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Post by Bonobo on Oct 18, 2015 19:59:30 GMT 1
Well, of course not whole nations but some members of them. First of all, a few Germans demand the return of Polish land to Germany. You certainly remember that after WW2 the allied powers decided to move Poland to the West with the loss of her land in the East.   Germany lost to Poland a considerable mass of land with a few major cities like Gdańsk or Wrocław. Millions of German citizens were transfered to Germany. Their property was taken over by Poles who came from Eastern lands, now taken by the Soviet Union. From time to time one can read such posts on the net: Hey guys, I recently found out that my grandfather (Opa) owns about 100 km in Ostpreussen. He and his family owned it for their entire life (back in the day when it was German land) He wants absolutely nothing to do with this land, but it is under his name and he has proper identification stating that that land is his. It's nice, and on a lake. He said I could keep it if I could get it, so...I looked it up a little, and the Polish government has tried really hard to halt all German land claims. I also just graduated university, and I have no idea on how to really go on about this...so I am looking towards you guys, fellow stormfronters, what are the proper methods of action?
Should POLAND Give Back East Prussia To Germany?
Everybody talks about the injustices visited upon the Palestinians..but nobody seems to talk about what happened to the german inhabitants of what used to be Prussia and East Prussia! The parts of what are now western Poland were german for hundreds of years! The cities of Danzig, Steetin, Konigsberg, etc. were never Polish until the end of WWII. Basically, hundreds of thousands of people were forced to leave their home , and had to move to west Germany. Now, more than 58 years later, isn't it time to remove this injustice?
I have a german-American friend,,his parents were refugees from Danzig, and they still have the deed to their farm outside the city. Is there any chance that Poland will give up its claim to these ares?
you Polish always bragging how you hate communists and all that, why dont you give back the eastern German lands which you stole yes, that is right you stole it, you complain about communists yet you co-operated with the russian beasts and brutalized the German people and drove them out of their eastern lands, having no regard even for religious buildings such as churches; converting them to rubble or to storage houses for potatoes at the very least. NOT to mention what you and your soviet-friends did to the people when they got trapped (and this is civilians from the cities and farmers I am talking about). German lands you ought to give back you thieving traitor soviet-allies, you ally with anyone, raise the England flag before the war, then roll with the Soviet beasts afterwards;you're not really people are you.
GIVE BACK=
Hinterpommern & Stettin-936-1945
Danzig - 1244-1454/1793-1918/1939-1945
Westpreußen-Posen-1793-1918/1939-1945
Ostpreußen-1226-1945
Memelland-1250-1920/1939-1945
Neumark-1254-1945
Schlesien-1526-1945
www.polishforums.com/history/poles-give-back-german-land-cities-robbed-45552/Fortunately, such voices are quite rare. Most Germans don`t care about their once Eastern territories. But a few years ago the desire to retrieve land was much more ardent. Some German political parties openly refuted Polish rights to these territories. 
Forward! For free united Germany! Ex- Silesian Germans meet regularly.   Silesia is not Polish! |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 7, 2015 22:34:34 GMT 1
Another country some citizens of which think about Polish land with nostalgia is Ukraine. Some Ukrainian nationalists claim that Poland still occupies territories of Eastern Galicia, including such cities as Przemyśl and Sanok. About 20.000 square km of Eastern Galicia remained in Poland after WW2, while the rest of the area was incorporated by the Soviet Union.  This concept of Ukrainian ownership of Polish land goes back to 11 century when Eastern territories were settled by Rus people, soon subjugated by Polish kings. Yet, they continued to populate the area for centuries, kept their culture and traditions and their influence and presence are still alive in south east Poland, only 170 km from Krakow. Ukrainian nationalists claim that those Rus people were ancestors of Ukrainian nation.  Double language road signs in today`s Poland  |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 21, 2015 22:02:00 GMT 1
Another nation some members of which are ready to clash with Poles over land is Czechs.
§ Śląsk Cieszyński (Cieszyn Silesia) is a particularly difficult region in the Polish-Czech borderland. Initially, this region was a part of the Great Moravian State. Before 991, it was a part of the Polish State, but at the turn of 1289 and 1290, it obtained the status of a separate Cieszyn Duchy, which as early as 1327 was incorporated by the Bohemian Crown. When the Piast dynasty had come to an end in 1653, the Duchy became the property of the Habsburg family. That status quo went on until the fall of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy in 1918. Then, between the newly reborn Poland and a newly established state – Czechoslovakia, a conflict occured about said territory which was divided on July 28th 1920, by a decision made at the conference at Spa of the Council of Ambassadors of the great world powers. An artificial division of an area which hitherto was historically, ethnographically and socially coherent caused a few dozen thousand or so Poles to cross over to the border areas of the Czech side. This fact has determined the character of today’s Polish-Czech contacts, usually based upon animosities, claims and conflicts.www.transfrontier.eu/?page_id=583  From time to time a group of Czech nationalists declares that Poles should be removed from the region around the city of Cieszyn. They shout Poles - get out of Zaolzie. This land has always been Czech, you stole it from us!! and show the Polish flag with swastika. link
Zaolzie: A swastika on Polish flag. A real danger or Russian propaganda?
The conflict in Ukraine influences the whole Middle-East Europe. Belarus and Baltic countries fear for their existence. But the recent tension between Poland and Czech Republic in Zaolzie may seem a precedence. Can it have anything to do with Russia?
In the popular among Czech youth in Zaolzie portal “Stalo Se” anti-Polish slogans appeared. It's enough to cite the editorial team's statement “Poles, out with you! Cieszyn and the whole Silesia had always been Czech. Poles stole it from us. We must get it back” to understand that situation is rather tough Statement followed by pro-Russian comments of users. A swastika inscribed in Polish flag meaningfully depicts those words.
It's time to “sort out” matters with Poles
It's another of the appearing slogans. In the portal, we learn for example, that Poland wants to get back Zaolzie, no matter the price. And that only Moscow can come to rescue against imperialistic wishes of the Vistula country... That's why a strategic alliance with Russia should be made and the case with Poles ought to be sorted out once and for all.
A double-thinking of Zeman
This type of statements could be treated as marginal if they didn't inscribe into wider and coherent context. It's worth to mention the post-communist President of the Republic of Czech, Miloš Zeman who doesn't even try to conceal his pro-Russian attitude. By inviting the “tsar of all-Russia” for official, national celebrations, he has gained a name of “Putin's puppet” within Czech opposition. Further east, on the other hand, thanks to his statements Zeman has become an idol of internet.
Attempts of approaching history selectively by Czech President are also significant. Not so long ago, he tried to teach Poles about Stepan Bandera's crime on our nation. But another perpetrator of genocide, general Josef Snejdarek, whose army entered Zaolzie in 1919 and killed thousands of Poles skips his attention. What's more, in the case of this other one, whose monument was built close to Polish border 2 years ago, his feelings are quite positive.
Useful idiots or deliberate Russian operations?
According to the President of Congress of Poles in the Republic of Czech, Ph.D. Józef Szymeczek in the interview for “Do Rzeczy”: “escalation of anti-Polish moods, revisionist calls or threatening that Poland has adverse intentions towards Czech started during recent months of conflict in Ukraine.”
It seems peculiar that pro-Russian group of Czechs, thereby supporting Russian policy towards Ukraine of “caring” for Russian minority living in this country, demands at the same time Russian “help” in expelling native, Polish minority from the Czech Republic territory.
Relation of time mentioned by Ph.D. Szymeczek, lack of logical coherence and calling all of those who think differently fascists seem to indicate our “big, Slavic brother's” actions. As we can see, the hybrid war in Ukraine isn't a single exception, and Russian propaganda reaches the most West-protruding countries of the former Soviet block.
What's the reaction of Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs?
The case has been treated as an incident. Let's hope however that Polish diplomacy will, in the long run, take care of Polish minority living in the parts of Czech Republic, i.e. Czech, Moravia, and most of all Cieszyn Silesia. According to 2011 population count, there are around 40 thousand Poles in our south-neighbour's country. In some districts they are even a majority (as a reminder: in 1919 Poles constituted more than 2/3 of Zaolzie population). Even if, on the background of couple-of-million Polish diaspora, it's barely a small percentage, it's exceptionally important. As well as from the past history, as from the present one point of view.
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Post by tomek on Jan 18, 2016 10:03:32 GMT 1
You forget Slowakia? My granny spoke me of Slowakia soldiers atack in the south in 2 world war, she leaved in villige near Nowy Sącz. After it Slowakia took Polish land also. But they were good peopple and not kill Polish like Germans.
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 19, 2016 0:31:32 GMT 1
You forget Slowakia? My granny spoke me of Slowakia soldiers atack in the south in 2 world war, she leaved in villige near Nowy Sącz. After it Slowakia took Polish land also. But they were good peopple and not kill Polish like Germans. Well, that`s history and today I haven`t heard of any Slovakian claims. They are peaceful people who were forced by Hitler and their own renegade leader to take part in that 1939 invasion. I think there is a seperate thread about the event in this History board. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 21, 2016 19:50:50 GMT 1
Fortunately, such voices are quite rare. Most Germans don`t care about their once Eastern territories. But a few years ago the desire to retrieve land was much more ardent. Some German political parties openly refuted Polish rights to these territories. In 1960 West German TV weather forecast comprised not only East Germany but also Polish lands. Funny.   |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 22, 2016 22:58:57 GMT 1
The last nation the representatives of which claim Polish land is ............... Hmm, I can`t find more. Only 3 countries have a problem with Poland`s current borders. Thanks God.  |
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 14, 2016 1:14:35 GMT 1
The last nation the representatives of which claim Polish land is ............... Hmm, I can`t find more. Only 3 countries have a problem with Poland`s current borders. Thanks God. Despite popular beliefs, Russia and its citizens don`t have any territorial disputes with Poland. |
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Post by pjotr on Feb 14, 2016 22:51:42 GMT 1
I don't know if you can follow thus excellent German documentary. It is from the German perspective, but very good. (Germans are good documentary, tv and cinema producers in my opinion. Good quality, good research and historical accurate)
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Post by pjotr on Feb 15, 2016 0:31:37 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Feb 15, 2016 0:53:47 GMT 1
But so bad as the treatment of Germans in the Czech part of Czechoslovakia it was not in Poland.
The German/Austrian occupation of Czechoslovakia and Poland was brutal and you had cooperation with the Nazi's of the German minorities in the Selbstschutz units, but not all Germans were Nazi's. You had also social-democrats, christian-democrats and believing Roman-Catholics amongst them. In the retalliation of the Sovjets, Poles and Czechs, both guilty and innocent German suffered. A war doesn't make distinctions.
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 28, 2017 19:42:34 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 2, 2018 12:42:07 GMT 1
The land dispute between Poland and Denmark hasn`t been known to most people. navva.org/poland/nation/ministry-of-foreign-affairs-denmark-and-poland-have-reached-agreement-on-the-course-of-the-sea-border/After intensive negotiations, Denmark and Poland agreed on the progress of the maritime border, which will divide the continental shelf and the exclusive economic zones of both countries in the Baltic Sea to the south of Bornholm – according to the Polish Foreign Ministry.
"An important approach to the end of the 40-year dispute is the reason for my great satisfaction, because the agreement is based on a fair solution, I am convinced that this will contribute to strengthening our bilateral relations and cooperation, and will contribute to legal clarity in the Baltic Sea region "- said the head of the Foreign Ministry Jacek Czaputowicz, quoted in the Ministry's communication.
The Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Kingdom of Denmark, Anders Samuelsen, judged that "agreement is a historic step towards transparency in the region." "I am very pleased that we have finally reached an agreed border with Poland, the agreement is a historic step towards transparency in the region, for the benefit of both parties," Samuelsen said, adding that "in the near future" sign an appropriate agreement in the region. this issue.
The Polish Foreign Ministry noted that the negotiations resulted in a fair decision, which was achieved in accordance with the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982 and relevant international jurisprudence.
If the agreement is to enter into force, it must also be accepted as part of the internal procedures of both countries. |
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