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Post by Bonobo on Jan 4, 2011 19:35:14 GMT 1
You are also likely to hear an old Polish remnant in Wisconsin and northern Ohio. When someone asks you what you are doing, you can hear a distinct "ink" instead of "ing". 3 English sounds create 90% problems for Polish students because they don`t exist in our language: 1. ing ending of verbs. 2 Th3. A in cat, man, apple etc. Probably No 1 is really number one - my sons have mastered everything apart from ing which in Polish has a very distinctive, clear, exposed g. I still correct them but if I was able to learn it, they will too. |
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Post by jeanne on Jan 4, 2011 23:25:46 GMT 1
3 English sounds create 90% problems for Polish students because they don`t exist in our language: 1. ing ending of verbs. 2 Th3. A in cat, man, apple etc. Probably No 1 is really number one - my sons have mastered everything apart from ing which in Polish has a very distinctive, clear, exposed g. I still correct them but if I was able to learn it, they will too. It may be a comfort to you to know that many American kids have trouble with the "ing" sound when they are learning to read. I worked with a woman once who was supposed to be a 'reading specialist.' She used to pronounce the 'g' to get the kids to be aware that the word ended in 'ing' and to help them with the spelling of that word. That practice drove me crazy because it was actually mis-teaching the sound! Ugh! |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 5, 2011 21:57:28 GMT 1
It may be a comfort to you to know that many American kids have trouble with the "ing" sound when they are learning to read. Shocking! How exactly do they pronounce it ? With clear g? So, in view of the situation, why haven`t the American Board of Language Experts proclaimed the distincitve pronunciation of g in ing ? |
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Post by jeanne on Jan 5, 2011 23:15:45 GMT 1
It may be a comfort to you to know that many American kids have trouble with the "ing" sound when they are learning to read. Shocking! How exactly do they pronounce it ? With clear g? Mostly they just ignore the 'g'. Americans are notorious for being lazy and pronouncing the 'ing' sound as 'in', so it sounds natural to the kids. For example: I was walkin' down the street, he was talkin' too loud, Bonobo was drinkin' too much, etc. etc. Perhaps it is time for that! ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 5, 2011 23:29:43 GMT 1
Mostly they just ignore the 'g'. Americans are notorious for being lazy and pronouncing the 'ing' sound as 'in', so it sounds natural to the kids. For example: I was walkin' down the street, he was talkin' too loud, Bonobo was drinkin' too much, etc. etc. Yes, but cases you mentioned are still acceptable as normal ellision of sounds in the language. Ing without pronounced g sounds OK before such consonants as t or d. What about when ing isn`t followed by anything? Eg., Are you swimming? As for drinking, my doctor, Dr Armata, advised me to drink a lot of fruit juices. And they must be fermented for better preservation. |
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Post by jeanne on Jan 6, 2011 0:02:28 GMT 1
Mostly they just ignore the 'g'. Americans are notorious for being lazy and pronouncing the 'ing' sound as 'in', so it sounds natural to the kids. For example: I was walkin' down the street, he was talkin' too loud, Bonobo was drinkin' too much, etc. etc. Yes, but cases you mentioned are still acceptable as normal ellision of sounds in the language. I hate to show my ignorance, but what does "ellision" mean? I'm not familiar with that word...are you sure it exists?...or could it be a mistake in spelling? Sorry, I don't agree. In the proper pronunciation of "ing" the "g" is never distinctly pronounced. The "ing" sound has it's own distinctive pronunciation with the "g" making the sounds of "i" and "n" together a nasal sound. And "ing" pronounced as "in" is never correct and always sounds bad, no matter what follows it! Unfortunately lazy-speaking Americans do say "swimmin" as well... Ah, yes...of course you understand I only used that phrase as an example! ;D...but...did the doctor mean better preservation of the juices or of you??? ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 6, 2011 0:15:39 GMT 1
I hate to show my ignorance, but what does "ellision" mean? I'm not familiar with that word...are you sure it exists?...or could it be a mistake in spelling? Oh, come on, one extra l makes such a difference? Of course it should be elision. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElisionBut that is a case of ELISION! It is an accepted phehomenon in any language! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Do you realise how artificially/unnaturally we would sound if there was no elision? ;D ;D ;D Wow!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Compromise is the golden door - both. |
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Post by jeanne on Jan 6, 2011 0:39:17 GMT 1
I hate to show my ignorance, but what does "ellision" mean? I'm not familiar with that word...are you sure it exists?...or could it be a mistake in spelling? Oh, come on, one extra l makes such a difference? Of course it should be elision. Seriously, one "l" or two, I didn't know what that word meant...I guess reading teachers are not in the business of teaching muted or slurred sounds...with the population of students I work with, we have to be purists!! (I guess I learned something from "Professor Bonobo today! Thanks!  Now that you have educated me, I do realize it! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 6, 2011 0:49:09 GMT 1
I guess reading teachers are not in the business of teaching muted or slurred sounds...with the population of students I work with, we have to be purists!! Oh, yes, it is true. I am sorry, I forgot/neglected it somehow. |
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Post by jeanne on Jan 6, 2011 1:04:53 GMT 1
I guess reading teachers are not in the business of teaching muted or slurred sounds...with the population of students I work with, we have to be purists!! Oh, yes, it is true. I am sorry, I forgot/neglected it somehow. And...we must be cognizant of the fact that you are a language teacher as opposed to my being a reading teacher...there is a different focus to each discipline!...Not that I'm offering excuses for my ignorance, or anything like that!! ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 8, 2015 16:41:23 GMT 1
You are also likely to hear an old Polish remnant in Wisconsin and northern Ohio. When someone asks you what you are doing, you can hear a distinct "ink" instead of "ing". 3 English sounds create 90% problems for Polish students because they don`t exist in our language: 1. ing ending of verbs. 2 Th3. A in cat, man, apple etc. Probably No 1 is really number one - my sons have mastered everything apart from ing which in Polish has a very distinctive, clear, exposed g. I still correct them but if I was able to learn it, they will too. I corroborate my words from 2011. Ing is the number one problem and even brilliant extremely gifted kids with perfect hearing ability are able to master a and th but they are unable to produce good ing. They continue to say it Polish way, which sounds like ink |
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