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Post by pjotr on Mar 22, 2016 17:03:33 GMT 1
Our Belgian neigbours faced a serious terror attack with many wounded and killed in Brussels. The Netherlands is on high alert. Heavily armed police force guars Dutch parliament and the security measures in the large cities are tuned up.
I am sorry for the Belgians, I know their country and the people very well. It is part of my life and in my heart. My condolences go to the Belgian people. It is like we are attacked ourselves. The same feeling like 911.
Pieter, Arnhem The Netherlands
P.S.- And ofcourse the earlier attacks in Madrid, London, Paris, Brussels and Copenhagen.
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Post by pjotr on Mar 22, 2016 17:05:00 GMT 1
Security stepped up across the Netherlands following Brussels explosionsEurope March 22, 2016Security has been stepped up at Dutch airports following the bomb blasts in Brussels on Tuesday which killed several people, Dutch counter-terrorism chief d....k Schoof has said. There will be extra checks on the country’s southern borders and at Schiphol, Eindhoven and Rotterdam airports. ‘The security measures which are necessary are being taken,’ Schoof said. There is no reason to raise the Dutch threat level, the Volkskrant quotes him as saying. All trains to Brussels airport have been stopped and all flights cancelled following the explosions. Air traffic which was en route for Brussels is being rerouted via Schiphol. Military police will be out in force at Schiphol in what news agency ANP says will be ‘high profile’ patrols. However, there are no indications that Schiphol is a target, ANP says. Police are also patrolling the country’s biggest railway stations, including Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague and Utrecht. The Dutch cabinet met at 10.15 to discuss the situation and what further measures may be needed. ‘Belgium has once again been hit by a cowardly and murderous attack,’ prime minister Mark Rutte told reporters ahead of the meeting. ‘We are ready to help and support our neighbours in the south in any way we can.’ Rutte said he had been in touch with Belgian officials. ‘Much is still unclear but extra alertness is essential, in our country as well,’ he said. A trainstation near Amsterdam todayMilitary police at Schiphol Airport AmsterdamMilitary police at Schiphol Airport AmsterdamArmed special police forces soldier at the Dutch parliament buildings today
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Post by pjotr on Mar 22, 2016 17:05:44 GMT 1
Sad situation. Europejskiego would have to learn to react quickly and efficiently to such events. Unfortunately terror kills innocent people.
Jaga Polish American (Idaho, USA)
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Post by pjotr on Mar 22, 2016 17:06:04 GMT 1
Pieter Yes, a very deplorable situation of needless deaths and disruption of the lives of so many people. All of this, absolutely unneccesary and for no real reason what so ever. www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35869254Karl Mexico (German expat)
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Post by pjotr on Mar 22, 2016 17:06:37 GMT 1
Our neigbours faced a serious terror attack with many wounded and killed in Brussels. The Netherlands is on high alert. Heavily armed police force guars Duthc parliament and the security measures in the large cities are tuned up.
I am sorry for the Belgiums, I know their country and the people very well. It is part of my life and in my heart. My condolences go to the Belgian people. It is like we are attacked ourselves. The same like 911.[/quote]I am sad for the Belgians and the rest of you Europeans who are sharing this terror in everyday life. I am ashamed of the America that so willingly and quickly gave up its freedoms to gain a porous wall of safety against such terrorism. We would be sharing more in this battle and the suffering if we had stuck to our freedoms; we would have remained a beacon of brightness and bravery, showing the world that a bit of terrorism does not cow us (intimidate us) and that a strong people with a strong democracy - self governance - is not going to bow down to or tremble in fear of some common terrorists. Freedom is not free, the right wingers are quick to say, but they are not willing to live with the price of freedom, the price of occasionally a terrorist killing a few citizens.
You Europeans are living with this reality, and this is part of the price of maintaining your life and your freedoms. Bless you all.
Kaima, The Alaskan (USA)
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Post by pjotr on Mar 22, 2016 17:22:56 GMT 1
Victims of the Brussels terror attacksAn armed Belgian police officer patrols at Midi train station in Brussels, Belgium.Brussels Airlines flights canceled at Ben-Gurion International Airport following terror attacks in Brussels.Soldiers block the access to roads close to Maalbeek metro station in Brussels on March 22, 2016. (AFP / PHILIPPE HUGUEN)A private security guard helps a wounded woman outside the Maalbeek metro station in Brussels.wpmedia.montrealgazette.com/2016/03/belgium-attacks-security2.jpeg?quality=55&strip=all&w=840&h=630&crop=1Women speak to soldiers as they block the access to road close to Maalbeek metro station in Brussels on March 22, 2016 after a series of apparently coordinated explosions ripped through Brussels airport and a metro train, killing at least 14 people in the airport and 20 people in the metro in the latest attacks to target Europe.The Belgian capital Brussels is in lock down after explosions today rocked the international airport and the subway system.Belgium’s prime minister says there “ are many dead, many injured.” Brussels transit says there are 15 dead and 55 wounded in the subway station attack alone. At least one of the attacks is believed to have been caused by a suicide bomber. Belgium has raised its terror alert to its highest level, diverting arriving planes and trains and ordering people to stay where they are. Airports across Europe have tightened security. Belgium’s prime minister says, “ what we feared has happened.” Two explosions at the international airport in Brussels splattered blood across the departure lounge and collapsed the ceiling. Witnesses say one blast happened at an excess baggage payment counter and the other near a Starbucks cafe. Today’s explosions at the airport and the Brussels subway system happened just days after authorities arrested Paris attacks suspect Salah Abdeslam (AHB’-dehs-lahm). Paris attacks suspect Salah Abdeslam
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Post by pjotr on Mar 22, 2016 17:57:48 GMT 1
Dear Ron (Kaima),
Thank you for your empathy. I filmed the security measures in Arnhem today. Normally you don't see a lot of police officers, except for occasional high risk soccer matches of notorious clubs in Arnhem, when soccer hooligans arrive at our central station to be transfered to Gelredome stadium.
Yes, we are sharing this terror in our everyday life. It is a fact that Dutch people, Belgian people, Germans, Danes, Brits, Spanish people and french people have a pragmatic and realistic way of dealing with the terror threat and the fact that terror cells are present in our societies. We are not naive, stupid, careless or indifferent to what happens to our neighbours and could happend to ourselves. The Dutch prime minister delivered a very personal and yet very firm statement. We will not bow to terrorism and we will not let our liberties, free society and thus freedom be taken away from us.
The Dutch mourn the deaths of the Belgian civilians in Brussels. We know that the next target may be Amsterdam Central Station, the Amsterdam subway, Schiphol Airport (Amsterdam), the Jewish Historical Museum in Amsterdam, the Rijksmuseum, or The Hague as the government center in the Netherlands, Rotterdam as trade, harbour city and transport hub. But Utrecht, Arnhem, Eindhoven, Maastricht, or other tourist attractions, vital key points or people could be targetted.
I don't know if America that gave up its freedoms willingly and quickly to gain a porous wall of safety against such terrorism? Do you mean the Patriot Act?
You are very right that Freedom is not free, but freedom comes with a price. The price of occasionally a terrorist killing of a few citizens is the price we pay in Europe. But we won't give in to the freedom of expression, press, movement, openess. We take the risk.
Thank you Kai. It would be interesting if you with your US and continental European experiences could say something more about the differences between the two continents and slightly different Western systems. European democracy vs American democracy?
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 22, 2016 19:15:53 GMT 1
That`s a tragedy. I pity the victims. This attack is going to add new fuel to anti-Islamic-immigrant attitude which is getting more and more popular in Poland. Especially, that: Three Poles injured in Brussels attacks: foreign ministry 22.03.2016 16:35 Three Poles were injured in Tuesday’s deadly explosions at Brussels airport and an underground train in the Belgian capital, the Polish foreign ministry said as Warsaw announced heightened security checks. The foreign ministry said the injured Poles were in hospital. Earlier, the ministry said two Polish citizens had been hurt. Polish President Andrzej Duda said the two were customs officers on a working trip abroad. The explosions in Brussels killed over 30 people. Dozens of others were injured. A Belgian prosecutor said a suicide bomber is believed to have carried out one of the attacks. Security at Polish airports has been stepped up, while LOT Polish Airlines diverted a flight from Warsaw bound for the Belgian capital to Dusseldorf in Germany. After a meeting of the Government Security Centre, Prime Minister Beata Szydło said that "at the moment, Poland is a safe country.” She added: "All the services are working, they are ready, there will be heightened checks where they should be carried out, in transport hubs, railway stations, at airports, so that you feel safe." President Duda called for solidarity with Belgium, saying: “We have to stand together to defend our European values, in defence of our cultural foundations.” He added: “We cannot allow ourselves to be defeated even by brutal violence." Duda earlier tweeted that "war on terror is our common duty."- See more at: www.thenews.pl/1/2/Artykul/245692,Three-Poles-injured-in-Brussels-attacks-foreign-ministry#sthash.UCPt1uub.dpuf
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Post by jeanne on Mar 22, 2016 22:49:25 GMT 1
I will never cease to be horrified by mankind's inhumanity and cruelty to his own species.
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Post by crazyhorse1 on Mar 23, 2016 22:41:57 GMT 1
I will never cease to be horrified by mankind's inhumanity and cruelty to his own species. It's very unfortunate, but you cannot fix stupid.
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Post by Polishprideson on Mar 24, 2016 7:35:32 GMT 1
Pieter Yes, a very deplorable situation of needless deaths and disruption of the lives of so many people. All of this, absolutely unneccesary and for no real reason what so ever. www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35869254Karl Mexico (German expat) No reason whatsoever? You must be joking. There is one obvious reason: turning Europe into the Islamic State. The idea of multi-culti integration and cohabitation between Europe and Muslim population, propagated for decades by mad leftists, has just proven to be a complete failure. The terrorists in Belgium were the citizens! Europeans have to fight back if they want to survive. I am afraid, though, more massacres will have to take place before West Europeans wake up and kick Islamists out. Better late than never. At least Poland and other neighbouring countries remain sane and able to defend themselves against Islamic colonisation.
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Post by pjotr on Mar 30, 2016 21:22:29 GMT 1
Dear Pride Polish Son, I have to say that I have said several times in other words what you said. Decades ago mad leftist, centrist and even center right politicians invited Muslim guest workers from Morocco and Turkey to the Netherlands during the late sixties and early seventies. The naive politicians, employers and unions thought that these people would stay for a while to work and then return to Morocco and Turkey, like many guest workers from Italy, Spain and Portugal before them in the fifties and sixties. But these Turks and Moroccans stayed and they didn't learn the language propperly, and they brought their families to the Netherlands. Their wives and if they had children in Turkey and Morocco, their children too. What you didn't heared and don't hear in the American and European media is that the state of segregation and Gettho's already existed for decades since the seventies. Now I am a leftwinger as you call it or liberal, but I am very critical about these West-European leftwingers who caused this situation. When their contract was finished these Moroccans and Turks should have returned to Morocco and Turkey, like West-European expats return to Europe after their project, job permit or assignment is finished in the Middle-east, Africa or the USA. But the politicians and unions were political correct, afraid to be accused of discrimination and racism and thus supported affirmative action at the expence of the Dutch working class who lived in the same neighbourhoods as these migrants who weren't integrated. And they still live in the same neighbourhoods. These working class people came from traditional red families, whom voted Labour party for about a century. That started to change, the working class started to support far right parties like the Centrum Party and Centrum Democraten of Hans Janmaat during the eighties, and the conservative Bolkestein of the centre right conservative liberal government party VVD when he took a tougher stance. After Jan Maat and Bolkestein they started to support Pim Fortuyn after 911. Fortuyn got assasinated by a far left environmentalist activist on May the 6th 2002. Two year later his allie, friend, journalist and cineast Theo van Gogh was murdered by a Muslim extremist on November 2, 2004. After him Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Geert Wilders continued their work. Ayaan Hirsi Ali fled to the USA, because the Netherlands and Western-Europe had become to dangerous for her. Geert Wilders don't gives up, but pays a heavy price for that. His personal freedom. A wrong version of Islam, the Saoudi and Qatar back ultra-conservative, fundamentalist, Islamist Jihadi version of Salafism and Wahhabism of Sunni-Islam is present in certain radical mosques in Eindhoven, Rotterdam, the Hague, Amsterdam, Arnhem, Brighton, Brussels, Antwerp, Brighton, London, Düsseldorf, Cologne, Berlin, Hamburg, Berlin, Copenhagen, Malmö, Oslo and Stokholm and other places. Not all Muslims are extremists, but a dangerous, aggressive and violent minority amongst them is. That is the problem we have to deal with, because our politicians, intelligence agencies, social workers, police and legal systems failed to deal with the roots of this problem decades ago. These roots lay in lack of integration and assimilation, unemployment and social benefits, subsidies for migrant organisations which kept in tact the Ghetto structures, and the fact that our authorities weren't demanding. Lack of Dutch skills created what I call the muslim migrant slang or dialect of Dutch, Allochtoons after the word allochtoon. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllochtoonI am not a racist, nor a discriminating person, but I am very annoyed with our leaders who didn't think logic and clear back then and only thought about short term gain, because only financial and economical motives were behind their move to invite these people in and bring them over here. There is simply a huge cultural gap which is unpleasent for both sides in Western-Europe. I have no Muslim friends in my personal social circle despite the fact that 30 percent of the Arnhem population is of non-Western decent. I have one Turkish-Kurd girlfriend who is secular and who has only Dutch friends. She lives practically a native Dutch European life. Doesn't want to be linked to Turks and refuses to speak Turkish in a Turkish restaurant. I have an excellent professional work relationship with an Afghan colleage, but no personal contact outside our work force. Today we have to bond and cooperate with the section of the Muslim migrants who do have integrated and assimilated, who speak Dutch well, and who choose for Dutch life. The others who didn't integrate, assimilate and who didn't gained skills in practical Dutch and skills for the Dutch labour market are a problem, because they live ghetto lives, in ethnic communities which are culturally and religiously directed at the countries of heritage, Turkey and Morocco, or face influence of the Gulf Arab states via sattelite dish tv connections. The youngsters who alienate themselves from the society and their families, and get influenced by radical groups like Sharia4Holland or Sharia4Belgium (which was active in the Netherlands too) should be monitored and parents, authorities should drag them away from the extremists. We have to turn the tides and bring them back to reality. Education, Western values as freedom and democracy, rule of law, Trias Politica and respect of human rights, respect for human life, the rights of women and minorities, and religious, cultural and political pluriformity and freedom. Cheers, Pieter P.S.- Officially I am also allochtoon, because one of my parents was born outside the Netherlands, my mother in Warsaw.
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Post by pjotr on Mar 30, 2016 21:46:05 GMT 1
The idea of multi-culti integration and cohabitation between Europe and Muslim population, propagated for decades by mad leftists, has just proven to be a complete failure. The terrorists in Belgium were Belgian citizens! Europeans have to fight back if they want to survive. You got a point there, but we are far too late Polishprideson! Europeans are soft compared by the Turkish, Turkish Kurd and Moroccan tough Sunni-Muslim peasent mountain cultures of Anatolia in South-Eastern Turkey and in the Rif Kaybile Mountains of the Moroccan-Algerian border region, in which berber boys wear a traditional knife to defend themselves, and fathers and grandfathers carry a riffle. I was in highschool with a Moroccan boy from the Moroccan city Fez. He told me that you had to fight to survive as a Moroccan boy on the street, because there was a street hierarchy which was faught with violence. Being tough, macho, direct, and dominant is part of that Moroccan berber street culturte. The Moroccan street kids and young men are like that, because it was like that in Morocco and it is like that on the street in Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Utrecht and Arnhem in the neighbourhoods they live. Often the biggest challange and threat to them are other Moroccans, other groups, other street gangs, and within the criminal gangs, the other gangs. After the murder of Van Gogh the Dutch police went after the group that murdered himShe lived under threat since long already, but after she wrote the screenplay to Submission, about oppresion of women in the name of Islam, that threat radically changed to the worse. The director, Theo van Gogh was murdered for his involvement in the project. Meet the woman who defies all threats and continue untiringly the work of reforming Islam to a non-violent religion.
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Post by jeanne on Mar 30, 2016 22:15:07 GMT 1
Pieter,
Thanks for giving us comments from the perspective of someone who actually lives in an area with these problems. It is very hard to get a true and unbiased view from the news media in the U.S. who only cover aspects they wish us to know about, and who want us to see things as they do. Very frustrating.
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Post by pjotr on Mar 30, 2016 22:20:33 GMT 1
The Netherlands is changed since 911, after that and after the murders of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh, the Dutch democracy has lost it's innocence. And with the arrival of Geert Wilders as a far right, rightwing populist, nationalist and social political party a rather extreme party entered the Dutch political stage. You could say Geert Wilders is the Dutch PiS. It is radical against any immigration, anti-islam, anti-Moroccan, against central-and Eastern-European labour immigration towards Western-Europe, pro border control and the end of Shengen and it propagates the Dutch exit out of the European Union. A very angy Pim Fortuyn maybe a year before his death. This shows the tensions that existed in the Dutch society back then and the ten years after his death. Geert Wilders is more extreme tan Furtyn, but the core of their message is the same. They stand for the native Dutch European people and opposed and oppose the islamization of the Netherlands and Western-Europe. Both Fortuyn and Wilders were and are Eurosceptics. In the video, he ends with, "Is that not allowed, Okay, I respect that. C'Est Ca!", which meant that he stepped out of the party Liveable Netherlands, and he started his own political party List Pim Fortuyn, LPF, which gained 26 seats after the the elections in May 2002 after his assasination. From 0 to 26 seats was a result no party had even reached in the history of the Dutch democracy. But after his death the LPF collapsed because the leading figure was gone and party activists, members and parliamentarians started arguing with eachother, quarrels broke out and discord broke the party. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Balkenende_cabinetThese are the extreme's from the Dutch political spectrum. Geert Wilders will stay radical and his opponents wil become more radical if he grows larger. Poland should learn from Western-Europe and keeps it's identity. If Poland is forced to take in Muslim refugees or migrants, Poland should immediately start integrating and assimilating them so that they become good patriots and new Poles like the Polish Tartar Muslims, who are Msulims, but in the same time 100% Polish and non enemy of Poland like the fifth column in the Netherlands, Great-Britain (the bad element of Pakistani), Belgium, France, Austria, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Norway. Poland, the Czech republic, Hungary, Slowakia, Lithunania, Estonia and Latvia should learn from our mistakes and avoid them. Maybe I disagree on some things with the Polish government, but I understand their reluctance against taking in refugees. I am very sorry for these people, but it is a fact that they have a different mentality, different religion, different political affiliations, don't share Western values of freedom and democracy and equality of men and women and don't speak our language. Cheers, Pieter
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 9, 2016 21:55:22 GMT 1
Polish woman among Brussels victims 30.03.2016 09:09 A Polish woman was killed in a series of coordinated terrorist attacks in the Belgian capital last week, said the Polish Foreign Ministry.
“In connection with the bombings in Brussels, Belgian authorities have confirmed that, following all the autopsies of the victims, a Polish national was among the victims.” the Polish Foreign Ministry stated.
Polish news stations reported that the victim was 61-year-old Janina Panasewicz who had been reported missing following the attacks. The details were confirmed by Brussels-based Polish NGO SOS Bruksela, which said that Belgian authorities had identified all the victims of the attacks, and confirmed that Panasewicz died in the attack on an underground train.
The Ministry added that another three Polish nationals were also injured in the attacks.
The Belgian capital is currently on high alert following the terrorist attacks on 22 March at the Brussels airport and an underground train station. A total of 32 people died in the attack and some 350 people were injured. (rg)- See more at: www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/246607,Polish-woman-among-Brussels-victims#sthash.gAHJ7NcU.dpuf
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Post by Polishprideson on Apr 12, 2016 14:13:42 GMT 1
Europeans are soft compared by the Turkish, Turkish Kurd and Moroccan tough Sunni-Muslim peasent mountain cultures of Anatolia in South-Eastern Turkey and in the Rif Kaybile Mountains of the Moroccan-Algerian border region, in which berber boys wear a traditional knife to defend themselves, and fathers and grandfathers carry a riffle. I was in highschool with a Moroccan boy from the Moroccan city Fez. He told me that you had to fight to survive as a Moroccan boy on the street, because there was a street hierarchy which was faught with violence. Being tough, macho, direct, and dominant is part of that Moroccan berber street culturte. The Moroccan street kids and young men are like that, because it was like that in Morocco and it is like that on the street in Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Utrecht and Arnhem in the neighbourhoods they live. Often the biggest challange and threat to them are other Moroccans, other groups, other street gangs, and within the criminal gangs, the other gangs. Thank you Piotr for the sincere description. Yes, the attitude of Arab migrants towards integration and adoption of European values is far from proper. It is hopeless, in fact. Polish citizens realise it too well. If some still do not, we must raise their awareness so that they will not be deceived by leftist Eurocrats who do not care about preserving Europe in its traditional form but are planning a vicious scheme to turn all things upside down instead. I strongly believe Polish society will be wise in order to avoid the damage done not only to this country`s culture but our whole style of life, as it has already taken place in Western Europe where Muslim standards are gradually instilled in societies.
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