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Post by Bonobo on Oct 2, 2015 19:48:08 GMT 1
More and more Ukrainians come to Poland. Many come temporarily to find jobs and then go back home, many are planning to stay for good. The dire economic and political situation in Ukraine forces people to look for employment and even homes somewhere else. Poland is the closest most natural destination. The economic relation between Poland and Ukraine is probably like betwen US and Mexico.  See some films: See how Ukrainians storm the Polish Ukrainian border crossing: Employment opportunities Chicken production Kebab plant Window factory Farming Raspberries Lettuce and many more places and branches of industry and agriculture Ukrainian TV footage: Ukrainian gastarbeiters in Poland |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 18, 2015 23:33:24 GMT 1
Polish companies look to hire from the east
18.12.2015 16:31
Polish companies feel a shortage of labour on construction sites and have been forced to look to Ukraine and Belarus for workers, a construction company boss has said.
Photo: Pixabay.comPhoto: Pixabay.com
Around one in four Polish construction workers looking for higher earnings have emigrated to Western Europe, leaving over 100,000 positions in the building sector unoccupied, Dariusz Blocher, the president of Polish construction company Budimex, said.
“A culmination of projects co-financed by the European Commission will occur in 2017-2019, [and by that time] the personnel shortage could be as high as tens of thousands,” Blocher added.
In Blocher’s opinion, companies will need to meet with government officials at the beginning of next year over difficulties regarding the hire of non-nationals.
Currently, companies must help prospective hires obtain visas, complete formalities and bear the cost of work permits.- See more at: www.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/233478,Polish-companies-look-to-hire-from-the-east#sthash.yKzHzhav.dpuf 
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Post by pjotr on Dec 19, 2015 4:28:41 GMT 1
If Poland can integrate and assimilate these Ukrainains than that shouldn't be a problem. We have a lot of excellent Dutch compatriots with German names. Their ancesters were German immigrants of the 19th century and early 20th century. Today these people are 100% Dutch and only carry German names like Schmidt, Schröder, Töpfer, Bremer, Kaufmann and Heine. I hope the Polish-Ukrainian historical tensions of the Second World War and the Interbellum years (in which Polish-Ukrainian troubles took place) are of the past. Polish nationalism vs Ukrainian nationalism still might cause some problems, because in Poland there is today a lot of nationalism to say it mildly.
In Western-European eyes we see ultra-nationalism of Hooligans, former National-democrats (Endecja style), reactionairy ultra-conservative Roman-Catholic fundamentalists, and old fashionate Sanacja Pilsudski style supporters. Maybe the anti-thesis Pilsudski-Dmowski is gone and the two kinds of Polish nationalism have merged in PiS?
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 25, 2016 20:47:42 GMT 1
Ukrainians in Poland send PLN 20bn back home every year
25.01.2016 11:35
Around a million Ukrainians who live and work in Poland send some PLN 20 billion back home every year, Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski has said.
Ukrainian flag. Photo: wikimedia commons/UP9Ukrainian flag. Photo: wikimedia commons/UP9
Speaking during the ninth Europe-Ukraine Forum in the central Polish city of Łódź, Waszczykowski said: “More than a million Ukrainians living in Poland transfer around PLN 10 billion annually to Ukraine through official banking channels alone.”
Such workers hand over the same amount again in cash while visiting their families in Ukraine, Waszczykowski added.
“This means that in the past year, according to the National Bank of Poland, as a result of working in Poland, Ukrainian citizens transferred [the equivalent of] around five billion euros. This is an important form of support for the Ukrainian economy.”- See more at: www.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/237914,Ukrainians-in-Poland-send-PLN-20bn-back-home-every-year#sthash.y18NICuJ.dpuf
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Post by Polishprideson on Jan 29, 2016 11:29:02 GMT 1
""More and more Ukrainians come to Poland. Many come temporarily to find jobs and then go back home, many are planning to stay for good."" [/quote] They had better not come until they ask Poles for forgiveness for Ukrainian UPA massacres committed on 100.000 Poles in Wołyń region. They worship Bandera, the one who gave orders to murder, as a hero today, nearly a saint.  |
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 14, 2016 1:02:04 GMT 1
They had better not come until they ask Poles for forgiveness for Ukrainian UPA massacres committed on 100.000 Poles in Wołyń region. They worship Bandera, the one who gave orders to murder, as a hero today, nearly a saint. In another thread you reject Muslim immigrants and refugees. Here you turn down Ukrainians. I suppose you shouldn`t hold so many magpies by their tails at a time (Polish proverb).  |
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Post by tomek on Feb 15, 2016 12:40:42 GMT 1
If Ukranians celebrate Bandera ideology, why it is so? They dont know him and crimes to Poles?
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 6, 2016 19:59:49 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Jul 7, 2016 1:08:53 GMT 1
What is it with neighbours, there seem always to be troubles between neighbours, just like in a troubled family and Cain and Abel.
Dutch people and Germans clash at Dutch-German border
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 17, 2016 13:05:08 GMT 1
Eastern immigrants to fill labour gap in Poland?
14.09.2016 07:03
The government plans to include incentives for Ukrainians, Belarusians and Vietnamese citizens to apply for employment in Poland.
Deputy Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said that encouraging, for example, Ukrainians to come to Poland to work is an important pillar of demographic policy and necessary to mitigate the effects of adverse demographic trends.
He said that this is an issue of “fundamental importance for geopolitical reasons”, but also for the current labour market environment.
Why encourage immigrants to seek employment in Poland? The answer to this question lies in demographic forecasts prepared by the Central Statistical Office (GUS). By 2060, the working age population will diminish by 6.7 million compared with 2015. And if the retirement age is lowered, the decrease will amount to as many as eight million people.
Experts argue that the government “500+” programme may only alleviate the problem, rather than eliminate it. Admittedly, apart from reducing household poverty, it is also meant to increase the birth rate, but even if the latter goal is reached, it won’t be enough to reverse the negative trends any time soon. Children born in the near future will only enter the labour market in the mid-2030s.
In the short term, child benefits may even have a negative impact on the labour market, argue analysts at the Centre for Economic Analysis (CenEA). In a recent report, they forecast that in the next few years, as many as 235,000 people may give up their jobs as a result of child benefits they receive.
Groups likely to do so will mostly include women, people with lower or secondary education, and those living in rural areas and towns with populations of less than 100,000. According to Michał Myck, the CenEA director, an inflow of immigrants might mitigate the impacts of such a labour drain.
“People likely to give up employment over the 500+ scheme are mostly in rather low paid jobs. For them, the child benefit will account for a sizeable part of income and so it will significantly influence their decisions. These are exactly the kinds of jobs often taken up in Poland by immigrants from the East,” says Myck.
He points to CenEA studies showing that people likely to quit work will include those for whom employment is largely connected with their financial situation and for whom this “financial urge” will recede after the payment of child benefits.
“If in such circumstances new workers didn’t enter the labour market, it would add pressure to raise wages in jobs that are low paid today,” Myck says.
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 28, 2016 17:07:38 GMT 1
That`s what I have been repeating to my high school students for 2 years now: You must study hard because immigrants, especially Ukrainian ones, are well educated and able to learn Polish very quickly, so one day you will have to compete for good jobs with them. Your only way of survival in the market is good education.
Some students listen, most don`t. I pity them.
Ukrainians overqualified for Polish job market: report
28.12.2016 14:19
About a third of Ukrainians coming to Poland for work are university educated, but only some 5,000 out of more than a million Ukrainians found a suitable job in 2016, a new report shows.
Polish employers are eager to hire Ukrainians mostly for manual labour, often at construction sites, because their salary expectations are lower than that of Poles, the report by Dziennik Gazeta Prawna said.
According to the daily, when it comes to specialists, Poles still prefer to hire their compatriots, as Ukrainians coming to Poland often do not speak Polish well enough to efficiently communicate with locals.
The paper added that the language barrier did not matter as much in big corporations in Poland, if the Ukrainians knew English well, “but those who [speak English] stay in Ukraine, as their salaries there are already high,” Dziennik Gazeta Prawna wrote.
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 28, 2017 22:44:54 GMT 1
Poland most popular travel destination for Ukrainians
25.01.2017 13:18
Ukrainians most often travel to Poland when heading abroad, according to border guards.
Last year, 25 million Ukrainian citizens travelled abroad, according to that country’s border guards. Ten million of the trips were to Poland.
The second most popular destination was the Russian Federation, with 5 million Ukrainians heading there.
In third place was Hungary, visited by three million Ukrainians last year.
Polish consulates also give out the highest number of visas. The consulate in Lviv last year issued 500,000 documents authorizing entry to Poland and Europe’s Schengen passport-free travel zone.
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 30, 2017 13:41:43 GMT 1
Today we went to the passport office with our minor son. I entered the hall and got a shock because it was fully crowded with a few queues winding and nearly mixing with each other. The council must definitely do sth about it - a few years before there hadn`t been such queues! Luckily, it turned out that the hall dealt with various matters and two main queues consisted of foreigners who came to regulate their stay or obtain work permits. I saw a few coloured guys, even one American judging by his accent, and a few Asians like Indian or Vietnamese. But most of foreigners were people from Eastern Europe, probably Ukrainians. Russian was spoken freely but when they phoned somewhere or talked to the clerk, they switched to Polish with a discernible accent. I could hear everything because I was walking around the hall, (yes, I am so restless! our stay there and formalities lasted an hour). They all looked decent people, with this special glint of intelligence in their eyes, you know what I mean. Younger ones looked like uni students. I told my son the same thing which I have always told my students - you must study hard because it is your only chance to make a career in the current and future job market. Ukrainians, due to cultural similarities, are able to adapt easily in the Polish society and if they are good enough, they will take better positions too, pushing Poles out. That is a normal practice everywhere and can`t be contained and even Trump won`t stop it with his anti-immigration executive orders. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 30, 2017 13:55:37 GMT 1
CIA data
Poland
GDP - per capita (PPP):
$27,700 (2016 est.)
$26,800 (2015 est.)
$25,900 (2014 est.)
Inflation rate (consumer prices):
-0.8% (2016 est.)
-1% (2015 est.)
Exports:
$188.3 billion (2016 est.)
$190.8 billion (2015 est.)
Ukraine
GDP - per capita (PPP):
$8,200 (2016 est.)
$8,100 (2015 est.)
$8,900 (2014 est.)
Inflation rate (consumer prices):
13.5% (2016 est.)
48.7% (2015 est.)
Exports:
$33.97 billion (2016 est.)
$35.5 billion (2015 est.)
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 9, 2017 1:29:33 GMT 1
In autumn/fall 2016 I met an Ukrainian guy who sold veg at a stand in the open air market in Krakow. Wow.
Today I scored another bigger wow when I took kids to the cinema in the shopping centre. After the film we went to the food halls and I asked a lady about bread crumbs. She answered in Polish but with this special soft Eastern European accent. So the things I have been reading on the Net and discussing in this thread for a dozen months are really happening? 1 million Ukrainian people came to Poland in 2016 looking for jobs. Wow.
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 9, 2017 17:39:02 GMT 1
Some experts predict that many Ukrainians will leave Poland for Western Europe which offers better money.
The European Parliament (EP) approved an informal deal with the European Council on Thursday, granting visa-free travel for Ukrainian citizens to Poland and other EU countries.
The exemption from EU short-stay visa requirements regarding Ukrainians “applies to all EU countries, except Ireland and the UK, plus Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland”, a statement by the Parliament said.
Once the measure comes into effect, Ukrainians who hold biometric passports will have the right to enter the European Union without a visa for 90 days in any 180-day period for business, tourist or family visits, the statement read.
The measure has to be formally adopted by the Council of Ministers, which is likely to happen in June, according to the EP’s press release.
The decision is seen as a means of showing support for Ukraine, a country that has been mired in a conflict with Russia and Moscow-backed separatists.
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 12, 2017 20:22:52 GMT 1
Some experts predict that many Ukrainians will leave Poland for Western Europe which offers better money. The European Parliament (EP) approved an informal deal with the European Council on Thursday, granting visa-free travel for Ukrainian citizens to Poland and other EU countries. The exemption from EU short-stay visa requirements regarding Ukrainians “applies to all EU countries, except Ireland and the UK, plus Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland”, a statement by the Parliament said. Once the measure comes into effect, Ukrainians who hold biometric passports will have the right to enter the European Union without a visa for 90 days in any 180-day period for business, tourist or family visits, the statement read. The measure has to be formally adopted by the Council of Ministers, which is likely to happen in June, according to the EP’s press release. The decision is seen as a means of showing support for Ukraine, a country that has been mired in a conflict with Russia and Moscow-backed separatists. Ukrainian citizes are allowed to travel to the EU without visas. Reminds me of Poland many years ago...... Congratulations. Welcome to Europe.       |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 22, 2017 21:04:03 GMT 1
Most Ukrainian 'first resident permit' holders went to Poland for work: Eurostat
21.11.2017 14:40
The largest group of non-EU nationals to arrive in the bloc on so-called first residence permits last year came from Ukraine, and most of them went to Poland for work, the European Statistics Office Eurostat has said.
In 2016, a record 3.4 million non-European citizens arrived in the bloc with first residence permits, up by nearly 28 percent compared to 2015.
Eurostat attributed the steep increase to a 64 percent hike in permits being issued for “other” reasons, which included pensioners moving abroad, humanitarian reasons, and international protection status, including for refugees.
There was also 21 percent growth in residencies issued for job seekers.
Nearly 600,000 first permit-holders were from Ukraine, 87 percent of whom were allowed to stay in Poland, and 82 percent of whom arrived in the European Union looking for work.
Syrians made up the second-largest group issued first residence permits. Two-thirds of the nearly 350,000 permits given to Syrians were issued by Germany.
The UK issued by far the most first residence permits. Of more than 865,000 permits, close to 190,000 went to US citizens, and nearly 120,000 to Indians.
Eurostat recently released its 2016 data on first residence permits which were issued to non-European Union nationals for the first time or at least six months after their previous residence permit expired.
According to Eurostat, residence is a legal stay in another country for three or more months. Permit holders are not necessarily migrants, who intend to stay in the host country for at least 12 months. (vb/pk)
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 18, 2018 12:52:08 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 28, 2018 22:02:12 GMT 1
Finally, a Ukrainian boy became the student in my school.
Poland issued highest number of immigration permits in EU in 2017
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(PAP) jch/ej October 26, 2018
In 2017, Polish authorities issued the most residence permits for immigrants of all the EU countries - nearly 700,000 - according to Eurostat data. Most of them were granted to Ukranians.
According to the ranking, which was published on the Eurostat website, the the statistical office of the European Union, Poland, in 2017, issued one out of five such permits granted in the entire EU (22 percent - 683,000). Germany, a country twice the size and much richer, placed second with 535,000 permits (17 percent of those granted in the entire EU), followed by Great Britain (517,000 - 16 percent), France (250,000 - 8 percent) and Spain (321,000 - 7 percent).
The permits were given for the first stay of foreigners from outside the EU, who came to a given country for work, family or education purposes.
It can be seen from these figures that Poland issued most of its permits (597,000) for employment purposes. This total was 59 percent of all the employment permits granted by the EU. In other words, Poland was the main destination country of economic migration.www.thefirstnews.com/article/poland-issued-highest-number-of-immigration-permits-in-eu-in-2017-2928 |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 23, 2018 23:19:46 GMT 1
Last week I encountered my first Ukrainian cashier in a supermarket. Young Ukrainians can be met everywhere. Today I saw a few relaxed young men playing mini football in the shopping mall car park. But Polish employers fear they might lose Ukrainian workers, attracted by other, richer than Poland, countries. navva.org/poland/poland/polands-chances-for-competition-for-ukrainians-are-declining-labor-market/Poland's chances for competition for Ukrainians are declining – Labor market
This is the last bell to fight for workers from Ukraine who already recruit Germany. They are also picked up by Czechs and Slovaks, which leads them to a higher salary and a two-year contract.
– Even now the Czechs are taking us more and more workers from Ukraine and soon the time will come to Germany, where a large part of the professionals can leave – warns Marian Przeździecki, director of the Ukrainian department of the employment agency. As he admits, despite the huge demand from domestic companies, it is becoming increasingly difficult to attract Ukrainians to work in Poland.
Firstly, in Ukraine, especially in the western region, the staff shortage is also growing, and secondly, the competition for its inhabitants from the Czech Republic and Slovakia, who liberalized the admission procedures, has increased significantly this year. This is confirmed by other agencies specializing in the recruitment of Ukrainian workers. Krzysztof Inglot, head of Personnel Service, which already has three companies in the Ukraine, admits that this year Czech companies and Slovak companies are recruiting on a much larger scale than before.
Czech offensive
– Despite the announcement of a simplification of procedures for Ukrainians, nothing changes. We stand still, while other countries are starting to open – says Michał Wierzchowski, director of the EWL employment agency, which wants to get more than 15,000 from Ukraine this year. Staff members. Recently she also opened an office in Prague, Czech. I want to take advantage of the boom for Ukrainian workers there.
In the Czech Republic, where revenues are about one-third higher than in Poland (up to 50% in the car industry), Ukrainians can now easily get a work permit for 90 days, and then the employer can hire them as part of the government program Režim Ukrajina on 24 – a monthly work card. The map pool has doubled this year to 20,000. In the future it will be doubled again.
Although the Ukrainians have to wait up to a year for such a long-term visa for the Czech Republic (just like for a work permit in Poland …), the system of "informal gears" drops it off in 2-3 months. The Czech family and labor minister Jaroslava Němcová has visited Ukraine twice this year and during the last visit in September she announced the introduction of a quick administrative route for employees in selected professions, including babysitters. a stay of two years in Slovakia, where wages are about 20 percent higher than in Poland.
German competition will soon become more problematic: since January 2019, the labor market for non-EU labor migrants, including Ukraine, will be opened up on a larger scale. According to Marian Przeździecki, German intermediaries already get potential candidates for work, with a wage bill of EUR 17000 net per month for 170 hours. work (twice as much as in Poland for 240 hours of work). According to him, the Germans are not only looking for professionals – but also for employees without qualifications and German knowledge – this condition can be neglected by Germany in light of the 1.6 million shortage of labor for the River Oder.
Stabilization needed
Marian Przeździecki claims that Poland is no longer the leader of openness for workers from Ukraine. – We have fallen in the last place in the region. In addition, we make way for competition in the field of payroll administration and the housing conditions of employees are often worse, "he explains, according to him, the biggest problem is limited to six months working time in Poland according to the simplified visa procedure for the so-called statement. Ministry of Labor and Social Policy, which will be extended to one year in the autumn, have not yet been implemented.
– If we do not do it and we do not introduce facilities that constantly encourage work and establishment of workers from Ukraine, we will lose them quickly – says Marian Przeździecki. He points out that the current system of statements supports the influx of unskilled seasonal workers from the East and discourages the arrival of specialists in Poland, who ensure a stable job and settle with their families. – We must extend the work to a declaration of up to 18 months and encourage Ukrainians to work legally and collect families – says Krzysztof Inglot.
As the head of the labor service in Ukraine has asked for a longer stay in Poland, Ukrainians or Belarusians have no preferences – they are treated in the same way as visitors from Bangladesh or Nepal, although they are culturally close to us stand and adapt quickly. If they could live longer with their families in Poland, they would be more motivated to raise their qualifications. They would not change their work for 1-2 PLN hourly rate increases, which has become a nightmare for many companies, especially in construction.
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JACEK PIECHOTA, President of the Polish-Ukrainian Chamber of Commerce
Our advantage in the competition for workers from Ukraine is geographical and cultural proximity and the fact that many of them know the living conditions in Poland. Nevertheless, competition from countries with higher wages is a real threat. Moreover, the migration policy of our country is not very clear, the waiting time for residence and work permits is not shortened and some politicians combine labor migration with a migration threat. An open statement from the government is required that Ukrainians are welcome in Poland. It is also worthwhile to give positive examples of their employment and integration, which we do in the social campaign "Partnership and employment".
They work and support the economy
It is expected that up to USD 11.5 billion will increase in 2018 money transfers of Ukrainians working abroad – estimates National Bank of Ukraine Last year, Ukrainian migrants handed over USD 9.3 billion to the country (about 9 percent of GDP). According to estimates from the Ministry of Social Affairs of Ukraine, 3.2 million citizens of this country work continuously abroad and another 9 million per season. A large part of both groups goes to Poland, where the number of employees from Ukraine is estimated at 1.8-2 million. As the Association of Entrepreneurs and Employers warns, the outflow of the Polish labor market, even some of them (in a moderate variant – 500,000) can reduce our GDP by 1.6%, which was 1/3 of the growth in the previous year. . Employer organizations and economists have been calling for a coherent Polish migration policy for several years. Her almost autumn project in autumn returned to inter-ministerial consultations. – Migration policy affects many issues, so the agreements must take place – explains the Ministry of Investment and Development.[/i] |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 16, 2018 14:29:41 GMT 1
More and more Ukrainian cashiers. Polish big cities are fav places of Ukrainian migrants for obvious reasons - better job opportunities. E.g., 100.000 Ukrainians in and around Poznań. 100 Ukrainian kids in pre schools and nearly 600 kids in other types of schools. www.polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2018-12-16/w-poznaniu-jest-100-tys-ukraincow/?ref=kafleUkrainians have bought 25% of apartments owned by foreigners in Poland. biznes.interia.pl/nieruchomosci/news/ukraincy-kupuja-coraz-wiecej-mieszkan-w-polsce,2595814,4206 As for the possibility of Ukrainians moving to Germany in search of better paid jobs, I am optimistic. One needs to speak German in most positions. Learning Polish is much easier than German. Of course, one can work in Ukrainian or Polish companies located in Germany but that always costs workers some part of the earnings. Eventually, it might turn out that Ukrainians will earn in Germany the same amount as in Poland and what is more, maintanance in Poland costs less. |
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