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Post by Bonobo on Feb 17, 2008 11:59:41 GMT 1
When a person commits a suicide, public attention is always focused on him/her. Why did they do it and how?
Many choose death on the railway track.
Have you ever thought of the tragedy that engine/train drivers experience? The record holders in Poland have run over 40 suicides.
A train hardly ever can be stopped in time to avoid the accident. The driver can only watch helplessly how the suicidal person is hit by his train. One driver says: I can`t watch, I turn my head away.
Later he must go out and look closely...
I pity them very much. I am not sure about the procedure but I hope they can consult some professionals afterwards to get rid of stress.
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 15, 2008 10:47:11 GMT 1
Why do you think death is a present? Do you consider life a drudgery? Are you tired of Warsaw?? remember, when you are tired of Warsaw, you are tired of life. hahahaha I am not tired of life, on the opposite. And I wouldn't change life in Warszawa for anything else. That is - in the long run ;D ;D ;D But I am slowly realizing life will come to an end. Did you realize that already? And death IS a present just as birth is a present. At least for me - a believer. I already realised it. hahahahaha Being 40, I realise that it is closer than further now. I am wondering what I should do to get ready. For the time being, I haven` t thought of anything else than trying to act decently as often as I can. I am curious how I behave in the last hour. Will I die in hospital like a lonely animal, among indifferent strangers clad in white uniforms and with beastie panic blackening my mind , or at home, among family, with a smile and a conviction of a well spent life?? And with that special curiosity that has guided me throughout all my life and have always pushed me to discover things, and at the last hour will guide me to see the novelty revelation that death is. . |
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Post by franciszek on Apr 1, 2008 0:47:47 GMT 1
Ihad a heart attack 2 years ago (44) 2 years later still going strong i do worry a little bit but not scared. Got a lot of life in me, ive got a son to teach. He will not learn about Poland in school in the UK.So then it is up to me I use mind over matter plus the medicines oh and a bit of white wine  |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 1, 2008 21:14:01 GMT 1
Ihad a heart attack 2 years ago (44) 2 years later still going strong i do worry a little bit but not scared. Got a lot of life in me, ive got a son to teach. He will not learn about Poland in school in the UK.So then it is up to me I use mind over matter plus the medicines oh and a bit of white wine I am really sorry for you. Do you know what caused the heart attack? Stresses in job or life in general? Or unhealthy food and no exercise? My mum had a heart attack while teaching at school in late 70s, she had a very stressful job. My uncle had a heart attack in 80s because he had used to eat such dishes as 6 scrambled eggs with fried bacon for breakfast. Doctors were cleaning his clogged arteries for half a day during an operation. I am asking because being 40, I would like to know what I can do to avoid such experience. |
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Post by valpomike on Apr 2, 2008 1:33:38 GMT 1
Sometimes, nothing, if it is in your family.
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 2, 2008 18:21:45 GMT 1
Sometimes, nothing, if it is in your family. You mean certain predisposition written in our genetic code? |
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Post by franciszek on Apr 2, 2008 19:50:45 GMT 1
My father, mother, brother and sister (55,65, 52, 55) all died from heat attacks also an aunt and uncle (my fathers sister and brother) also. I was a heavy smoker up to 40 a day sometimes more i had just gone self employed as a plumber but things didn't go to plan so the added stress made me smoke more bingo stress +smoke+genetics=heart attack i expected one later than sooner. Now i don't smoke stress levels are minimal diet a bit better.My son has a really healthy diet plenty of fruit and veg and he laughs all day long. Iam only about 11 stone don't ask me what that is in metric.Any more questions on this subject and i will answer not an expert but i do have first hand knowledge.
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Post by valpomike on Apr 2, 2008 22:18:48 GMT 1
You better change you life style, if you want to see your son grow up, and do it now, with the help of a good doctor.
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 3, 2008 22:10:11 GMT 1
My father, mother, brother and sister (55,65, 52, 55) all died from heat attacks also an aunt and uncle (my fathers sister and brother) also. Ooops, sounds scary. If so, everything can get repaired by itself, even all this tar deposited in people`s lungs after years of smoking. We still don`t know the true abilities of our organisms.
The stone is a unit of mass. It is part of the Imperial system of weights and measures used in the British Isles, and formerly used in most Commonwealth countries. It is equal to 14 pounds and to 6.35029318 kilograms.
People in these countries normally describe themselves as weighing, for example, "11 stone 4" (11 stone and 4 pounds), rather than "72 kilograms" in most other countries, or "158 pounds" (the conventional way of expressing the same weight in the United States).I sometimes also have stress at work. Students or fellow teachers can get on nerves. However, I know how to relax after work. Do you think it is enough to avoid heart attack for somebody who receives certain dose of stress but is still able to forget about it? |
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Post by franciszek on Apr 3, 2008 22:39:15 GMT 1
yes leave the stress at home don't smoke eat plenty of fruit & veg
and smile
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 4, 2008 21:46:48 GMT 1
yes leave the stress at home don't smoke eat plenty of fruit & veg and smile What about exercise? |
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Post by franciszek on Apr 6, 2008 17:54:29 GMT 1
Yes of course exercise is important .After my heart attack i went to the gym for 5months until i started work again but now feel i get enough exercise at work the job i have is physically demanding some people would disagree that work is not exercise but it does depend on what you do.So if you have the energy and the motivation to exercise then do .Iwould recommend the cardio vascular machines.
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 1, 2008 19:31:57 GMT 1
Yes of course exercise is important .After my heart attack i went to the gym for 5months until i started work again but now feel i get enough exercise at work the job i have is physically demanding some people would disagree that work is not exercise but it does depend on what you do.So if you have the energy and the motivation to exercise then do .Iwould recommend the cardio vascular machines. Exercise is important, true. But I have noticed a funny phenomenon - one loses a lot of energy during the process of thinking. Every day there are problems to solve, decisions to take, and students usually ask a lot of questions. After a typical day work from morning till evening I am very hungry and eat like a horse. It is the brain which burns a lot of calories. On holidays, though, I eat like a bird. |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 1, 2008 19:45:23 GMT 1
Have you ever thought what torture priests undergo when they listen to people`s confessions? They are really tough guys not to go crazy after hearing all those sinful stories from people, one after another, especially before important religious holidays.
Young priests, because of their age and little experience, are more engaged and caring. But the old ones seem so resigned.... No wonder, after hearing thousands of confessions, of the same kind, often from the same people...
Another sad case is of some of my colleagues who became policemen and today have to attend accident and crime sites. They sometimes complain to me about the sight they run into and nasty things they do to collect evidence. I pity them so much because most of them are (or were) normal guys without any pervert needs to gloat on blood and gore and I can see how they take to alcohol to forget what they do and see.
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Post by gigi on Sept 1, 2008 21:36:05 GMT 1
On holidays, though, I eat like a bird.  Hopefully not like this bird...  |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 1, 2008 22:25:20 GMT 1
On holidays, though, I eat like a bird. Hopefully not like this bird... Gary Larson had a wonderful cartoon about it: A vulture says to another: Just think....Here we are, the afternoon sun beating down on us, a dead, bloated rhino underfoot, and good friiends flying in from all over.... I tell you, Ed, this is the best of times... |
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Post by locopolaco on Sept 2, 2008 5:41:21 GMT 1
Have you ever thought what torture priests undergo when they listen to people`s confessions? They are really tough guys not to go crazy after hearing all those sinful stories from people, one after another, especially before important religious holidays. Young priests, because of their age and little experience, are more engaged and caring. But the old ones seem so resigned.... No wonder, after hearing thousands of confessions, of the same kind, often from the same people... do you really think most really confess the down deep and dirty? they had no idea what is involved in police work before they started doing their jobs? hmm |
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Post by jeanne on Sept 4, 2008 2:04:20 GMT 1
Exercise is important, true. But I have noticed a funny phenomenon - one loses a lot of energy during the process of thinking. Every day there are problems to solve, decisions to take, and students usually ask a lot of questions. After a typical day work from morning till evening I am very hungry and eat like a horse. It is the brain which burns a lot of calories. I think you have mentioned this before, and I do agree. After a day at school I am famished! I do believe that thinking burns many calories! |
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Post by jeanne on Sept 4, 2008 2:06:27 GMT 1
Have you ever thought what torture priests undergo when they listen to people`s confessions? They are really tough guys not to go crazy after hearing all those sinful stories from people, one after another, especially before important religious holidays. Young priests, because of their age and little experience, are more engaged and caring. But the old ones seem so resigned.... No wonder, after hearing thousands of confessions, of the same kind, often from the same people... Another sad case is of some of my colleagues who became policemen and today have to attend accident and crime sites. They sometimes complain to me about the sight they run into and nasty things they do to collect evidence. I pity them so much because most of them are (or were) normal guys without any pervert needs to gloat on blood and gore and I can see how they take to alcohol to forget what they do and see. And what about doctors who have to give patients the bad news that they have a fatal disease?...I often wonder how they do it day in and day out... |
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Post by valpomike on Sept 4, 2008 4:35:33 GMT 1
It takes a special person, to do this job, the correct way, and care for all.
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Post by gigi on Sept 4, 2008 5:24:30 GMT 1
It takes a special person, to do this job, the correct way, and care for all. It does take a special person to be able to deliver devastating health news with the right balance of professionalism and compassion. Those who are too sensitive often end up having to modify their job. Those who lack compassion, imho, shouldn't have become doctors in the first place. Seeing what disease can do to a body is bad enough, but seeing what people purposely do to each other has to be even worse. |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 6, 2008 18:47:21 GMT 1
In January a military plane crashed, killing 20 high rank officers. The President declared national mourning. All public buildings, including schools, displayed national flags with a black ribbon.  Do you think, you did not say, is this good or bad? Do you think, you did not say, is this good or bad? Mike, it is a very good question. I am against declaring national mourning after accidents like a crash of a military plane. I am sorry for the guys who got killed and their families but why should we distinguish the army? Every day about 20 people get killed on Polish roads and there is no mourning. Besides, one should think about timing and arrangements which had been already made. The last week of January is the time when 100 Days` balls take place in Polish schools (sth like a prom party in America, soon I will show you photos). The mourning was declared and what? Cancel the ball? After all preparations? So, it happened that balls went off very well despite the mourning. The Polish president declared sth which proved impossible to fulfill. Let me repeat, I am sorry for the dead officers but life must go on ..... Tell me, all of you, if I am too cruel on it.... and provide your arguments.... You make many great points. I am against declaring national mourning after accidents like a crash of a military plane. I am sorry for the guys who got killed and their families but why should we distinguish the army? Every day about 20 people get killed on Polish roads and there is no mourning. Perhaps it is a way to honor their service to the country and its people. What a shame that they had to die at such an inconvenient time!  So it worked out well then. At least for everyone except the twenty guys who perished and their families... I understand what you are saying, but some of the rationale seems a bit cold. |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 6, 2008 19:08:39 GMT 1
Perhaps it is a way to honor their service to the country and its people. Of course it is some way. But they were paid for their service to the country because they were professional officers. When I die, will the President declare national mourning to honour me and my service to the country and its people? A much proper way to honour them would be to organize a military funeral with the President and Prime Minister present. It was completely enough. No. It is a shame when the President who has very low popularity rankings resorts to such actions as declaration of national mourning, hoping it would boost his crumbling image in the society. Every day almost 20 people die on Polish roads. Is the mourning declared? It is life. My beloved cat perished some time ago. Did I declare mourning in the forum? No. I coped with it in solitude. I didn`t force anyone to stop partying, playing loud music, to display black ribbons and lower flags. It isn`t cold. It is realistic. I may sound cruel because the accident involved army officers. I think they are guys who are much more acquainted with death than other people. Therefore I see no need to declare mourning when soldiers die. Their job involves such risk. But I am not so indifferent as you think. When the national mourning was declared after a building collapsed during Pidgeon Fair, killing 55 people, innocent pidgeon lovers and keepers, I wasn`t against. |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 6, 2008 19:19:35 GMT 1
When was national mourning declared in Poland after it had been established in 1918?
Independent Poland before the war:
1935 - Marshall Jozef Piłsudski died.
1944 - Warsaw Rising failed with 200.000 victims.
Communist Poland, dependant on the Soviet Union.
1953 - Stalin died.
1956 - Bierut, communist party chief, died.
1964 - Zawadzki, another party boss died.
1981 - head of Polish church, primate Wyszyński, died.
Independent Poland, since 1989.
1997 - 1000 years` flood, 55 victims.
2001 - WTC attack
2004 - terrorist attack kills 200 in Madrid, Spain.
2005 - tidal wave kills 300.000 people in Asia.
2006 - 65 people die in a collapsed building during pidgeon fairs.
2006 - 23 miners die in an explosion in a coal mine
2007 - 26 people die during a bus accident carrying pilgrims.
2008 - a military plane crashes, killing 20 officers.
Lech Kaczyński has been President since 2005.
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Post by gigi on Sept 6, 2008 19:47:27 GMT 1
Of course it is some way. But they were paid for their service to the country because they were professional officers. ...I may sound cruel because the accident involved army officers. I think they are guys who are much more acquainted with death than other people. Therefore I see no need to declare mourning when soldiers die. Their job involves such risk. Does being paid to serve your country negate the sacrifices made to do so? Is the death of a solider somehow easier for everyone to accept - their family included? I do not wish to take anything away from the honorable career choice that you have made, but I don't think a civilian career is the same as a military career and its potential to put one in harm's way. Just for the record, I personally agree that a military funeral and flying the flag with the black ribbon would be the appropriate memorial. We honored the request that you made of us. Our actions did not necessarily match what we felt, what we wanted to say, what we wanted to do. But for you we did only what you asked of us. |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 6, 2008 21:02:05 GMT 1
Does being paid to serve your country negate the sacrifices made to do so? Is the death of a solider somehow easier for everyone to accept - their family included? But I don`t deny the families the right to mourn their close relatives. However, why should all Poland do it? Gigi, I believe all people are equal. At least they should be. And soldier`s job doesn`t impress me at all. In fact, forgetting about equality, I rank it much lower than teacher`s. That`s my opinion and I won`t change it for the next decade. Sorry if I disappointed you. ;D ;D ;D Sufficient memorial. Being a modest person, I feel it is improper to impose your personal problems on others who might not want to deal with them. I prefer to keep to myself and cope with things on my own, in the quietude of my room. If my close relatives died, I would feel embarassed if the national mourning was declared. I told a few people about my pet, leaving the rest unaware because it is the way I prefer to handle such situations. Only close friends/relatives may be involved and know about your pain, while the rest should remain ignorant. Otherwise, it produces pathetic theatre for the public. And that`s what I think - the declaration of national mourning after every bigger accident creates an impression of a show. There were only two decrees of national mourning in pre-war Poland: when Marshall Piłsudski died (he contributed greatly to Poland regaining independence) and when Warsaw Rising failed. You must admit that the case of 20 officers who didn`t know how to fly a plane and crashed it, compared to 200.000 innocent victims of the Rising, is not too serious. |
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Post by gigi on Sept 7, 2008 0:22:37 GMT 1
Gigi, I believe all people are equal. At least they should be. And soldier`s job doesn`t impress me at all. In fact, forgetting about equality, I rank it much lower than teacher`s. That`s my opinion and I won`t change it for the next decade. Sorry if I disappointed you. ;D ;D ;D You would only disappoint me if you didn't give your true opinion.  If I am correctly interpreting this, then I would say thanks for the honor. Certainly the circumstances are very different, and the memorials should reflect that. Was the plane crash tragedy of the same scale as the Rising? No, of course not. But I would not personally say that the plane crash was "not too serious". |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 17, 2009 22:12:32 GMT 1
The police started a new campaign which is perceived as controvercial by some. Since March about 25 motorbikers got killed on roads. The police want to make others aware of danger of speeding by spreading such posters:  Spring is coming, vegetables will appear. Use your imagination, slow down. www.tvn24.pl/-1,1596110.1,0,1,dziewulski-to-haslo-budzi-wscieklosc,wiadomosc.html I wonder what parents of deseased or crippled bikers say to it. Have the police got the right to use such strong message? I don`t know. But, if it may save some lives, why not? |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 15, 2010 22:26:14 GMT 1
Recording of last moments of doomed flight15.04.2010 12:16
Investigators are to release the dramatic, and tragic, recordings of the last moments of the TU-154 flight which crashed in Smolensk, western Russia on Saturday killing Lech Kaczynski and 95 others.
The pilots flying the presidential plane knew the crash was inescapable, says Poland’s chief prosecutor Andrzej Seremet. It has not been specified, however, whether the passengers were conscious of the impending disaster.
Recordings from the retrieved black boxes will be released, save for personal content, Seremet said this morning. Military prosecutor Colonel Zbigniew Rzepa has called the recordings “dramatic”.
“On the basis of data accessed by the prosecutors we may assume that the crew onboard the plane was fully aware of the inevitable catastrophe, if only for the fact that they had felt the jolt of the aircraft’s wing hitting the trees,” Seremet told radio TOK FM.
The crew knew about this from three to five seconds before hitting the ground, assuming that such an aircraft lands at a velocity of 150-180 meters per second, said the chief military prosecutor, Colonel Krzysztof Parulski. The precise time can be determined only after the technical investigation has been completed, stressed Seremet. (aba)
www.thenews.pl/national/default.aspx?id=129588&page=1#com
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Post by coco on Apr 16, 2010 0:40:42 GMT 1
I am wondering President removed Pilot from his position and other Pilot took over his seat. Do they get along? I do hope they weren't arguing during flight.
I feel President shouldn't say anything to Pilots in 1st place. This is what everybody saying in U.S.A. Pilots have responsibilities to control planes and they shouldn't be telling Presidents or people.
What do you think, Bonobo? We have to wait for Black Box.
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