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Post by Bonobo on Nov 28, 2018 22:52:43 GMT 1
From time to time I read about cases of parents` carelessness which causes indignation among public. E.g., Father took his 6 yo son on a bike trip along the highway. Witnesses informed the police.  |
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Post by jeanne on Dec 2, 2018 1:30:24 GMT 1
From time to time I read about cases of parents` carelessness which causes indignation among public. E.g., Father took his 6 yo son on a bike trip along the highway. Witnesses informed the police. This makes me think that some people just should not be parents! The adult shouldn't be riding along the highway, let alone the child! |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 2, 2018 16:38:57 GMT 1
This makes me think that some people just should not be parents! The adult shouldn't be riding along the highway, let alone the child! When they were stopped on a secondary road, the father explained they had got lost and had to use the highway.   |
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Post by jeanne on Dec 2, 2018 17:57:18 GMT 1
This makes me think that some people just should not be parents! The adult shouldn't be riding along the highway, let alone the child! When they were stopped on a secondary road, the father explained they had got lost and had to use the highway. Sorry, Dad, but nope...that is not a legitimate excuse!! If you get lost, you simply stop and turn around...you do not have a child ride on the highway!!  |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 3, 2018 22:15:14 GMT 1
When they were stopped on a secondary road, the father explained they had got lost and had to use the highway. Sorry, Dad, but nope...that is not a legitimate excuse!! If you get lost, you simply stop and turn around...you do not have a child ride on the highway!! Wow, good reasoning, it didn`t occur to me, it is probably our male style of thinking, go on and never retreat.  When I got lost in the mountains I continued walking until I found out I was in Slovakia. Then I turned back, indeed, but only because it was senseless to carry on. Besides, father coldn`t allow to LOSE FACE with his son. That would be unpedagogical. |
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Post by jeanne on Dec 4, 2018 0:49:41 GMT 1
Sorry, Dad, but nope...that is not a legitimate excuse!! If you get lost, you simply stop and turn around...you do not have a child ride on the highway!! Wow, good reasoning, it didn`t occur to me, it is probably our male style of thinking, go on and never retreat. When I got lost in the mountains I continued walking until I found out I was in Slovakia. Then I turned back, indeed, but only because it was senseless to carry on. Besides, father coldn`t allow to LOSE FACE with his son. That would be unpedagogical. Perhaps he didn't want to lose face with his son, but making the decision to turn back, THE RATIONAL DECISION, could lead to the child's viewing his father as both SMART and HUMBLE enough to admit he made a mistake. Both are qualities a father would do well to instill in his son! ...Just my opinion... |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 4, 2018 9:44:54 GMT 1
erhaps he didn't want to lose face with his son, but making the decision to turn back, THE RATIONAL DECISION, could lead to the child's viewing his father as both SMART and HUMBLE enough to admit he made a mistake. Both are qualities a father would do well to instill in his son! ...Just my opinion... Humble, yes. But not smart. Losing the way and resulting retreat aren`t smart, but silly. |
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Post by jeanne on Dec 4, 2018 18:32:53 GMT 1
erhaps he didn't want to lose face with his son, but making the decision to turn back, THE RATIONAL DECISION, could lead to the child's viewing his father as both SMART and HUMBLE enough to admit he made a mistake. Both are qualities a father would do well to instill in his son! ...Just my opinion... Humble, yes. But not smart. Losing the way and resulting retreat aren`t smart, but silly. I disagree...SMART because though he made a mistake (as all we humans do, smart or not) in losing the way, he made the SMART decision to turn back and not risk danger to him and his son. It's smart to see and admit your mistakes and take action to correct them! |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 6, 2018 21:25:44 GMT 1
I disagree...SMART because though he made a mistake (as all we humans do, smart or not) in losing the way, he made the SMART decision to turn back and not risk danger to him and his son. It's smart to see and admit your mistakes and take action to correct them! Ok, let it be smart and brave, too. |
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Post by jeanne on Dec 6, 2018 23:35:50 GMT 1
I disagree...SMART because though he made a mistake (as all we humans do, smart or not) in losing the way, he made the SMART decision to turn back and not risk danger to him and his son. It's smart to see and admit your mistakes and take action to correct them! Ok, let it be smart and brave, too. Does your answer mean I "had the last word?"  |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 7, 2018 21:58:24 GMT 1
Ok, let it be smart and brave, too. Does your answer mean I "had the last word?" Well, why not? I didn`t think of it in such terms, as if there was a kind of rivalry in our discussion..... But I would point to the following differentiation: Smart means the ability to predict unfortunate consequences might happen if you stubbornly stick to your original plans and refuse to change them. Brave means the ability to admit you made a mistake and to face the consequency of it. In Polish it is called civil bravery. I heard it a lot as a kid "Come on, show some civil bravery, admit it was you who broke the window/used up the matches/ shaved the dog`s whiskers/ cut up the banknote etc " |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 8, 2019 22:25:08 GMT 1
Each year I can read about a few cases of parents who go hiking in the mountains with their kids in extreme weather. The latest situation involved two pre-teen daughters. Fortunately, they were saved but resucers said it was a close shave because the family were already very cold when found.  |
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 6, 2019 20:51:41 GMT 1
The road police were shocked when they stopped a standard BMW. The driver didn`t have a licence and car papers and he was taking 8 kids and wife on a trip. Together - 10 people. The comments under the news suggest the family isn`t fully Polish.   |
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Post by jeanne on Jul 7, 2019 0:02:10 GMT 1
The comments under the news suggest the family isn`t fully Polish. So...does that mean a fully Polish family wouldn't have done something dumb like that?? |
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Post by pjotr on Jul 7, 2019 8:39:17 GMT 1
Bononobo and Jeanne, Of course a Polish family could have done something dumb like that. But Dutch people can do stupid things as well. As a student in Amsterdam I once drove a bakfiets (a transport bike) through a large Highway tunnel in Amsterdam and was justly stopped by Dutch Amsterdam police who thought I was insane. Are you 'suicidal' sir they asked me. It is prohibited and extremely dangerous to drive with your slow transport bike (bakfiets) through this fast traffic car, van, autobus and motorbike and truck tunnel, where people are allowed to drive 70 km per hour, but daredevils sometimes drive 150 to 200 km through this busy traffic tunnel under the IJ (pronounced [ɛi̯]; sometimes shown on old maps as Y or Ye), a body of water, called river in Dutch, but is more like the english description in wikipedia.  The Ij, which separates Amsterdam North from Amsterdam Centre. The Ij tunnel between Amsterdam centre and Amsterdam North I was a rather solistic, stubborn, and a little bit Anarchist student back then who didn't think logical, but only thought how I could go as fast as possible from Amsterdam centre to Amsterdam North. A silly, stupid and extremely dangerous decision. The Amsterdam police rightly stopped me and were rightly tough on me. In Arnhem a pedestrian who was hit by a car flew 80 meters through the air, was smacked to the ground, heavily wounded and is heavily handicapped now and has to spend the rest of his life in a wheel chair and is heavily mentally and physically disabled. The criminal lunatic who drove a BMW 7 Series drove 200 km per hour in a neighbourhood in the East of Arnhem. When the pedestrian crossed the street he looked right and looked left, didn't saw a car, but when he was on the middle of the road the car advanced with rocket speed and hit him frontal launching him at extreme speed through the air. Bot the impact of the car and the smashing to the ground 80 meters further did a lot of damage. The BMW drove away after the impact and was never found. The driver was probably a criminal, because criminals in fast BMW's, Audi's, and Volkswagen Golf, other fast Volkswagen cars, Mercedez Benzes and other fast cars drive like lunatics over here. After I was out of the Ij tunnel I was greatful for the cops that stopped me and a little bit shaken, realising that I could have been dead or heavily wounded in that tunnel.  The transport bike I used in the busy Amsterdam Ij tunnel back in 1991. I was 21 years old back then.Cheers, Pieter |
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 7, 2019 14:15:41 GMT 1
As a student in Amsterdam I once drove a bakfiets (a transport bike) through a large Highway tunnel in Amsterdam and was justly stopped by Dutch Amsterdam police who thought I was insane. Are you 'suicidal' sir they asked me. It is prohibited and extremely dangerous to drive with your slow transport bike (bakfiets) Pieter How many kids were you carrying on board? |
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Post by Bonobo on Jul 7, 2019 14:20:04 GMT 1
The comments under the news suggest the family isn`t fully Polish. So...does that mean a fully Polish family wouldn't have done something dumb like that?? Probably not. A Polish mother wouldn`t allow her male partner to act like that. Unless she was drunk. |
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Post by jeanne on Jul 7, 2019 16:52:48 GMT 1
Bononobo and Jeanne, Of course a Polish family could have done something dumb like that. But Dutch people can do stupid things as well. As a student in Amsterdam I once drove a bakfiets (a transport bike) through a large Highway tunnel in Amsterdam and was justly stopped by Dutch Amsterdam police who thought I was insane. Are you 'suicidal' sir they asked me. It is prohibited and extremely dangerous to drive with your slow transport bike (bakfiets) through this fast traffic car, van, autobus and motorbike and truck tunnel, where people are allowed to drive 70 km per hour, but daredevils sometimes drive 150 to 200 km through this busy traffic tunnel under the IJ (pronounced [ɛi̯]; sometimes shown on old maps as Y or Ye), a body of water, called river in Dutch, but is more like the english description in wikipedia. Pieter, Wow...I'm happy that you survived to tell the tale! It is amazing the things we do when we are young and feel that we are invincible!! Thank goodness wisdom comes with the passing of time!
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Post by pjotr on Jul 8, 2019 3:11:43 GMT 1
As a student in Amsterdam I once drove a bakfiets (a transport bike) through a large Highway tunnel in Amsterdam and was justly stopped by Dutch Amsterdam police who thought I was insane. Are you 'suicidal' sir they asked me. It is prohibited and extremely dangerous to drive with your slow transport bike (bakfiets) Pieter How many kids were you carrying on board? |
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