conclusion that Femen is the female equivalent of Football hooligans.  Both are parasitic of some "cause" and both enjoy violence and disruption for the sake of violence and disruption. Your thoughts? |
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Post by pjotr on Mar 21, 2013 23:11:15 GMT 1
Jim,
My thought is that they are a new kind of radical left, anarchistic movement, which approves violence in the sense of verbal aggression and violent interruptions as a means to show their cause. I don't like screaming people in general, and due to our European history I hate people who scream for a political cause. The Nazi's and Communists were people who spread their message by screaming and loud noise. Sensable messages are brought forward by sensible people who have good ideas, plans and programs, and don't need agression or violence to be heard.
I am curious about their real ideas. Sex tourism, human trafficking (mainly of women and young girls for means of prostitution), the abuse of women and sexual violence exsists. I know that women and girls from the Ukraine and Moldova (often Ukrainian Moldovans too) are the victim of this. So I am not surprised that Femen has its roots in the Ukraine. I mentioned Maria Nikiforova, to show that there is a tradition of radical women activists and activism there.
Jim, I am a moderate in general and disaproves of any extremism, wether it is radical left, extreme right (Neo-Nazism, rightwing militairy regimes and neo-fascism), Islamism (the murder of Theo van Gogh and 911), christian extremism (IRA and UDF/UVV in Northern-Ireland) , Jewish fundamentalist settler terror, animal rights terrorism (Animal liberation Front: The assasination of the Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn), or terror in some parts of Europe by Anarchists. (Copenhagen, Greece, Amsterdam, Berlin, and etc.) It is very simple I dislike racism, xenophobia, intolerance, anti-semitism and extremism in general. So I dislike extreme feminism too. It is anti-male. I am male and am not anti-male, nor anti-female. I like a balance and a certain equality between men and women and mutual respect, but there are differences between men and women. And we shouldn't forget that. For some of my centre-left and leftwing friends I have rightwing conservative and libertarian ideas, for others who are more to the right I am considered a moderate centre-left centrist person ( for some progressives or radical liberals that is conservative too, conservative leftism). I don't know what my opinion is, I know that I believe in democracy, freedom and thus freedom of speech and opinion. Feminists should be free to express their opinion as long as they do not attack other people with other opinions with violent attacks and verbal harassment.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pjotr on Mar 28, 2013 17:41:15 GMT 1
Feminism is and was a strong force in Dutch society and politics in the seventees, eightees and ninetees. I wonder how influential Feminism was and is in for instance the Polish, American and German societies. A famous feminist Pioneer in the Netherlands was Joke Smit, she started the "Second Feminist Wave" in the Netherlands. Joke Smit Joke Smit started the so-called " second wave" of feminism in The Netherlands by publishing " the dissatisfaction of women" ("Het onbehagen bij de vrouw", De Gids 1967) an article about the frustration of many women with their role in society as nothing but wife and mother. She argued amongst others for equal opportunities, equal wages for men and women, the right to having an abortion and good and accessible child care facilities for working parents. A " redistribution of paid and unpaid labor" among men and women was her goal. Together with Hedy d'Ancona she founded the " Man-Vrouw-Maatschappij" (MVM, " Man-Woman-Society") a feminist pressure group. She disliked extra-parliamentary or extra-institutional actions and dedicated herself and MVM to changing society by gaining support among political and social leaders. At her untimely death in 1981, she was disappointed and angry that despite her untiring work for the feminist cause so little of her ideas had been put to practice yet. |
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Post by pjotr on Mar 28, 2013 17:42:52 GMT 1
 The radical feminst group Dolle Mina, with the slogan "Boss in my own abdomen" Dolle Mina demonstration for free distribution of the anti-conception pillDolle Mina (Mad Mina) was a 1970s Dutch feminist group which campaigned for equal rights for women. |
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Post by pjotr on Mar 28, 2013 19:08:44 GMT 1
Hedy d'Ancona Hedwig (Hedy) d'Ancona (born October 1, 1937 in The Hague) is a Dutch politician, geographer and sociologist. Government careerShe was the Minister of Health, Welfare and Sport and State Secretary for Social Affairs and Employment for issues concerning women's liberation. She also served in the European Parliament and in the first chamber of the Dutch parliament, for the Labour Party. Private sectorOutside of government, she is known for starting the feminist monthly Opzij as well as the special interest lobbying group, Man-Vrouw-Maatschappij ( Man-Woman-Society), which she co-founded with Joke Kool-Smit.  Feminist magazine Opzij d'Ancona in her activist yearsOxfamFrom April 1995 through June 2004, d'Ancona was Chairwoman of Oxfam Novib (Oxfam Netherlands), serving also as Vice-Chairman of Oxfam International during part of her tenure. Links: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opzijen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisca_Dresselhuys
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Post by pjotr on Mar 28, 2013 19:09:27 GMT 1
American feminism
German feminism in Punk rock form
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Post by pjotr on Mar 28, 2013 19:10:12 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Mar 28, 2013 19:15:20 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Mar 28, 2013 19:16:20 GMT 1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism_in_polandSeventh wave (1989–now) That situation changed only with the fall of the Communist state in 1989. New democratic Poland experienced the seventh wave of feminism and was suddenly confronted with concepts of Western second-wave feminism that at once met with fierce opposition from the Roman Catholic Church. Western feminism has often been erroneously identified with the prior Communist reproductive policy, similar in some aspects, and feminism for that reason has often been regarded as ’ suspect’. In the beginning of the 1990s, Polish feminist texts often used the aggressive rhetoric related to feminist publications of the interwar period. That kind of ‘ striking’ argumentation was more adequate in that epoch of violent polemics about prohibition of abortion. After the Polish government introduced the de facto legal ban on abortions (on January 7, 1993), feminists have changed their strategies. Many Polish feminists since that event have adopted argumentative strategies borrowed from the American ‘ Pro-Choice’ movement of the 1980s. In Polish feminist texts, the mixed argumentation of ‘ lesser evil’ and ‘ planned parenthood’ has prevailed. In fact this argument is contrary to the feminist ideology and has proved ineffective. The ban on abortions has appeared immovable. Both sexual education in schools and state funding of contraceptives have been strongly suppressed since 1998. But Polish feminism is seemingly undergoing change; new feminist books include Agnieszka Graff’s Świat bez kobiet ( World without Women) (2001), which directly points out the contemporary phenomenon of women’s discrimination in Poland; and Kazimiera Szczuka’s Milczenie owieczek ( Silence of the Flock) (2004), which passionately defends abortion and often takes positions directly related to the interwar period and radical French feminism, thus renouncing the hitherto dominant ‘ moderate’ American argumentative strategies.  Ewa Dąbrowska-Szulc expressed the necessity of changing the Polish feminist stance as well: " We [feminists] have lost a lot by these lessons of an appeased language we are still giving each other". pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminizm_w_Polsce
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Post by pjotr on Apr 8, 2013 20:28:36 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on May 26, 2013 15:53:04 GMT 1
I love how in the third video she bites her own knee at 1:39. Like the wild beast that she is. I treat the Rad-Fems like the hate group that they really are. Scum manifesto, etc. They said it was "satire", then they shot Andy Warhol. Rad-Fems give lesbians a bad name. These modern Femen are also beasts but more profit-oriented. I read an article about them, disclosing the sources of their sponsoring (Germany among others) and the wages from each event in which they participate. One day they burnt a cross which was a memorial to the victims of communism. Utter stupidity. |
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Post by pjotr on May 30, 2013 22:24:49 GMT 1
I love how in the third video she bites her own knee at 1:39. Like the wild beast that she is. I treat the Rad-Fems like the hate group that they really are. Scum manifesto, etc. They said it was "satire", then they shot Andy Warhol. Rad-Fems give lesbians a bad name. |
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Post by uncltim on Jun 4, 2013 0:07:16 GMT 1
This is fairly recent. Thought I would add it to the collection.
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 4, 2013 21:12:55 GMT 1
This is fairly recent. Thought I would add it to the collection. Decent video and decent women who oppose the brutality of those manic Femen females. Suppositions about their sponsors:
Femen activists paid €2,500 monthly, media reports say
2013/3/20 10:30:43
KYIV, Mar 20, 2013 (UBO) – Activists of Ukraine's female protest group Femen, known in Europe for their provocative actions, earn EUR 2,500 a month, radiosvoboda.org reports citing the Italian edition Il Foglio.
“Each protester in Kyiv gets a thousand euros a month, and its activists here are paid EUR 2,500 (with the average salary in Kyiv of EUR 500),” Il Foglio writes.
According to a Kyiv source with the Italian edition, in Paris, the girls from Femen earn much more - they can get about EUR 1000 a day.
Il Foglio said the female movement is sponsored by an American entrepreneur and German businessmen.
“Femen activists are allegedly paid by American Jed Sanden, a businessman who runs a business in Kyiv, as well as two rich men from Germany,” the article reads. Thus, the publication concludes that Femen is a well-funded structure. |
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Both are parasitic of some "cause" and both enjoy violence and disruption for the sake of violence and disruption. Your thoughts?
