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Post by venalinen on Jun 26, 2019 18:29:42 GMT 1
Пшеки...
Вы должны кормить хохлов.
А, если не слушаются, то пороть плетью.
Они это любят.
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Post by venalinen on Jun 26, 2019 18:40:06 GMT 1
Русские любили Поляков в 70-е.
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А сейчас они вас презирают.
Вернее сказать... смеются над польским ГОНОР-ом, ничем не подкрепленным.
Надеюсь, ты знаешь русский язык.
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 29, 2019 10:40:01 GMT 1
Русские любили Поляков в 70-е. ----- А сейчас они вас презирают. Вернее сказать... смеются над польским ГОНОР-ом, ничем не подкрепленным. Надеюсь, ты знаешь русский язык. Yes, I know the Russian language. But 95% world`s population don`t know it and this is an English speaking forum, so please use English. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 29, 2019 10:43:09 GMT 1
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Post by jeanne on May 21, 2020 20:48:10 GMT 1
Русские любили Поляков в 70-е. ----- А сейчас они вас презирают. Вернее сказать... смеются над польским ГОНОР-ом, ничем не подкрепленным. Надеюсь, ты знаешь русский язык. Yes, I know the Russian language. But 95% world`s population don`t know it and this is an English speaking forum, so please use English. I feel fortunate that my native language is English (American flavor), so that I can understand all the truly interesting and enlightening subjects covered on this forum! I don't think I'll be mastering the Polish language any time soon! |
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Post by pjotr on May 25, 2020 13:09:00 GMT 1
Jeanne,
I share your opinion with that distinction that my English is North West European, with a British English highschool and BBC education (subject English with text and oral exams, and a British English language teacher in the Netherlands, and two weeks of English summer course in Oxford, UK, 1989).
Today I read about Poland in the 3 West-Germanic languages English, Dutch and German and even learned something about Poland in the most German Germanic of the Yiddish dialects. Unfortunately after several attempts to master Polish I failed. Slavic and Germanic languages are 2 different worlds in the European languages world. French is more easy for me than Polish, while French is a difficult language for non-native French speakers as well.
Despite this all Polish will stay an intimate, close by and familiair language for me. My Polish nannies, Polish mother and Polish grandmother (babcia) spoke Polish to me when I was a baby, toddler and little child. That fact stayed with me, even though I forgot these moments, because I was to little.
The fact that I had Dutch, (British) English, German (Hochdeutsch) and French at highschool next to physics, chemistry, geography, biology, society class (social studies subject), trade micro economics (accountancy/bookkeeping subject), math and History (my favorite subject) left little space for Polish. Unfortunately my parents considered French more important than Polish (because the French speaking part of Belgium Wallonia, the French speaking Brussels area, France, the French speaking part of Switzerland, Quebec in Canada and the French speaking world -North Africa, parts of the Middle East, parts of ‘Black Africa’, Indochina and the French colonies in the Caribbean and South-America - French Guiana - and the French Islands on the Pacific Ocean).
French was seen by my parents as the language of civilization, sophistication, culture (Kultur like the German say, a Kultursprache), Le beau Monde (Fashionable Society), chancon, diplomacy (Corps diplomatique), the French style of the old European elites (who spoke French in the 19th and early 20th centuries -also in Poland 🇵🇱, Polish magnates, diplomats, schlachta people, intellectuals and businesss people and artists spoke French -not only Frédéric François Chopin with his French father-). So French replaced Polish in my teenage and early twenties years, but I never mastered French like I mastered English and German. English and German were communication languages for me in Poland and other European countries. I knew when I could use German and when I could not. In some countries you better not use German or Dutch, because they don’t like us. But in general in many European countries you can use British English of American English. It is a benefit to learn basic things about a language and a culture and history when you travel to a country.
I always avoid masses, mass tourism and always try to find the authentic culture in a country.
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by pjotr on May 25, 2020 13:51:44 GMT 1
Jeanne/Bo,
To make a distinction again. Germans and Dutch people are different, but in some European countries people don’t like Germans due to the Nazi past and the mental and physical scars that are still present there (ruins, bullet and shrapnel marks and monuments for executed resistance fighters, killed jews and civilians in reprisals). Dutch people are unwanted in some countries or feel hostility there, because of the lack of support from the Netherlands and sharp criticiism of the Dutch minister of Financial Affairs and the Dutch prime minister for the lack of Fiscal conservatism, cut backs and managing of the state depth by the Italians, Greeks, Portuguese and the Spanish.
Countries in Southern Europe, led by France, Spain, and Italy, have called for a common European response to the challenge—such as a massive “eurobond” underwritten by richer and less rich countries alike to better share the pain. Even Christine Lagarde, the head of the European Central Bank (ECB), has called for Europe to step up and do what it’s never done before. But countries in the North, led by Germany and the Netherlands, have balked at the idea of a eurobond, which they say is a nonstarter because it would mean their own taxpayers would be on the hook for countries they say have long lived beyond their means.
The stakes are huge. In the short term, many heavily indebted countries in Southern Europe have to deal with an economic collapse on a scale never before seen, with nearly all businesses shuttered by government order, while borrowing costs are higher than in richer countries like Germany, which limits those governments’ ability to respond to the crisis. In the longer term, what Southern Europeans see as a lack of solidarity from Germans and Dutch threatens to torpedo the entire notion of the European Union, which has been tottering since at least the last financial crisis.
Back to the topic. The Dutch bankers, government, diplomats, businesspeople, tourists, expat students, au pairs and soccer fans aren’t that respected, welcome and liked like in the past. The behavior of Dutch politicians, bankers, tourists, hooligans and others have irritated the Southerners. Like the Danes we can be to direct, blunt and critical. In other cultures you say things in a more indirect, polite and multi-facetted manner. You do not say it directly, but in 5 or 10 steps in a negotiation process. After a lot of diplomatic or business dinners, lunches, brunches in restaurants and beers, wines or whiskeys in a Grand café, bar or pub. The difference start at the Borders with Belgium 🇧🇪 in Flanders and Wallonia. Belgium is a Southern latin Romance (Romanesque) country with the influence of the Spanish Habsburg occupation in the past (and the inquisition in that) and the large (latin) French influence after that. The Dutch are Northern Protestant (Calvinist) direct and blunt, and the Belgians are Southern, Roman Catholic, latin culture, indirect. A culture of codes, connections, networks, thin lines, old and new interests, lobby groups, patronage, corporatism. The Belgian culture you could see as a merger of the French, Italian, Spanish and Austrian cultures. If you understand that you understand the Belgian mindset, culture and people. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Belgians. I know them well.
The Russian, Ukrainian and Polish mentalities and relationships with each other are difficult. A lot of old scars, old open wounds (that aren’t healed yet) and frictions. Ukrainians remember Ukrainians in the past and present that were killed by Russians. Roman Catholic Poles and jews remember Poles and jews that were killed by Ukrainians. Ukraine 🇺🇦 was often stuck between Poland 🇵🇱 and Russia 🇷🇺 in the Past. Poles are warry for Russian and Ukrainian tricks and threats. There is a Polish minority in Western Ukraine 🇺🇦 that is vulnerable for agression or violence by Ukrainian Ultra-nationalists (the Banderites).
Cheers,
Pieter
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 16, 2020 16:03:22 GMT 1
I feel fortunate that my native language is English (American flavor), so that I can understand all the truly interesting and enlightening subjects covered on this forum! Yet, you should feel unfortunate that your native language isn`t Polish. Then, you wouldn`t have to hang around the forum, but you would be able to find all the info in the Polish media. |
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Post by jeanne on Jun 19, 2020 0:08:03 GMT 1
I feel fortunate that my native language is English (American flavor), so that I can understand all the truly interesting and enlightening subjects covered on this forum! Yet, you should feel unfortunate that your native language isn`t Polish. Then, you wouldn`t have to hang around the forum, but you would be able to find all the info in the Polish media. But then I wouldn't have the satisfaction of having helped you hone your English-speaking skills!  And besides, this forum is way more interesting and entertaining than the Polish media...not that I'm an expert on the Polish media, since I can't understand or read the language, but I base my judgement on what I see of the U.S. media and assume other countries' media are similarly lacking! I could be wrong, but I doubt it...!  This opinion, of course,does not include Pieter's work in media...he is an wonderful exception! |
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